Do women REALLY need Planned Parenthood?

a reply to: kellyjay

I'm asking you because you inquired as to whether we "need" planned parenthood. Given that the defunding of PP would cause a HUGE jump in people being born into the welfare system, it seems a relevant question to ask. The way I see it, taking this increase into consideration, yes, we definitely NEED PP.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: kellyjay

I'm asking you because you inquired as to whether we "need" planned parenthood. Given that the defunding of PP would cause a HUGE jump in people being born into the welfare system, it seems a relevant question to ask. The way I see it, taking this increase into consideration, yes, we definitely NEED PP.

im sure if someone reall wanted an abortion they would get one elswhere...no woman that doesnt want to have a child will have a child just because her local PP clinic got defunded....remember they dont use government funds for abortion right? so everyone keeps reiterating

a reply to: kellyjay

You can always tell when someone lives in a larger population area or has never spent time in the western half of the U.S. Yeah, go ahead tell the people from Far norther Ca, Oregon, Idaho Utah,Montana, North and South Dakota, Wyoming Kansas etc. that they can go somewhere else. Most people in these states already have to travel hundreds of miles to get to a Planned Parenthood. Many have to travel out of state. And that's just for birth control, because they can't afford a Dr.s visit.

I am not a fan of abortion. I think it should be illegal after the first trimester. But planned parenthood provides many other services besides abortion. Sometimes a woman is forced to choose between the judgmental male Dr. who happens to be the only Dr in 50 miles or planned parenthood.

If there was another program in place that helped women with birth control, STD testing and annual exams, but didn't do abortions, would you be in support of that?

a reply to: kellyjay

How many times does it have to be said that abortion is only a very small part of what PP does?

The other health clinics are a lot smaller than PP - they have a hard time seeing the number of patients they have as it is. PP is much larger, has more staff, and can take more patients. Defunding them totally WILL make a difference - and not for the better.

a reply to: kellyjay

yep, and hopefully if they really want a pap smear, well, they will get one elsewhere, heck they might have to walk into the next town, but if they really want it, they'll make the walk!! after all we all must conform to their moral standards.....even if it means that women end up dying because they are being denied or blocked from services....

this coming from someone in a country, where all the people get whatever healthcare they need, no insurance hassles, no high premiums, no office visit fees to worry about....
just pay a portion of your income, and it's all given to you free of charge.......

a reply to: kaylaluv
if I am understanding it right, I think that many of the staff are volunteers also....
gee, oh ya, let's drive the cost of healthcare even higher!! replace planned parenthood with substitutes and they will have to hire more!! more job creation!! but also higher costs....

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: kellyjay

How many times does it have to be said that abortion is only a very small part of what PP does?

The other health clinics are a lot smaller than PP - they have a hard time seeing the number of patients they have as it is. PP is much larger, has more staff, and can take more patients. Defunding them totally WILL make a difference - and not for the better.

well if the number of aortions they do is sooo small then surely the other clinics can pick up the slack right?

everyone keeps missing MY point here....im pro-choice, PP doing abortions doesnt bother me, my ONLY concern is what they are doing with these womens fetuses...which is why im for an invstigation..and if it turns out some clinics are selling baby parts, then defund those clinics...defund doesnt mean - shut down...they get funding from elswhere too


thats it! so please stop throwing all these different scenarios at me, my only interest is that they arent breaking the law

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: kellyjay

yep, and hopefully if they really want a pap smear, well, they will get one elsewhere, heck they might have to walk into the next town, but if they really want it, they'll make the walk!! after all we all must conform to their moral standards.....even if it means that women end up dying because they are being denied or blocked from services....

this coming from someone in a country, where all the people get whatever healthcare they need, no insurance hassles, no high premiums, no office visit fees to worry about....
just pay a portion of your income, and it's all given to you free of charge.......






its not free if my wage is garnished each week is it?

a reply to: kellyjay

And we keep telling you that no PP clinic in the country receives funding for abortions (except in extreme cases). So defunding PP because of abortion issues is the wrong punishment. It will only hurt the OTHER services that PP provides. Why is this so hard for you to understand and accept?

a reply to: kellyjay

In part, you're right, people who really want or need one will get an abortion. Be it in a back-alley or with a coat hanger. I don't know if you are old enough to remember, but before abortion was legalized, there were thousands of horror stories resulting from getting an abortion "somewhere".

Regarding being taxpayer funded, that refers to FEDERAL taxes which is what they are threatening to pull. Federal tax dollars are prohibited from being used for abortions already, so all they are doing is preventing PP from being able to provide contraception and other services. Resulting in...you guessed it! Higher rates of unwanted pregnancies and STDs. Brilliant!!

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: kellyjay

And we keep telling you that no PP clinic in the country receives funding for abortions (except in extreme cases). So defunding PP because of abortion issues is the wrong punishment. It will only hurt the OTHER services that PP provides. Why is this so hard for you to understand and accept?

what part of they get other funding that can be used for those services is you dont get?

a reply to: mOjOm

yes im well aware of that, but abortion is legal and PP isnt the only place women can get them. like which has been echod also in this thread...PP only do a SMALL amount of abortions....so where are the other abortions being carried out? other clinics

a reply to: kellyjay
A third of their funding comes from the government. That is a significant amount.

Oh and here's the results of the first investigation from Indiana:
Indiana clears Planned Parenthood of wrongdoing after videos

The Indiana Department of Health said in a statement Thursday that an investigation found no evidence of any laws being broken. Health department inspectors investigated the Indiana facilities on July 21.

I imagine the others will be the same, so I guess all's well that ends well, huh?

a reply to: mOjOm

yeah one state down...just 49 to go

a reply to: kellyjay

well let's see, when I was working, after I had hurt my foot and was struggling to get the medical care I need, or even a diagnosis....
the state and local gov'ts were raising taxes and different fees so often it made my head ache....everytime, the reason given was they had to fund MEDICAID...
meanwhile, the federal gov't and state had their income taxes, and part of them was going to fund, WELFARE, MEDICARE, MEDICAID, CHIPS, grants for drug reasearch, grant for hospitals, grants for training medical staffs, grants for cancer research, and on and on.....
so, well, I'll tell ya what, I'd take you one time tax and get everything over my get taxed to oblivion and get nothing anyday of the week!!

a reply to: kellyjay

and just how in the world do you know that those others don't have their own little arrangements with companies like stemexpress??? heck, who knows, maybe they are flying under the radar and actually making a profit from their fetal tissue.

a reply to: dawnstar

i dont...but nobody is releasing videos claiming they are sooo....

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: kellyjay

well let's see, when I was working, after I had hurt my foot and was struggling to get the medical care I need, or even a diagnosis....
the state and local gov'ts were raising taxes and different fees so often it made my head ache....everytime, the reason given was they had to fund MEDICAID...
meanwhile, the federal gov't and state had their income taxes, and part of them was going to fund, WELFARE, MEDICARE, MEDICAID, CHIPS, grants for drug reasearch, grant for hospitals, grants for training medical staffs, grants for cancer research, and on and on.....
so, well, I'll tell ya what, I'd take you one time tax and get everything over my get taxed to oblivion and get nothing anyday of the week!!

then move to the UK or stop voting in presidents that do nothing

a reply to: kellyjay

ya, probably because their clients are of higher stature in society....
with money and influence.