U.S. Marshals Raid Wrong Apartment, Force Mother and Children to Stand Outside Naked at Gunpoint

a reply to: diggindirt

As a mailman, I have to admit that finding certain apartments is difficult. But then again, I'm only delivering mail. They're delivering warrants. I manage to find the right apartments. They should be able to find ten also.

Am I smarter than a U.S. Marshall?

a reply to: infolurker

Insane behavior that has been tolerated for to long. Now they feel entitled to be enforcers, and not peace officers.

But... Why was the entire family naked?!?!

a reply to: alienjuggalo

Everyone was naked because it was 6:30 am and they were still asleep.

The source story is here.

I want to see the idiot officer who had his thumb over the peephole, yet still missed the gold letter 2-0-1 right above it...

a reply to: Bedlam

The daughter didn't answer the door, it was kicked in. The daughter also had *some* clothes on, most likely just underwear. The mother was naked.

It was 6:30 AM and they were still asleep.

a reply to: infolurker

Everyone won't understand, because your naive list lacks an understanding of the criminal element.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
I'm sure that none of you who are unforgiving towards this mistake, have ever made a mistake themselves at work.

Mistakes happen. Demanding zero tollerance for simple mistakes is a good way to make sure nobody ever wants to be a LEO ever again.

Sorry buddy but this argument doesn't hold water. There are some professions, like an airport flight control operator, that have ZERO tolerance for mistakes. Like one and you are on the street, never working in that profession again.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Sorry buddy but this argument doesn't hold water. There are some professions, like an airport flight control operator, that have ZERO tolerance for mistakes. Like one and you are on the street, never working in that profession again.

A flight controller that messes up kills a whole bunch of people. The police raiding the wrong house just causes some property damage. I'm not saying we shouldn't try to lower mistakes, they happen much too frequently but I think we should accept some level of error because no one is perfect all of the time.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
I'm sure that none of you who are unforgiving towards this mistake, have ever made a mistake themselves at work.

Mistakes happen. Demanding zero tollerance for simple mistakes is a good way to make sure nobody ever wants to be a LEO ever again.

If I make a mistake at work that puts people's lives in danger, I would be fired at the least, and my company may press charges on me. You must be one of those pigs, how can you justify a mistake like that? It is pure incompetence. They should all be fired, not one of them read the door number? Wtf?

a reply to: Aazadan

Police messing up have resulted in killing people too. Luckily this time it didn't happen, but it's not like such a thing is unheard of. There needs to be some accountability for this. There is no excuse to force an innocent family to stand outside naked while you conduct a raid that turns out should have occurred two doors down (which likely resulted in the ACTUAL perp getting away due to all the noise).

Any professional operation involving guns and explosives like a police raid should have a VERY low threshold for mistakes.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

That's not true. They can and do make mistakes. It takes several years to fully train a controller so they do have chances, depending on the severity, to make mistakes. Often times if they do make a non lethal mistake, they are simply put through some training again or suspended to teach them a lesson.

In this case, I see some officers being put on administration duty for a while.

a reply to: infolurker

Why were they naked?

Maybe it'll say in the article. I'll check it out.

Rebel 5

a reply to: Aazadan

Except someone breaks in my door, I'm reaching for my shotgun. People do get hurt and killed during these mistakes.

a reply to: infolurker

Isn't that sort of what Americans did to innocent civilians in Iraq, for example, during wartime? It almost sounds like a war/invasion type of scenario.

Just the beginning, perhaps?

Happened to me except I was not home. Guys they wanted lived next door. They were surrounding my place, I walked up after work to see them ready to go in (all CIA agents). I walked up behind one and said "I don't think that's the apartment you want. The duplex next door is probably the one you want." The dudes that lived there were worthless vagrants.. even dug into the ground to steal power from my apartment. Agent said "You live here?" I said "Yes.. my name is blahblah etc." The immediately left my place, and went to the correct address.

So.. it happens. But it is surprising their intel is so bad that they even sometimes get the entire wrong home. They should know exactly where they need to be before they go in.

originally posted by: rollanotherone
a reply to: Aazadan

Except someone breaks in my door, I'm reaching for my shotgun. People do get hurt and killed during these mistakes.

They do, but it tends to be the exception. The death rate per mistake is fairly low. There's certainly room for improvement, not the least of which is the fact that there's far better alternatives to these raids but if we're going to conduct them I don't think zero tolerance for errors should be the goal, zero tolerance for anything rarely improves the situation. Instead we should probably be looking into why they got the wrong address and trying to fix it. Like I said before, the mailman gets the right address almost every single time just using the numbers and address label on a letter. I would expect police that can scout the area, check maps, check and double check the numbers, plan the raid after checking, and have multiple people go over the plans to be sure they're accurate would have a lower error rate, but they don't. That says the police need more oversight.

All a zero tolerance policy will do however is cause warrants to mysteriously change to reflect the wrong address as people look to cover themselves.

The government has fooled you guys into thinking these are accidents, they are actually just performing 2 for 1's.

Where are the statist boot lickers to defend these animals ( marshals ) hmm ?

What can they possibly say ?

You know the end is nye when incidents like this are the every day norm.

a reply to: infolurker

Be honest i don't think it was a mistake- They are well aware it gets in the news. Its called gangsta thuggery and terrorism

a reply to: MALBOSIA

I'm sure that none of you who are unforgiving towards this mistake, have ever made a mistake themselves at work.

Mistakes like can and have cost people their lives.

Mistakes happen. Demanding zero tollerance for simple mistakes is a good way to make sure nobody ever wants to be a LEO ever again.

Police must be held to a far higher standard than the general public. If someone goofs up your hamburger order, while annoying, does not have the potential to end with an innocent person being DEAD. We have given them the weapons and authority to kill people if need be. The least we should expect is that they can read a friggin house number.

Perhaps it will deter the wrong TYPE of people from wanting to become LEOs.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
I'm sure that none of you who are unforgiving towards this mistake, have ever made a mistake themselves at work.

Mistakes happen. Demanding zero tollerance for simple mistakes is a good way to make sure nobody ever wants to be a LEO ever again.

Sorry buddy but this argument doesn't hold water. There are some professions, like an airport flight control operator, that have ZERO tolerance for mistakes. Like one and you are on the street, never working in that profession again.

Air traffic controllers make a lot more than police officers. If you paid a cop 120 thousand a year and told them if they made a mistake, they would never find work in that industry... you wouldnt see nearly as many mistakes.

This problem with police evolved to where it is today. If it was nippped in the bud 60 years ago and given the same standards as we expect from air traffic controllers today, we would have a much more reliable police force. But here we are. Nobody did anything about and now we are shaking our heads wondering why they get away with being so stupid. Well, if you were to draw up guidlines for LEO today that were as strict as others that could cost lives, half the police in North America would be fired before the end of the week. Is THAT a good thing? Maybe. But who is going to stick their name next the chaos that would soon take over? It would be political suicide.

And here we are. I'm done hating. This is what it is.

Edit to add: I did not mean to make it sound like YOU were hating, that is not the case or I would not have responded to you like I didn't respond to most here who clearly are hating.