PP - injecting minced baby brains into mice, growing fetuses outside wombs, etc.

a reply to: boymonkey74
Don't put words in my mouth and obviously you have lower morals than me

a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

It was a mistake driving her to the clinic but she didn't have anybody and I didnt want her splitting open or getting a DUI on the way home, I still have a soul.

originally posted by: noonebutme

originally posted by: grandmakdw

Agreed. (that ethics are so passe)

Who needs them,
most of you seem to think
society would be much better
off without those bothersome
ethics.

I also agree. This is the 21st Century and your use of ethics is outdated.

...

Thank you for clarifying for me what I suspected about the ethics
and moral stance of pro-abortionists (pro-choice)
You said exactly what I have observed, that the pro-choice
people feel ethics are outdated,
and society would be better off without bothersome ethics.

I hope when you get old that society won't have decided
that if you are over 65 and need surgery, it is against
societies benefit to give you the surgery or treatment.
That this becomes the societal standard and the ethics
of the day. Because by the time you are old, society
will be forced to pay back all the borrowed money and
debt and will be like Greece and have to make severe
cutbacks and make hard choices about what a country
can and can not afford.
Society at the point will not be able to afford to care
for societies non-working or contributing members,
it is coming.
Once single payer in entrenched, then the government
will decide who gets treatment and who does not,
and trust me when you are old, it won't be you.
There are many in congress who would like to
do away with treatment or surgery for anyone who
is old and doesn't contribute to society. That is rapidly
becoming the other end of life value,
which we place on the 24+ week old infant of today.

Ethics and morality shift rapidly and wildly,
it was ethical in the eyes of the National Socialists
to euthanize people they felt were detrimental
to their society and to make society better.

That is what happens when a society no longer
feels ethics or morals are necessary and only
a hindrance to progress or progressivism.

Deciding that ethics are a hindrance to
progress can and will lead to some things
that only belong in dystopian movies.

a reply to: Gryphon66

I offered to raise the kid myself. There was a point that I had no qualms about abortion before the pineal gland and '___' were formed because Hindu's don't believe the body has a soul until somewhere in the 40th day and if we do have a 3rd minds eye it starts there. As a Christian Catholic what I did was wrong in the first place but she could have spared me some mental anguish by doing it a week or two before my personal beliefs made me 100% sure to keep it.

I know it's so f*cking greedy of me to want to keep my own kid. As well as improve the life of a female with no family who's made even worse choices and welcome her into mine.

@MOD please merge

originally posted by: Swing80s
a reply to: Aloysius the Gaul

It was a mistake driving her to the clinic but she didn't have anybody and I didnt want her splitting open or getting a DUI on the way home, I still have a soul.

good for you - but at that point you have made an acceptance of her decision - live with it.

a reply to: Gryphon66

The woman does have "say" over what happens to their fetuses: they donate them for medical research.

speaking of false narratives. i never said they didn't have the right to their (insert name here). i said i would think that the woman would have more right to the (insert name here) than PP. i did not make a statement on "waivers" or their effects on the (insert name here).

ETA: Just out of curiosity, you're not a "law lover" ... what are you, an anarchist? These "laws" that you apparently don't "love" are what protects both women and real actual small humans from harm. I'm sure you want to be able to do what you want when you want or perhaps whenever the "spirit" moves you, right?

as i am not a follower of any religion, christianity included [] so your logically invalid ad hominem reverse "argument from authority" says alot about you as a "human" as well as much more. IN MY OPINION you are so vehement on this because i believe YOU ARE A WOMAN WHO REGRETS HAVING HER ABORTION! i would also go out on a limb and say i believe the father of that child talked you into doing it.

but to answer your question....... no i am not a law lover. not biblical law that says kill homosexuals. not sharia law which says a woman is a mans property.

not united states law which says it's ok for one group of people (a corporation) to cooperate with the government (bribe) so they can "legally" "improve their design" (sell you junk) so they can "grow the economy" (relocate wealth to the rich and powerful) and that they try to tell me it's "trickle down economics" (HEY! IDIOT! LOOK WHAT I JUST DID HA!)

i don't love the law, or it's thugs, like the deputy who has been called out by my neighbor for what was 13 starving dogs next door. who proceeded to come by trying to snoop around MY house, all the while telling me there is "nothing he could do"..... i then watch this POS drive down to the abusers house, and tell him that my neighbor is the one who called them on him! he didn't even look at the full grown (granted their growth was stunted by malnutrition) labradors that were 3 inches thick at the hip sniffing at him.... nor did he question the smell of death on the wind. several months later as i got a ride from the abuser (on my 13 mile bycicle ride home from work at the time) he made the statement to me that my "neighbor is trying to get himself killed"
bravo LAW enforcement. i could go on about the chief of police AND the sheriff being indicted on federal charges......i would tell you to google it, but apparently there are many chiefs of police and sheriffs in my state under investigation (you don't say)..... i would like to be investigated by the people who told me to do what i did as well. (what about you?)

i don't love the us government whose "law" can be twisted enough to justify the battle of blair mountain in which martial law was enforced illegally, i might add as all property was not federally owned on oppressed people trying to stop child abuse and other human rights violations resulting from the "legal" relationship between corporations and the us government.

again, no i don't love the law, or the government that can murder 129,000 civillians that include women and children

or any government, or it's law that says ok to infect your own citizens with syphilis without their knowledge

i don't love the law which thinks it has the right to perpetrate ruby ridge, or the waco siege on men, women, and children.... whom it purports "to serve and protect"

in fact, i despise a government, and those who support it, that can say it is legal to kill it's own citizens with drone strikes

that's not what we call civilized society

ETA: oh, and out of curiosity, why did you deflect my questioning of your reason behind bringing up state recording laws? what are you.... a hypocrite?

feel free to justify why you so zealously.... and blindly, worship this falliable thing (due to human error) you call law/science/ human "because-i-said-so". and before you try another illogical tactic from that last scentence...... i have 2 bachelors, one in psychology, and the other in physical science. yeah, i love science too.

i still hate to tell you (not) that the nanosecond mitosis begins, that is an independant, living, organism.... evidenced by it's ability to survive outside the womb in your holy grail of a controlled petri dish

i suspect we will hear crickets from your general direction..... but if you must, be my guest.

a reply to: Swing80s

Maybe she didn't want your child?.
Sucks I know but it is her decision.
You can not force a woman to carry a child.

a reply to: fixitwcw

in fact. i despise any organization, or individual that could do, or condone the things "our government" has done.

in fact i would consider them the mortal enemies of every man, woman, and child on earth.

i look forward to meeting "your kind" on the field

a reply to: boymonkey74
sucks, i know.
you cannot force anyone to do anything, but die, and even then "it's a gamble"

a reply to: fixitwcw

Then why are some attempting to control women and what they do with their bodies then?.
I see bleating but no solutions.
Education is the start.

a reply to: fixitwcw

No.

a reply to: Swing80s

You seem to think of a child as a mere possession, and yourself as some sort of grand prize for your "female."

No, I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't jump at the chance to raise a child with you.

a reply to: boymonkey74

honestly, i believe it's the religions we have today.... which wouldn't last a few generations with the RIGHT KIND of education...... too bad we aren't going to see it dished out in any american public school. not enough room for it after POLITICAL CORRECTNESS. somethings gotta give.... and since public opinion can be swayed by a fairy on the island of ryuku chanting moses' spells from the re-constituted, parallel universe where fukishima caused a singularity to eat all the ramen noodles on earth..........

i am guessing we are waiting in vain.

a reply to: Gryphon66
well, i will take your word for it then. we all know you can't prove it.
but sincerely...... if i was wrong, i apologize for the lapse in my insight.

but i still wish you to dispute me in a logical manner on the other points.

please?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Swing80s

You seem to think of a child as a mere possession, and yourself as some sort of grand prize for your "female."

No, I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't jump at the chance to raise a child with you.

even i can pat you on the back for that banter. from the isle? you ever heard of allington castle?

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Gryphon66

I know, I know - as a woman, I have no right using this thing in my head called a brain. I'm a sinner for sure!

Sinner or not (if you are join the club) please keep on posting the thoughts of that very talented mind. Not all men are control freaks.

As another one of those sinner women, I truly wish men would realize that woman do have minds and valid contributions to make. It scares me that we are sliding into the world of The Handmaid's Tale where women are to relegated to baby breeders. (steps down from soapbox)

To me, the real question is, who the hell has PP ticked off? Someone has a serious agenda here, 6 under cover videos now, and probably more to come. There has to be a financial backer with a lot of cash to spend. Why? Is it about causing more division and polarization over hot button issues? Does someone believe there will be a GOP sweep of the presidency, house and senate and Roe vs. Wade will be overturned? Is it an effort to totally defund PP and all the birth control services they also provide and health care for lower income women?

While we're all so busy arguing about prolife/prochoice, but what's the bigger picture that we're being distracted from seeing? Who is really behind it all and WHY?

a reply to: Swing80s

I have lower morals? I doubt that tbh you sound like a control freak.
Makes me laugh when people attempt to call out my morals when I do what I do for a living.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: fixitwcw

Then why are some attempting to control women and what they do with their bodies then?.
I see bleating but no solutions.
Education is the start.

Thank you. You get it. NO woman should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term, whether from rape, incest, or just...an accident. Yes, I do realize that there is a life lost after an abortion, but it is not MY right or anyone else's right to judge or prevent a woman from making the decision to carry to term or not.

a reply to: Swing80s

i am so sorry that you have that burden to bare for trying to do the right thing. we all have rightful burdens that turn into lessons over time. find solace in the fact that you are far from the worst with such a heart and that the universe does not waste anything.... including the time you have for experiences. you must remember that same universe put you here to begin with and it is far more wise than any human intellect i have experienced. you did exactly what you were put here to do, nothing more, nothing less. if this is an imperfect world (seems like it sometimes doesn't it?), and "god/universe" has better ones (look up at the stars at night.... it does by pure statistics alone) how do you know you didn't do what you were meant to do and send (insert name here) to a "better place"? energy cannot be created or destroyed in this universe my friend....... and life force is energy if i ever saw it. don't know much more..... but you don't even have the slightest clue what you did that night, and neither does anyone else. so f em cause i see wisdom and the truth in you.

a reply to: Cheddarhead

It's a corporate takeover.

Somebody wants the money.