Do women REALLY need Planned Parenthood?

a reply to: kellyjay

here's a better idea you accept what we currently have here, which is a system that seems to leave a heck of a lot of people out! and well, every little bit helps when it comes to those charity services out there.
even planned parenthood!

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: kellyjay

ya, probably because their clients are of higher stature in society....
with money and influence.

or theres no indication that anything untoward is going on....

The Indiana HIV "outbreak" was likely caused by drug abuse, not any lack of PP.

Four arrested on drug charges linked to Indiana HIV outbreak

Google: "" indiana hiv ""

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: kellyjay

here's a better idea you accept what we currently have here, which is a system that seems to leave a heck of a lot of people out! and well, every little bit helps when it comes to those charity services out there.
even planned parenthood!

ill agree that the current health system in the US is a diabolical mess ....

i wont however agree to stand behind an institution if it is found to be making profit by selling baby parts..nope

originally posted by: xuenchen
The Indiana HIV "outbreak" was likely caused by drug abuse, not any lack of PP.

Four arrested on drug charges linked to Indiana HIV outbreak

Google: "" indiana hiv ""

they took one story..."pp clinic closes down"...and took another story ..."aids outbreak" and tried to relate the two, when i asked for evidence of a direct link


nothing

thanks for the link

originally posted by: kellyjay
everyone keeps missing MY point here....im pro-choice, PP doing abortions doesnt bother me, my ONLY concern is what they are doing with these womens fetuses...which is why im for an invstigation..and if it turns out some clinics are selling baby parts, then defund those clinics...defund doesnt mean - shut down...they get funding from elswhere too


thats it! so please stop throwing all these different scenarios at me, my only interest is that they arent breaking the law

Ok, well to be fair just a page ago you're point was that it was being funded and you are pro-choice but still didn't like abortions and they did bother you. Now, it's not about the funding anymore and PP doing abortions doesn't bother you, you're pro-choice still, but your point now is that you're concerned about the fetus being sold. So it seems you're changing the conversation and your stance on things as your arguments get's shot down. But that's fine, because the new arguments make little difference.

I agree with you that if PP has done something illegal then they should be dealt with accordingly. However, there haven't been as of yet any proven instances of criminal activity. Just a whole lot of Moral outrage and over reactions to what was clearly a propaganda hit piece produced by Pro-Life activists who actually broke the law themselves in making their propaganda videos.

So, let's be honest. Nobody is saying let PP get away with criminal activity. If an investigation is warranted then fine. But let's keep our heads and our rationale in place and not let our moral and emotional outrage lose site of what is happening here.

BTW, it's not 1 down and 49 to go since not all 50 states have PP doing abortion related services. It's more like 1 down 4 to go.

a reply to: kellyjay

i wont however agree to stand behind an institution if it is found to be making profit by selling baby parts..nope

I'm sure Stemexpress will be heartbroken to learn that they haven't your support.



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originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: kellyjay
everyone keeps missing MY point here....im pro-choice, PP doing abortions doesnt bother me, my ONLY concern is what they are doing with these womens fetuses...which is why im for an invstigation..and if it turns out some clinics are selling baby parts, then defund those clinics...defund doesnt mean - shut down...they get funding from elswhere too


thats it! so please stop throwing all these different scenarios at me, my only interest is that they arent breaking the law

Ok, well to be fair just a page ago you're point was that it was being funded and you are pro-choice but still didn't like abortions and they did bother you. Now, it's not about the funding anymore and PP doing abortions doesn't bother you, you're pro-choice still, but your point now is that you're concerned about the fetus being sold. So it seems you're changing the conversation and your stance on things as your arguments get's shot down. But that's fine, because the new arguments make little difference.

I agree with you that if PP has done something illegal then they should be dealt with accordingly. However, there haven't been as of yet any proven instances of criminal activity. Just a whole lot of Moral outrage and over reactions to what was clearly a propaganda hit piece produced by Pro-Life activists who actually broke the law themselves in making their propaganda videos.

So, let's be honest. Nobody is saying let PP get away with criminal activity. If an investigation is warranted then fine. But let's keep our heads and our rationale in place and not let our moral and emotional outrage lose site of what is happening here.

BTW, it's not 1 down and 49 to go since not all 50 states have PP doing abortion related services. It's more like 1 down 4 to go.

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: kellyjay
everyone keeps missing MY point here....im pro-choice, PP doing abortions doesnt bother me, my ONLY concern is what they are doing with these womens fetuses...which is why im for an invstigation..and if it turns out some clinics are selling baby parts, then defund those clinics...defund doesnt mean - shut down...they get funding from elswhere too


thats it! so please stop throwing all these different scenarios at me, my only interest is that they arent breaking the law

Ok, well to be fair just a page ago you're point was that it was being funded and you are pro-choice but still didn't like abortions and they did bother you. Now, it's not about the funding anymore and PP doing abortions doesn't bother you, you're pro-choice still, but your point now is that you're concerned about the fetus being sold. So it seems you're changing the conversation and your stance on things as your arguments get's shot down. But that's fine, because the new arguments make little difference.

I agree with you that if PP has done something illegal then they should be dealt with accordingly. However, there haven't been as of yet any proven instances of criminal activity. Just a whole lot of Moral outrage and over reactions to what was clearly a propaganda hit piece produced by Pro-Life activists who actually broke the law themselves in making their propaganda videos.

So, let's be honest. Nobody is saying let PP get away with criminal activity. If an investigation is warranted then fine. But let's keep our heads and our rationale in place and not let our moral and emotional outrage lose site of what is happening here.

BTW, it's not 1 down and 49 to go since not all 50 states have PP doing abortion related services. It's more like 1 down 4 to go.

are you saying PP only have clinics that do abortion in 5 states?

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: kellyjay

i wont however agree to stand behind an institution if it is found to be making profit by selling baby parts..nope

I'm sure Stemexpress will be heartbroken to learn that they haven't your support.

stemexpress that are an affiliate of PP and who pay PP for tissue....im sure they will be gutted

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a reply to: kellyjay

stemexpress that are an affiliate of PP and who pay PP for tissue....im sure they will be gutted

Stemexpress is NOT an affiliate of Planned Parenthood. It's a for profit corporation that does business with Planned Parenthood affiliates.

StemExpress is a small life sciences company that supports leading research institutions in the United States and internationally—including medical schools, pharmaceutical companies, and federal agencies—to provide stem cells and other human tissue critical to medical research. Cells produced by the physicians, scientists, medical technicians and nurses at StemExpress are currently used in research globally aimed at finding cures and treatments for cancer, diabetes, HIV/AIDS, cardiac disease, and other significant medical conditions. StemExpress prides itself on complying with all laws. Written donor consent is required for any donation, including bone marrow, tissue of all types or blood.
stemexpress.com...

a reply to: kellyjay

they're not an affiliate, they make business transactions with each other.
and no, I doubt if they will be gutted since the ceo and founder of the business happens to be the sister of one of the top advisors (for health) of our republican speaker of the house.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: kellyjay

they're not an affiliate, they make business transactions with each other.
and no, I doubt if they will be gutted since t he ceo and found of the business happens to be the sister of one of the top advisors (for health) of our republican speaker of the house.

have you watched the new video with the stemexpress whistleblower? she talks about how her and others from stemexpress go to the PP clinics and carry out all of the necessary task like collecting the samples, preparing the samples and sending the samples off.....

so what exactly are stemexpress paying pp for? pp didnt have to do anything as their employees did it all....

oh this one is interesting!!!

Federal Officials Warn States Not to Defund Planned Parenthood
Officials in New Hampshire, Alabama, and Louisiana have announced plans to defund Planned Parenthood in the wake of a series of undercover videos from a pro-life group. But cutting that funding may violate federal law, reports The Wall Street Journal, since Medicaid beneficiaries can received services from “any qualified provider.” That includes Planned Parenthood, according to federal officials, who have warned states against cutting funds to the billion-dollar nonprofit.

www.christianitytoday.com...

a reply to: kellyjay

There is probably more companies than stem express in the business, but I can't say for sure. and well, maybe they don't do pick ups, don't know, heck maybe stemexpress doesn't do pick ups all the times either.

and no, I haven't found the times to watch the full however many hours video would take and I won't make any judgements on their sliced and diced cut versions.

a reply to: kellyjay

Don't believe everything you watch on YouTube.

so what exactly are stemexpress paying pp for? pp didnt have to do anything as their employees did it all....

Right. I'm sure that Stemexpress employees are right there in the OR catching fetuses as they come out!

oh another good little tidbit....

On August 10, 2015, a Los Angeles County Superior Court judge denied the Center for Medical Progress’s (CMP) motion to dissolve a temporary restraining order awarded to StemExpress on July 28. CMP has also refused to produce witnesses for depositions or respond to document requests previously ordered by the Court. StemExpress will continue to seek this discovery and pursue all legal remedies against CMP and its officers.

stemexpress.com...

gee if they are in the up and up....
why not cooperate with the judge???

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: kellyjay

Don't believe everything you watch on YouTube.

so what exactly are stemexpress paying pp for? pp didnt have to do anything as their employees did it all....

Right. I'm sure that Stemexpress employees are right there in the OR catching fetuses as they come out!

i think an employee who worked in the PP clinic is more reliable than the opinion of someone who wasnt there..mainly YOU.

so again if the stem girl was doing all the work with the tissue and shipping it out herself what were pp getting paid for??

let me put this one ot there, this is the transcript from one of the presidents of PP

Gatter: So that’s an interesting concept. Let me explain to you a little bit of
a problem, which may not be a big problem, if our usual technique is
suction, at 10 to 12 weeks, and we switch to using an IPAS or something
with less suction, and increase the odds that it will come out as an intact
specimen, then we’re kind of violating the protocol that says to the
patient,“We’re not doing anything different in our care of you.” Now to me,
that’s kind of a specious little argument and I wouldn’t object to asking Ian,
who’s our surgeon who does the cases, to use an IPAS at that gestational
age in order to increase the odds that he’s going to get an intact specimen,
but I do need to throw it out there as a concern. Because the patient is
TRANSCRIPT BY THE CENTER FOR MEDICAL PROGRESS
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signing something and we’re signing something saying that we’re not
changing anything with the way we’re managing you, just because we
agree to give tissue. You’ve heard that before.
Buyer: Yes. It’s touchy. How do you feel about that?
Gatter: I think they’re both totally appropriate techniques, there’s no difference in
pain involved, I don’t think the patients would care one iota. So yeah, I’m not
making a fuss about that.

source - www.centerformedicalprogress.org...


and the law

(A) in the case of tissue obtained pursuant to an induced abortion--
(i) the consent of the woman for the abortion was obtained prior to requesting or obtaining consent for a donation of the tissue for use in such research;
(ii) no alteration of the timing, method, or procedures used to terminate the pregnancy was made solely for the purposes of obtaining the tissue;

www.hhs.gov...

so shes quite happy to consult with the doctor to change the proceedure of the abortion to get more intact specimens even though shes aware that she shouldnt be doing it

anything to add?

a reply to: kellyjay

okay, here tell ya what....
first the use of the lab.....happen to know how much value that would be???
then there's a matter of well, was dear holly there waiting for the fetal tissue or did the tissue have to be stored briefly, happen to know for how long it was stored if it was, and how much hit would have cost planned parenthood???
and well, happen to know just how much was paid for the tissue??

you don't know???
neither do we!! we aren't experts, which is why there's all these investigations and what not.
what irks me is just how much damage is being done based on unsubstantiated crap!
we could at least wait till someone finds out the answers before we go hog wild and start stripping funding!