Why havent ISIS been stopped?

a reply to: kellyjay

The simple answer is because Zionists, Neo-Conservatives & Wahhabis don't want them gone yet.

Wahhabi countries like Saudi Arabia & Qatar are their primary backers. ISIS, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Al-Shabaab, and Al-Nusra are all Wahhabi organizations. The West has been aiding "moderate" Wahhabi militants since the 1980s, like during the Iraq-Iran War, the Afghan-Soviet War, the Balkan Wars, etc (and those are just what I remember off the top of my head). And Israel's even helped Al-Qaeda fighters during this current Syrian War.

And remember, Wahhabis seem to hate the Kurdish people too, even though Kurdish people are mostly Sunnis. This "coincidentally" lines up with Turkey's goal of crushing the Kurdish people to prevent them from forming an independent Kurdisatan. So unsurprisingly, Turkey also aids & trains "moderate" Wahhabi militants, many of which just so happen to join ISIS a short while after completing this training.

Another thing to remember, the US has military bases in Qatar, the UAE, and all over the Arabian Peninsula. We also have drone bases in Ethiopia, Saudi Arabia, and other countries in the neighborhood. The country of Djibouti's capital city (which houses one of the US military's largest bases) just happens to be right across from Saudi Arabia. In other words, we could easily go after the major Qatari & Saudi backers of ISIS & their fellow terrorist groups if we wanted to. Instead, our bases are there to protect the leadership in those countries. That's the power of the petrodollar alliance, among other things.

originally posted by: kellyjay
So i was on another one of my favourite sites today (bestgore)

I visit that website too, LOL

The whole thing is about getting a puppet Sunni government in power.

At least in a region that would allow a natural gas pipeline from Qatar through Syria and through Turkey into Europe.

The Qatar, Saudi, and Western vested interests are going against an Iranian plan and against a Russian plan.

Russia stands to lose big money if they get cut off. Russia is the major gas supplier to Europe.

And most of the Russian gas goes through Ukraine.

It's complicated.

ISIS is the force that could get a Sunni regime in power.

I am not convinced the U.S. is actually bombing ISIS positions. All we have is reports from MSM sources.

I bet some of the "bombing" might actually be advancing ISIS.

The MSM is 100% controlled by Western interests.

originally posted by: Bloodydagger

originally posted by: kellyjay
So i was on another one of my favourite sites today (bestgore)

I visit that website too, LOL

Lol ..it IS an awesome site if you are a fan of gore huh?

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: kellyjay

ISIS is still here because they haven't been eliminated by the powers in the region. America is only supplying air strike support and supplies for the ground troops.

ISIS isn't really expanding much anymore though. Their tactics of expand rapidly using the element of surprise has petered out. They only stay relevant by releasing videos online and making people like you upset.

LOL they dont upset me, im just wondering how the hell they are still even able to carry out this crap

Because they exist. They will do it as long as they exist. Getting rid of them is like hunting down every last cockroach in your house and killing them one by one.

obviously they exist, they question is why? and how they still are after what? 1-2 years??

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, Date founded 1999.


It is not just 1-2 years.

KJ, you are obviously interested in this so do read up about their origins.

Also, that is a big accusation to lob at U.S that they are using U.S uniforms and tanks. I think you need to clarify that if we are going to deal with this seriously.

I entertained the idea of IS being a proxy outfit. I looked into it more deeply and came away thinking, "Nah"!

It is complex. I think MrSpad has nailed it here with that comment and my research found the same.

a reply to: kellyjay

We always need a reason, a War, to spend/ send more money to "TPTB"....

a reply to: xuenchen

The thought has crossed my mind that they might not actually be droning ISIS, i remember a leaked video from some hacking group, of a movie set and it was an isis beheading here it is here www.youtube.com..., first thing i thought when i saw it was that ISIS is real, but these in the video arent ISIS but perhaps actors or like mi5 or somthing making propaganda videos as an excuse to put boots on the ground....

note that all the british and american hostages were "killed" with that desert background, and the videos were always cut at the point when the "beheading started" whereas all other videos ISIS have released bar a few are for the most part uncensored now

I dunno its all very odd

originally posted by: Revolution9

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: kellyjay

ISIS is still here because they haven't been eliminated by the powers in the region. America is only supplying air strike support and supplies for the ground troops.

ISIS isn't really expanding much anymore though. Their tactics of expand rapidly using the element of surprise has petered out. They only stay relevant by releasing videos online and making people like you upset.

LOL they dont upset me, im just wondering how the hell they are still even able to carry out this crap

Because they exist. They will do it as long as they exist. Getting rid of them is like hunting down every last cockroach in your house and killing them one by one.

obviously they exist, they question is why? and how they still are after what? 1-2 years??

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, Date founded 1999.


It is not just 1-2 years.

KJ, you are obviously interested in this so do read up about their origins.

Also, that is a big accusation to lob at U.S that they are using U.S uniforms and tanks. I think you need to clarify that if we are going to deal with this seriously.

I entertained the idea of IS being a proxy outfit. I looked into it more deeply and came away thinking, "Nah"!

It is complex. I think MrSpad has nailed it here with that comment and my research found the same.

i know exactly when ISIS were founded, but its only been the past year or so that they have become known to the public abroad and that they have been given the spotlight, im also not saying that the US are directly weaponizing or giving ISIS tanks etc, there are plenty of pictures available with them driving around in US humvees etc, i know that weapons are being funneled to them via other sources who are getting weapons from the US and RUSSIA....like quatar and saudi, so yes they are indirectly weaponising them

a reply to: kellyjay

It also came to me how ISIS seem to steer clear of Israel, which makes me think that ISIS are actually carrying out these atrocities FOR Israel,

Uh , you did realize that the ones being murdered are of Judea/Christian beliefs , right ?

a reply to: Gothmog

they arent the only ones its mostly sunnis

I like how ISIS never runs out of clean, brand new jumpsuits for their prisoners.

Don't they look really similar to the ones used in Gitmo? Just me?

originally posted by: kellyjay
a reply to: Gothmog

they arent the only ones its mostly sunnis

However , the Sunni vs Shiite deal goes back at least as far as the Judaic beliefs . You did know that each of those groups believe they cannot go to Paradise until they have completely eliminated the other from the face of the Earth , yes ?

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Revolution9

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: kellyjay

ISIS is still here because they haven't been eliminated by the powers in the region. America is only supplying air strike support and supplies for the ground troops.

ISIS isn't really expanding much anymore though. Their tactics of expand rapidly using the element of surprise has petered out. They only stay relevant by releasing videos online and making people like you upset.

LOL they dont upset me, im just wondering how the hell they are still even able to carry out this crap

Because they exist. They will do it as long as they exist. Getting rid of them is like hunting down every last cockroach in your house and killing them one by one.

obviously they exist, they question is why? and how they still are after what? 1-2 years??

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, Date founded 1999.


It is not just 1-2 years.

KJ, you are obviously interested in this so do read up about their origins.

Also, that is a big accusation to lob at U.S that they are using U.S uniforms and tanks. I think you need to clarify that if we are going to deal with this seriously.

I entertained the idea of IS being a proxy outfit. I looked into it more deeply and came away thinking, "Nah"!

It is complex. I think MrSpad has nailed it here with that comment and my research found the same.

i know exactly when ISIS were founded, but its only been the past year or so that they have become known to the public abroad and that they have been given the spotlight, im also not saying that the US are directly weaponizing or giving ISIS tanks etc, there are plenty of pictures available with them driving around in US humvees etc, i know that weapons are being funneled to them via other sources who are getting weapons from the US and RUSSIA....like quatar and saudi, so yes they are indirectly weaponising them

It would be good if you can tell us your sources about the U.S arming them, even indirectly. I for one have not seen IS in any pictures wearing U.S uniforms and using U.S tanks. You did say they were using U.S tanks. At least give us a source and a picture or two.

Certain Saudis may have been involved in earlier funding. They have funded in the past what turned into the monsters of today. Everybody makes mistakes.

There is no chance of Israel letting them anywhere near them. Israel is very sophisticated and proactive, lol, as you know. Whatever is now is slowly being cleaned up. It has to be done literally house by house. There are people in great numbers who would love to be free of IS dictating in their regions. They are not the enemy. We can't just bomb the place to #. It has to be strategic to minimise civilian casualties. IS is also, as you know, all over the world in terms of sympathisers and funding, even down to foreign recruitment into IS. It is a Muslim problem of certain kinds of anti Western extremists.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
I like how ISIS never runs out of clean, brand new jumpsuits for their prisoners.

Don't they look really similar to the ones used in Gitmo? Just me?

yep and one size fits all!

originally posted by: Revolution9

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Revolution9

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: kellyjay

ISIS is still here because they haven't been eliminated by the powers in the region. America is only supplying air strike support and supplies for the ground troops.

ISIS isn't really expanding much anymore though. Their tactics of expand rapidly using the element of surprise has petered out. They only stay relevant by releasing videos online and making people like you upset.

LOL they dont upset me, im just wondering how the hell they are still even able to carry out this crap

Because they exist. They will do it as long as they exist. Getting rid of them is like hunting down every last cockroach in your house and killing them one by one.

obviously they exist, they question is why? and how they still are after what? 1-2 years??

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, Date founded 1999.


It is not just 1-2 years.

KJ, you are obviously interested in this so do read up about their origins.

Also, that is a big accusation to lob at U.S that they are using U.S uniforms and tanks. I think you need to clarify that if we are going to deal with this seriously.

I entertained the idea of IS being a proxy outfit. I looked into it more deeply and came away thinking, "Nah"!

It is complex. I think MrSpad has nailed it here with that comment and my research found the same.

i know exactly when ISIS were founded, but its only been the past year or so that they have become known to the public abroad and that they have been given the spotlight, im also not saying that the US are directly weaponizing or giving ISIS tanks etc, there are plenty of pictures available with them driving around in US humvees etc, i know that weapons are being funneled to them via other sources who are getting weapons from the US and RUSSIA....like quatar and saudi, so yes they are indirectly weaponising them

It would be good if you can tell us your sources about the U.S arming them, even indirectly. I for one have not seen IS in any pictures wearing U.S uniforms and using U.S tanks. You did say they were using U.S tanks. At least give us a source and a picture or two.

Certain Saudis may have been involved in earlier funding. They have funded in the past what turned into the monsters of today. Everybody makes mistakes.

There is no chance of Israel letting them anywhere near them. Israel is very sophisticated and proactive, lol, as you know. Whatever is now is slowly being cleaned up. It has to be done literally house by house. There are people in great numbers who would love to be free of IS dictating in their regions. They are not the enemy. We can't just bomb the place to #. It has to be strategic to minimise civilian casualties. IS is also, as you know, all over the world in terms of sympathisers and funding, even down to foreign recruitment into IS. It is a Muslim problem of certain kinds of anti Western extremists.

sure it will need to be links though as i havent figured out how to post pics yet lol sorry

www.mintpressnews.com...

www.rt.com...

freebeacon.com...

as for weapons

www.thefiscaltimes.com...

www.globalresearch.ca...

www.dailymail.co.uk... l

originally posted by: kellyjay
a reply to: xuenchen

The thought has crossed my mind that they might not actually be droning ISIS, i remember a leaked video from some hacking group, of a movie set and it was an isis beheading here it is here www.youtube.com..., first thing i thought when i saw it was that ISIS is real, but these in the video arent ISIS but perhaps actors or like mi5 or somthing making propaganda videos as an excuse to put boots on the ground....

note that all the british and american hostages were "killed" with that desert background, and the videos were always cut at the point when the "beheading started" whereas all other videos ISIS have released bar a few are for the most part uncensored now

I dunno its all very odd

They're a real black ops group. There are different intelligence agencies, militant groups, mercenaries, and others who all fly the banner of "ISIS". They serve different masters.

There are "branches" that are are in cahoots with Turkey to fight the Kurdish people. There are "branches" that are in cahoots with Saudi Arabia to fight in Yemen. There are "branches" that are in cahoots with Israel & Wahhabi powerbrokers in the fight against all things Shia (including in Syria, Iraq, and even now in Saudi Arabia). There's a "branch" in Libya which conveniently serves as a pretext for attacks against the Libyan militants NATO put in power (that's what happens when warlords don't honor the deals they agreed on when NATO took out Qaddafi). And there are "branches" that are in cahoots with the West that serve as a pretext to provoke Western military funding & campaigns.

So the different ISIS videos serve different markets, just as corporations have different styles of commercials depending on the market they're trying to reach.

There might be potentially $1 trillion worth of natural gas sales to Europe at stake.

3 sides involved.

Iran, Qatar (Western), Russia (the most to lose).

The main Russian corporation is Gazprom.

Iran and Qatar get gas from South Pars / North Dome Gas-Condensate field

The South Pars / North Dome field is a natural gas condensate field located in the Persian Gulf. It is the world's largest gas field, shared between Iran and Qatar. According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), the field holds an estimated 1,800 trillion cubic feet (51 trillion cubic metres) of in-situ natural gas and some 50 billion barrels (7.9 billion cubic metres) of natural gas condensates.

Russia would like to keep the region unstable for as long as possible.

It is about weak world leaders and countries tired of strife. And how do you take on ISIS without assisting another terrorist group ? How do you identify the enemy ? The true enemy. A lot of the ME say that they support ISIS , but could it be they only say that to avoid losing weight from the shoulders up ? It seems it would be very difficult to pick out the radicals from the everyday populace that just want to go on with their lives.
Israel will not , as usual , get into this mess unless they are attacked.Just as most of the rest of the countries in the world.
TO sum up , no conspiracy to see here......

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Revolution9

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Revolution9

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: kellyjay

ISIS is still here because they haven't been eliminated by the powers in the region. America is only supplying air strike support and supplies for the ground troops.

ISIS isn't really expanding much anymore though. Their tactics of expand rapidly using the element of surprise has petered out. They only stay relevant by releasing videos online and making people like you upset.

LOL they dont upset me, im just wondering how the hell they are still even able to carry out this crap

Because they exist. They will do it as long as they exist. Getting rid of them is like hunting down every last cockroach in your house and killing them one by one.

obviously they exist, they question is why? and how they still are after what? 1-2 years??

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, Date founded 1999.


It is not just 1-2 years.

KJ, you are obviously interested in this so do read up about their origins.

Also, that is a big accusation to lob at U.S that they are using U.S uniforms and tanks. I think you need to clarify that if we are going to deal with this seriously.

I entertained the idea of IS being a proxy outfit. I looked into it more deeply and came away thinking, "Nah"!

It is complex. I think MrSpad has nailed it here with that comment and my research found the same.

i know exactly when ISIS were founded, but its only been the past year or so that they have become known to the public abroad and that they have been given the spotlight, im also not saying that the US are directly weaponizing or giving ISIS tanks etc, there are plenty of pictures available with them driving around in US humvees etc, i know that weapons are being funneled to them via other sources who are getting weapons from the US and RUSSIA....like quatar and saudi, so yes they are indirectly weaponising them

It would be good if you can tell us your sources about the U.S arming them, even indirectly. I for one have not seen IS in any pictures wearing U.S uniforms and using U.S tanks. You did say they were using U.S tanks. At least give us a source and a picture or two.

Certain Saudis may have been involved in earlier funding. They have funded in the past what turned into the monsters of today. Everybody makes mistakes.

There is no chance of Israel letting them anywhere near them. Israel is very sophisticated and proactive, lol, as you know. Whatever is now is slowly being cleaned up. It has to be done literally house by house. There are people in great numbers who would love to be free of IS dictating in their regions. They are not the enemy. We can't just bomb the place to #. It has to be strategic to minimise civilian casualties. IS is also, as you know, all over the world in terms of sympathisers and funding, even down to foreign recruitment into IS. It is a Muslim problem of certain kinds of anti Western extremists.

sure it will need to be links though as i havent figured out how to post pics yet lol sorry

www.mintpressnews.com...

www.rt.com...

freebeacon.com...

as for weapons

www.thefiscaltimes.com...

www.globalresearch.ca...

www.dailymail.co.uk... l

Thanks.

"Pentagon spokesman Cmdr. Bill Speaks confirmed the weapons transfers and expressed concerns about the captured arms.

“We’re aware of reports of some equipment—namely Humvees—and the pictures that have been posted online,” Speaks said in an email. “We are certainly concerned about these reports and are consulting with the Iraqi government to obtain solid confirmation on what assets may have fallen into ISIL’s hands.”

That is from your Freebeacon link.

Be fair, most of the first links point to the same incident. Posting lots of links to the same incident does not increase its prevalence.

They are ALL accounts where weapons have fallen into IS hands because of defeat. That happens in any war, losses and gains. It was Iraqi forces who were ground fighting that had to retreat and IS took the spoils. You have listed one incident where IS won a battle and seized U.S military hardware that had been GIVEN TO IRAQ for their defence against IS.

The only stance you have is that you suspect such acts are deliberate like clandestine agencies working for Israeli and U.S are orchestrating these battles and their outcomes, like a disguised hand over of free weaponry.

So what is your evidence and sources for your belief that the U.S and Israel are funding IS deliberately with a purpose for them to overthrow who the U.S are defending and supplying weapons to as allies of the U.S?

Here is my source:




Arms trading is a huge dirty business. Everyone is doing it. That is how every bullet on the planet gets to be fired in a gun five thousand miles away from where it is manufactured. Arms dealing is private, too. The U.S may ban certain arms exports, but it is a free market. It is dirty, corrupt, but it is not all Israel's fault. They are all doing it. Watch that film if you ever get a chance.

I am just trying to tell you how complex it all is. In that game you would not want to find out who is really doing it. Many journalists have ended up dead when they have caught wind of certain "practises".

It disgusts me to the heart. I am actually a pacifist. Their dirty dealings puts babies in body bags. Many countries in Africa have been victims. Their tribal wars are totally hyped to create a thriving arms market while the people starve.

All this talk of U.S and Israel orchestrating IS is not officially what is happening. What arms dealers are doing individually is another story. It is also another story again who has shares in such companies and gets big fat dividends. It is another story again exploring International law and how monitoring International arms sales and structuring law around that might help the situation. As the world stands it is still the Wild West I'm afraid.

I have tried my best to give you an idea here of what is really happening. I tell you this is as deep as I would want to go and I'll just call them all fools for preying on humanity like this.

originally posted by: Revolution9

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Revolution9

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Revolution9

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: kellyjay

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: kellyjay

ISIS is still here because they haven't been eliminated by the powers in the region. America is only supplying air strike support and supplies for the ground troops.

ISIS isn't really expanding much anymore though. Their tactics of expand rapidly using the element of surprise has petered out. They only stay relevant by releasing videos online and making people like you upset.

LOL they dont upset me, im just wondering how the hell they are still even able to carry out this crap

Because they exist. They will do it as long as they exist. Getting rid of them is like hunting down every last cockroach in your house and killing them one by one.

obviously they exist, they question is why? and how they still are after what? 1-2 years??

Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, Date founded 1999.


It is not just 1-2 years.

KJ, you are obviously interested in this so do read up about their origins.

Also, that is a big accusation to lob at U.S that they are using U.S uniforms and tanks. I think you need to clarify that if we are going to deal with this seriously.

I entertained the idea of IS being a proxy outfit. I looked into it more deeply and came away thinking, "Nah"!

It is complex. I think MrSpad has nailed it here with that comment and my research found the same.

i know exactly when ISIS were founded, but its only been the past year or so that they have become known to the public abroad and that they have been given the spotlight, im also not saying that the US are directly weaponizing or giving ISIS tanks etc, there are plenty of pictures available with them driving around in US humvees etc, i know that weapons are being funneled to them via other sources who are getting weapons from the US and RUSSIA....like quatar and saudi, so yes they are indirectly weaponising them

It would be good if you can tell us your sources about the U.S arming them, even indirectly. I for one have not seen IS in any pictures wearing U.S uniforms and using U.S tanks. You did say they were using U.S tanks. At least give us a source and a picture or two.

Certain Saudis may have been involved in earlier funding. They have funded in the past what turned into the monsters of today. Everybody makes mista



Thanks.

"Pentagon spokesman Cmdr. Bill Speaks confirmed the weapons transfers and expressed concerns about the captured arms.

“We’re aware of reports of some equipment—namely Humvees—and the pictures that have been posted online,” Speaks said in an email. “We are certainly concerned about these reports and are consulting with the Iraqi government to obtain solid confirmation on what assets may have fallen into ISIL’s hands.”

That is from your Freebeacon link.

Be fair, most of the first links point to the same incident. Posting lots of links to the same incident does not increase its prevalence.

They are ALL accounts where weapons have fallen into IS hands because of defeat. That happens in any war, losses and gains. It was Iraqi forces who were ground fighting that had to retreat and IS took the spoils. You have listed one incident where IS won a battle and seized U.S military hardware that had been GIVEN TO IRAQ for their defence against IS.

The only stance you have is that you suspect such acts are deliberate like clandestine agencies working for Israeli and U.S are orchestrating these battles and their outcomes, like a disguised hand over of free weaponry.

So what is your evidence and sources for your belief that the U.S and Israel are funding IS deliberately with a purpose for them to overthrow who the U.S are defending and supplying weapons to as allies of the U.S?

Here is my source:

Arms trading is a huge dirty business. Everyone is doing it. That is how every bullet on the planet gets to be fired in a gun five thousand miles away from where it is manufactured. Arms dealing is private, too. The U.S may ban certain arms exports, but it is a free market. It is dirty, corrupt, but it is not all Israel's fault. They are all doing it. Watch that film if you ever get a chance.

I am just trying to tell you how complex it all is. In that game you would not want to find out who is really doing it. Many journalists have ended up dead when they have caught wind of certain "practises".

It disgusts me to the heart. I am actually a pacifist. Their dirty dealings puts babies in body bags. Many countries in Africa have been victims. Their tribal wars are totally hyped to create a thriving arms market while the people starve.

All this talk of U.S and Israel orchestrating IS is not officially what is happening. What arms dealers are doing individually is another story. It is also another story again who has shares in such companies and gets big fat dividends. It is another story again exploring International law and how monitoring International arms sales and structuring law around that might help the situation. As the world stands it is still the wild West I'm afraid.

I have tried my best to give you an idea here of what is really happening. I tell you this is as deep as I would want to go and I'll just call them all fools for preying on humanity like this.

i made the assertion that US tanks and humvees and weapons were being used by ISIS, i proved that, also weapons intended for iraq were ending up in ISIS hands, which again i proved so yes the US is weponising ISIS although not intentionally, my reason for posting several links of the same instance was because tend to source fallacy, i was giving you a choice and also showing that it was reported by several media outlets

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