PP - injecting minced baby brains into mice, growing fetuses outside wombs, etc.

do you think that if these mothers knew, they would opt to not donote the tissues, or do you believe that they will opt not to have the abortion????
it seems to me that most seem to be wanting to use this to abortions and limit access to them than wants to say much of anything against the companies actually doing the research!

a reply to: grandmakdw

Yes, I am. I'm a realist.

Also, re-read what you're writing. The "living" brain being "injected". That isn't possible.

It's glial cells being injected -- that is NOT the same thing as what you're trying to emotionally charge your postings with. You're trying to imply a whole, live, human brain is being inserted (I think you're trying to imply "implanted") into a mouse and presto! We have MouseBoy.

Nope. Not even close. I score you 3/10 for your attempt at distorting the facts.

a reply to: noonebutme

my favorite one is the mouse with the ear growing out it's side.....
poor little mouse!! but na, no mention of just how inhumane that is to the poor thing.

originally posted by: noonebutme
a reply to: grandmakdw

Yes, I am. I'm a realist.

Also, re-read what you're writing. The "living" brain being "injected". That isn't possible.

It's glial cells being injected -- that is NOT the same thing as what you're trying to emotionally charge your postings with. You're trying to imply a whole, live, human brain is being inserted (I think you're trying to imply "implanted") into a mouse and presto! We have MouseBoy.

Nope. Not even close. I score you 3/10 for your attempt at distorting the facts.

The glial cells develop into human like brains.
That is the entire purpose of the research.
They need human brains to do the research.
They get the human brains by taking the glial cels from the aborted fetus
and injecting them into the mouse or monkey fetus and grow what is
essentially a human brain.
The brain would be worthless to them if it grew into a mouse or monkey brain,
they want a human brain, without the needless ethics
of using a live human for the research.

Ethics are really so passe.

Who needs them,
most of you seem to think
society would be much better
off without those bothersome
ethics.

Let me see, oh yes there was a group of socialists
in the past who thought the same thing,
ethics toward human beings, needless and
so bothersome. They were called National Socialists
and produced an enormous amount of human
research.

originally posted by: dawnstar
do you think that if these mothers knew, they would opt to not donote the tissues, or do you believe that they will opt not to have the abortion????
it seems to me that most seem to be wanting to use this to abortions and limit access to them than wants to say much of anything against the companies actually doing the research!

I would hope that for the 16-23 week old fetus they would demand
ethical treatment for the body and humane treatment of the body,
even while alive in the womb. For example, pain medication before
dismemberment or crushing the skull. And respectful treatment of
the body after being killed in the womb.

After the 24th week I would hope that the woman would agree
to give the baby a chance to live, since abortion is no easier
on the body then having a live birth at that point.

a reply to: dawnstar

I could never sneak up on that bugger amazing hearing that one.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: dawnstar

I could never sneak up on that bugger amazing hearing that one.

Glad you find all of this so amusing and are so blase, so cool, so hip,
so ethics free, so morality free.

Bet you would have just thought Joseph Mengele was the best researcher
around. I'm sure you would have been one of his greatest supporters,
since ethics are just meaningless and hilarious to you.

Great jokes about ninja turtles, Joseph would have just loved that one.

Wouldn't it be hysterical if when you died, since you must be an organ
donor with your stand on modern research, your glial cells were
and implanted into an animal and developed into a brain that might
still have some of your memories, experiences, and your "self"; absolutely
too funny for words! Glad you are so supportive of this type of research.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Oh please spare me that bleeding heart.
If you lot spent half the energy you waste bleating against womens rights and helped kids who need help now there wouldn't be unwanted kids.
You are painting a picture that isnt true and you know it then compare anyone who understands this situation as Nazi's.
Pfft.
So keep demonising women and their right to choose.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: grandmakdw

Oh please spare me that bleeding heart.
If you lot spent half the energy you waste bleating against womens rights and helped kids who need help now there wouldn't be unwanted kids.
You are painting a picture that isnt true and you know it then compare anyone who understands this situation as Nazi's.
Pfft.
So keep demonising women and their right to choose.

Sonny boy, I am for women's rights.

I was a bra burner before your mother was born most likely.

However, one persons rights stop at the door of when their "rights" harm
other people.

I am not demonizing the right to "choose", especially before 12-15 weeks.

I am demonizing the "right to kill" after 24 weeks (of which 9,000 are done each year)

I am demonizing the inhuman treatment of
the 16-23 week old dead body.
Treating it as a commodity.

New video out today, I'm sure there will
be a thread on it, that shows a PP worker
telling how many women did NOT sign
consent forms.

Treating it as a joke, in your case.
When you treat tiny little lives as a joke
you are being as compassionate as Mengele.
The comparison is just and right when you
feel free to make jokes about the inhuman
treatment of the 16-23 week old tiny human body.

The 16-23 week old tiny human body
deserves the same respect and dignity
as the adult body from whom organs
are harvested.

The 16-23 week old tiny human
deserves to be pain free when
being killed in the womb by being
torn limb from limb or having it's skull
crushed.

I believe that human beings deserve dignity.

I believe that my rights stop when they trample
on the rights of another human being.

You obviously don't believe that the human body deserves
dignity and that humans who can feel pain deserve to
be pain free while being killed and harvested;
nor do you appear to believe that
one human's rights stop at the door of pain and suffering inflicted on another human being.

a reply to: grandmakdw

hmmm,.......I still owe a considerable amount of money for the burial expense of my husband......wasn't anything fancy, and well, the burial spot was free since he was a vet, but well, no money coming in so ain't much going out and what is is going to keeping me alive.....

as far as what you say about it being just as dangerous to abort than it is to give birth, I would have to do too much research into it to validate your claim....

I just know that in countries where there's strict laws on abortion, well, women seem to die.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

and there's seems to be very little logic behind their deaths.

and well, maybe I am wrong, but is it a law that prohibits them from giving pain medication to a fetus before the abort?? I seem to remember reading about legislation that if I remember right would allow it to be given..???

a reply to: grandmakdw

and if the rights of the fetus happen to trample over the rights of the mother???

are you aware that there are many women in the states now that are being forced to have c-sections, for the sake of the baby of course!!!

it's insane what's going on.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: grandmakdw

hmmm,.......I still owe a considerable amount of money for the burial expense of my husband......wasn't anything fancy, and well, the burial spot was free since he was a vet, but well, no money coming in so ain't much going out and what is is going to keeping me alive.....

as far as what you say about it being just as dangerous to abort than it is to give birth, I would have to do too much research into it to validate your claim....

I just know that in countries where there's strict laws on abortion, well, women seem to die.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

and there's seems to be very little logic behind their deaths.

and well, maybe I am wrong, but is it a law that prohibits them from giving pain medication to a fetus before the abort?? I seem to remember reading about legislation that if I remember right would allow it to be given..???

When you do your research, I am talking about abortion after the 24th week.
In that case they normally kill the fetus,
then either induce labor and the mother "expells"
(ie gives birth) the fetus, or they do an emergency c-section.
I have done the research and that is how abortion
after 24 weeks is done, however, sometimes
they insert a tool first to cut the arms and legs off (without anesthesia)
before the mother expells to make the expelling faster.
But the mother still has the fetus arrive via the birth canal
even when it is cut up, and leftover body parts are removed if they are not expelled.

There should be a law requiring anesthesia
for the 16+ old fetus,
but it costs money which is why the
abortion providers are against it.
It would cost them more to abort to be humane to the fetus who feels pain.

It is my contention that after the 24th week,
both lives are equal and both can be given a chance to live.
The right of the Mother does not supersede
the right of the baby
if the baby can be born alive and given a chance to live,
even if the baby is induced at 24 weeks
or a c-section done at 24 weeks to save the life of the mother.

It is my contention that the 16-24 week old fetus is a person,
who deserves to be treated humanely and with dignity.
IF the mother MUST abort to save her life,
or if the fetus is so deformed it will not survive if born (ie anencephalic etc.)
then the fetus should be accorded dignity and respect
and given pain medication before being crushed or dismembered,
and the body should not be treated as a parts factory,
but with the same respect given to an adult organ donor.

However, it appears that many on this thread
(I am not saying you) do not agree
with me that the 16+ week old fetus deserves to be
treated with respect or with dignity
as one would an adult organ donor.

a reply to: dawnstar

Defying doctors' advice can even lead to criminal prosecution, as Melissa Rowland discovered last year. While pregnant with twins, the 28-year-old Utah mom initially declined a recommended c-section, even though doctors warned that without it her babies might die due to low levels of amniotic fluid and other problems. Several days later, on January 13, 2004, she changed her mind and had the operation. Her daughter, Hannah, survived after treatment with oxygen and antibiotics, but a twin boy was stillborn. Contending that the initial refusal caused his death, prosecutors charged Rowland with first-degree murder. After spending three months in jail, she accepted a deal in which the murder charge was dismissed in return for her guilty plea to two counts of child endangerment (unrelated to her c-section refusal). She's now free, and serving 18 months of probation.

www.advocatesforpregnantwomen.org...

Wait, am I in the right place?

Is this ATS or a really cruddy episode of Mystery Science Theatre 3000?

Sweet random chance!

I've heard a lot of absolute absurdities uttered by arrogant gasbags in my time, but some of the stuff here takes the cake.

I don't ... I can't ... I ... I ...

Hmmm.

originally posted by: grandmakdw

Ethics are really so passe.

Agreed.

Who needs them,
most of you seem to think
society would be much better
off without those bothersome
ethics.

I also agree. This is the 21st Century and your use of ethics is outdated.

Let me see, oh yes there was a group of socialists
in the past who thought the same thing,
ethics toward human beings, needless and
so bothersome. They were called National Socialists
and produced an enormous amount of human
research.

I was wondering when you'd stoop to pulling the Nazi card.

I dont agree with what the Nazis did. I don;t agree with murder for the benefit of others.

BUT...

I do not see abortion as murder. Period. Therefore I have no ethical or moral dilemma. My ethics and morality come from society and the current times.

Not from some farcical religious tome or "spiritual superiority".

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Wait, am I in the right place?

Is this ATS or a really cruddy episode of Mystery Science Theatre 3000?

Sweet random chance!

I've heard a lot of absolute absurdities uttered by arrogant gasbags in my time, but some of the stuff here takes the cake.

I don't ... I can't ... I ... I ...

Hmmm.

Do you really not know how to make an intelligent contribution to the thread?

Seems most of your posts are like this one, snarky, rude, condescending.

I have yet to see you make a real and cogent and articulate and intelligent contribution to a thread.

If you think, as you claim all the posts are gasbags, why on earth are you wasting your time reading and commenting?

Honestly,
you have nothing to say about the topic at hand,
just snark and quip and put people down
with the same old snark and quips every stupid thread.

Do you have any intelligent contribution to make at all
about the use of human glial cells
being injected into mice or monkey's
to develop into human brains
to be used for research?
The morality of it?
The use of aborted fetal cells
to accomplish the growth of
human brains in mice and monkeys?

Anything cogent and intelligent beyond snark and snipe?
Or do you think ethics are needless as one poster said
and the entire argument is irrelevant because
you don't believe a 16+ week old fetus is a person who deserves
to be treated with dignity.

If you think ethics are a needless waste of time when it comes
to abortion, then say so, don't just put people down for the fun
of it. It doesn't make you look smart, just like someone who
has to put others down to make himself look smart. When in
reality it does the opposite.

originally posted by: grandmakdw

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: dawnstar

I could never sneak up on that bugger amazing hearing that one.

Glad you find all of this so amusing and are so blase, so cool, so hip,
so ethics free, so morality free.

Bet you would have just thought Joseph Mengele was the best researcher
around. I'm sure you would have been one of his greatest supporters,
since ethics are just meaningless and hilarious to you.

Great jokes about ninja turtles, Joseph would have just loved that one.

Wouldn't it be hysterical if when you died, since you must be an organ
donor with your stand on modern research, your glial cells were
and implanted into an animal and developed into a brain that might
still have some of your memories, experiences, and your "self"; absolutely
too funny for words! Glad you are so supportive of this type of research.

that's a possibility, i have been doing a lot of reading on this subject, like hybrids, and what makes one think only dead babies are donated to labs?

Being used like lab animals, think it is not possible?

Who would have thought they would have been implanting fetal hearts in rats, but they are, and they need your corporation and acceptance , and the government is involved in this, imagine in your wildest dreams what they are up to.

A heart that once beat in the breast of a baby in its mothers womb, in the breast of a rat.

What kind of sick SOB could do this ?

originally posted by: grandmakdw

Do you have any intelligent contribution to make at all
about the use of human glial cells
being injected into mice or monkey's
to develop into human brains
to be used for research?

"to develop into human brains".

To.Develop.Into.Human.Brains.

Human glial cells..injected into a animals... to develop... into human.. brains.

I am almost tempted to bin ATS for good. I have read some profoundly DUMB things but wow. Just...wow.

a reply to: grandmakdw

Insults grandma? Really? I didn't address you, why are you addressing me?

But honestly, your estimate of my intelligence is ... there is no word in English for how unimportant I find that to be.

I have no interest in your evaluations of my posts or my person.

You had agreed previously that we would ignore each other; I see that not only are you dishonest in your posts, and I do mean EVERY POST YOU MAKE, you don't even know how to keep an agreement.

I am unsurprised though.

Please, keep your insane fringe imaginings to yourself in regard to me. I do not welcome responses from you either in the general forums or in private messages.

Posting paragraph after paragraph about another poster is against T&C.

If you continue to do so, I'll be forced to alert your posts.

Best.

a reply to: grandmakdw

There should be a law requiring anesthesia
for the 16+ old fetus,
but it costs money which is why the
abortion providers are against it.

Most doctors who perform late term abortions do offer anesthesia for the fetus. But, it costs the patient extra, insurance won't cover it and lawmakers won't vote to make a law.