Clerk's office defies order; no same-sex marriage licenses

originally posted by: groingrinder
Step down if you cannot do your job!! Leave your opinions at home. You are not paid to have opinions.

Actually, it is usually people with opinions that challenge the status quo who move things forward.

However, in this case, she's using a 2000 book of questionable sources to form her opinions. Time to move into the 21st Century.

If she really objects to issuing marriage licenses to gays on religious grounds, she should refuse them for second marriages (Thou should not commit adultery) and for people with tattoos (Especially tattoos of religious symbols).

She should also expect that as a person who breaks the law by refusing to issue a license, and as a woman who is WORKING, she should be stoned to death.

All of this is supported by her religion.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Why should they apply to Abominations and Sexual deviants?

Actually she’s looking to cash in with the social media giving her money in the tradition of other tawdry people live George Zimmerman.


There are enough pockets of ignorance and bigotry to make this modern day John of Arc delusional person very rich$$$$

Shell become a martyr, and go on Fox news and make the ignorant bigot lecture circuit

shell be a George Zimmerman of the Church

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Annee

ya, and after they slam her, we can go years listening to how the poor christians are being persecuted and jailed for their beliefs....
we can't win, ya know that??

Well that's never going to end - - its part of the Christian mindset.

I know, I was raised Christian. Persecution to them is anything that doesn't agree with them.

In citing God, she is creating an establishment of religion in her office, clearly unconstitutional. She should resign, and if she won't, she should be removed.

Titus 3:1: Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

1 Peter 2:13-17: Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people. Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves. Show proper respect to everyone, love the family of believers, fear God, honor the ruler.

Romans 13: 1-3: Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.

This woman is not only NOT following her religion in general, she is in direct disobedience to the teachings of the Bible IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE.

Let's forget that in Biblical terms she's a three-time adulteress (eligible for stoning if you're Old School enough).

She is in disobedience to her religion and in contempt of American and Kentuckean (?) law

Rowan county authorities have handed it off to the Attorney General's office for charges.
www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com...

It is impossible to write a story about Kim Davis without someone - usually many someones - commenting that she should be fired. Davis is the Rowan County, Kentucky, clerk who stopped processing marriage licenses due to her "Christian" beliefs, after the Supreme Court legalized marriage equality. Firing seems the obvious thing to do. But Davis is an elected official, which means there is no supervisor with the power to terminate her employment.

“No authority exists for her removal or suspension from the office by Rowan County government,” explained County Attorney Cecil Watkins, “Kentucky State Government is the only entity that can move to have Kim Davis removed as Rowan County Clerk.”

On Thursday, the government of Rowan County took the first step down the road of having her removed. The City Attorney's Office referred official misconduct charges against Kim Davis to the State Attorney General, Jack Conway. Conway is a Democrat who refused to defend Kentucky's ban on same-sex marriage, so Davis is not likely to find a champion for her cause in the A.G.'s office.

I'm told there are a lot of politics at play here but don't have the entire story yet. Apparently there's a real split in the Democrat party in KY over this issue. The AG declined to defend KY's marriage act so the Governor, the son of a Southern Baptist preacher, hired outside counsel. The AG is currently running as the Democrat nominee for Governor. Some sort of internal party turmoil is afoot.

originally posted by: diggindirt
I'm told there are a lot of politics at play here but don't have the entire story yet. Apparently there's a real split in the Democrat party in KY over this issue. The AG declined to defend KY's marriage act so the Governor, the son of a Southern Baptist preacher, hired outside counsel. The AG is currently running as the Democrat nominee for Governor. Some sort of internal party turmoil is afoot.

Of course it's political. KY marriage law is no longer relevant here. The 14th amendment says that a state cannot make a law that applies to one set of citizens, but not another. They are guaranteed equal protection under the law.

Her lawyers are USING her for their anti-gay agenda.

Kim Davis Being Taken for a Ride by the Liberty Counsel

Founder and Chairman Mathew D. Staver has used Davis’ case to raise money and boost publicity for his group, going so far as to hold a rally for Davis.
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When a federal judge ordered Davis to issue licenses or be held in contempt of court, the Liberty Counsel advised her to disobey the ruling. Good lawyers don’t usually tell their clients to defy lawful court orders, especially when jail time is a real possibility. Yet the Liberty Counsel didn’t mind putting their client at risk—perhaps because the idea of a middle-aged woman being hauled off to jail for purportedly following her conscience would send thousands of anti-gay Americans reaching for their pitchforks (and checkbooks).
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More and more, it’s beginning to look like the Liberty Counsel is taking Davis for a ride, using her doomed case to promote itself and its extremist principles. Davis has certainly humiliated and degraded the gay couples whom she turned away. But I wonder if, on some level, she isn’t a victim, too.

edit on 9/2/2015 by Benevolent Heretic because: (no reason given)

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

As usual the law will be used specially the 14th amendment and will prevail, sadly is money and opportunity while this goes on as we know, the opportunist will cash in in the religious hysteria that the issue has become.

Why is so easy to see the deceptions here for us in ATS, but not for those that believe the opportunist, is our nation now showing the poor education in the country?.

Sometimes I wonder.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Ok. I wasn't aware of those laws. I've just been seeing a pattern of this emerging, and we both know if it weren't for those laws, that she would definitely benefit financially from this idiocy. Thanks for the information though.

Imagine a Muslim not wanting to serve pork or whiskey at a government event.

How soon would he be fired?


Christians are coddled in this country not persecuted

a reply to: Willtell

And then once he's fired, there would be a media storm about how Muslims want to change America into Sharia Law.

In Islam, not this stupid Wahhabi craziness, there is a strict Sharia law that in ones country that is not Islamic a Muslim IS OBLIGATED to follow those laws.


In this instance...the Western Christians...one cant go by these ancient old pre-modern scriptures in the Bible.

The Bible has direct orders in it BY GOD to rape, pillage, stone children and all kinds of ancient madness


So how could one use that as a law.

Now I personally don’t believe that is God ordering the Jews to rape and rob but some sinister people who wrote those versus just to justify their own crimes.

A simple solution, just hire more clerks. One for buddhist marriages, one for muslim, one for jewish, one for same gender and so on - everyone should be happy because they can all get what they want. In time, there'll be businesses for the buddhists, muslims, jewish etc and we would all get along just fine. It might appear like segregation but then again there are gaybars, then those should be banned too just like shops selling kosher food or halal etc, it's a natural consequence.

Not to mention religious institutes should also change. Christian Churches should have muslim and jewish services because they can't be allowed to only do business with Christians. Imagine a muslim demanding some grocery to sell them halal food because they have the right to buy food and the shop owner the obligation to provide this to customers, regardless of their beliefs.

Joking but we should all embrace our differences before we can accept them and learn how to tolerate those differences. The clerk in question shouldn't be fired but more clerks should be hired for all the different occasions.

originally posted by: Willtell
In Islam, not this stupid Wahhabi craziness, there is a strict Sharia law that in ones country that is not Islamic a Muslim IS OBLIGATED to follow those laws.

Pretty sure the bible and Jesus say to obey the laws of the land.

This anti-gay thing is Man picking and choosing.

originally posted by: johnnyjoe1979
A simple solution, just hire more clerks. One for buddhist marriages, one for muslim, one for jewish, one for same gender and so on - everyone should be happy because they can all get what they want. In time, there'll be businesses for the buddhists, muslims, jewish etc and we would all get along just fine. It might appear like segregation but then again there are gaybars, then those should be banned too just like shops selling kosher food or halal etc, it's a natural consequence.

Not to mention religious institutes should also change. Christian Churches should have muslim and jewish services because they can't be allowed to only do business with Christians. Imagine a muslim demanding some grocery to sell them halal food because they have the right to buy food and the shop owner the obligation to provide this to customers, regardless of their beliefs.

Joking but we should all embrace our differences before we can accept them and learn how to tolerate those differences. The clerk in question shouldn't be fired but more clerks should be hired for all the different occasions.

That sounds WAY too expensive and tedious. This lady gets paid with tax money. Therefore a gay person paying taxes has the RIGHT to be issued a marriage certificate by this lady. She should DEFINITELY be fired and not only that, jailed. You are just suggesting Segregation here.

Oh yeah, gay bars don't kick you out if you are straight. So just because they advertise their gay friendliness doesn't mean they discriminate against straight people.

originally posted by: johnnyjoe1979
A simple solution, just hire more clerks.

A simple solution is to follow the law.

We are a secular government. God's law/authority does not take priority. No matter what you believe.

And NO --- a gay bar can not refuse service because someone is straight. They can refuse service if person is being obnoxious and causing a scene.

I would like to see one change in the law when it comes to these things... all of the religious crazies wanting to be bigots to others should have to attend court to defend their imagined "right" to be a bigot, and they should be told to select a holy book. This book should then be used to assert whether that person is actually a devout follower of that faith, or whether they are picking and choosing what to follow in order to allow them to feel superior to others and abusing them.

So, this woman would arrive in court, she would pick her chosen book of faith, and her case would instantly be dismissed and the court would go against her based on the simple fact that she has been divorced THREE times.

This is not a "religious" woman holding fast to her faith. This is an ignorant bigoted woman using Christianity as an excuse to abuse people/make money/be a hateful cretin.

All we need is for courts to start taking action against those who want nothing more than to abuse other people using religion as an excuse. Unless these people are following all of their "instructions" in whatever chosen book of rubbish they want to follow, they should all be fired, fined, or whatever needs to be done to remove their ability to be such hateful bigots.

a reply to: Willtell

Imagine not wanting to serve a White Person, or someone because they are Religious, or someone because they are Republican, or someone because they have Guns.. or someone that had on a Confederate Flag shirt. how fast would that person get persecuted?

a reply to: Rocker2013

How about a simple "No means no" ---- like you say to a 4'year old?

The USSC made their decision. They are the "God" in our government.

My government "God" just beat up your "belief God" ---- deal with it.