"Paper Fires" Brought The Buildings Down !

a reply to: samkent

Yes, it was also succsefully hijacked. Together with 3 other planes at the same time.

Flight 93 did not crash at Shanksville. According to ACARS data, that flight was still airborne somewhere in Illinois 30 minutes after the story had it crashed in PA.

And of course nobody in Shanksville was able to find the airliner.

a reply to: Salander

Flight 93 did not crash at Shanksville. According to ACARS data, that flight was still airborne somewhere in Illinois 30 minutes after the story had it crashed in PA.

You read something like that and no one has checked into it.
That's the sad thing. People believe everything they read on the internet.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: Salander

Flight 93 did not crash at Shanksville. According to ACARS data, that flight was still airborne somewhere in Illinois 30 minutes after the story had it crashed in PA.

You read something like that and no one has checked into it.
That's the sad thing. People believe everything they read on the internet.

It can be a lot worse. Some people believe what they read in the offical NIST report for which G.W Bush and Rumsfeld testified to but refused to do so under oath or signing it and behind closed doors.

originally posted by: everyone
steel skyscrapers for the first time in human history colapse into their own footprint.....

somehow all 3 of those did so at free fall speed......

but also happend to house the documents concerning the missing billions mentioned just the day before......

The bush familiy where having dinner with the bin laden family that day...........

Why do some people keep repeating those obvious lies, ignoring all the evidence that shows that they are just lies?

It is almost as if they have done no research at all, just believing what a 9/11 conspiracy site tells them to believe!

Happy Valentine's Day!

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: Salander

Even worse, so much of what forensic evidence we have actually contradicts the official story.

If that were true you would have so much public outrage nobody in Washington DC. would have been safe...the fact that didn't happen shows to me you are wrong, but that's just my opinion here.

en.wikipedia.org...

Experiments involving other radioactive materials Immediately after World War II, researchers at Vanderbilt University gave 829 pregnant mothers in Tennessee what they were told were "vitamin drinks" that would improve the health of their babies. The mixtures contained radioactive iron and the researchers were determining how fast the radioisotope crossed into the placenta.

At least three children are known to have died from the experiments, from cancers and leukemia.[72][73] Four of the women's babies died from cancers as a result of the experiments, and the women experienced rashes, bruises, anemia, hair/tooth loss, and cancer.[57] From 1946 to 1953, at the Walter E. Fernald State School in Massachusetts, in an experiment sponsored by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission and the Quaker Oats corporation, 73 mentally disabled children were fed oatmeal containing radioactive calcium and other radioisotopes, in order to track "how nutrients were digested".

The children were not told that they were being fed radioactive chemicals; they were told by hospital staff and researchers that they were joining a "science club".[72][74][75][76] The University of California Hospital in San Francisco exposed 29 patients, some with rheumatoid arthritis, to total body irradiation (100-300 rad dose) to obtain data for the military.[77] In the 1950s, researchers at the Medical College of Virginia performed experiments on severe burn victims, most of them poor and black, without their knowledge or consent, with funding from the Army and in collaboration with the AEC.

In the experiments, the subjects were exposed to additional burning, experimental antibiotic treatment, and injections of radioactive isotopes. The amount of radioactive phosphorus-32 injected into some of the patients, 500 microcuries (19 MBq), was 50 times the "acceptable" dose for a healthy individual; for people with severe burns, this likely led to significantly increased death rates.[78][79] Between 1948 and 1954, funded by the federal government, researchers at the Johns Hopkins Hospital inserted radium rods into the noses of 582 Baltimore, Maryland schoolchildren as an alternative to adenoidectomy.[80][81][82] Similar experiments were performed on over 7,000 U.S. Army and Navy personnel during World War II.[80] Nasal radium irradiation became a standard medical treatment and was used in over two and a half million Americans.[80]

In another study at the Walter E. Fernald State School, in 1956, researchers gave mentally disabled children radioactive calcium orally and intravenously. They also injected radioactive chemicals into malnourished babies and then pushed needles through their skulls, into their brains, through their necks, and into their spines to collect cerebrospinal fluid for analysis.[76][83] In 1961 and 1962, ten Utah State Prison inmates had blood samples taken which were mixed with radioactive chemicals and reinjected back into their bodies.[84]

The Atomic Energy Commission funded the Massachusetts Institute of Technology to administer radium-224 and thorium-234 to 20 people between 1961 and 1965. Many were chosen from the Age Center of New England and had volunteered for "research projects on aging". Doses were 0.2–2.4 microcuries (7.4–88.8 kBq) for radium and 1.2–120 microcuries (44–4,440 kBq) for thorium.[58] In a 1967 study that was published in the Journal of Clinical Investigation, pregnant women were injected with radioactive cortisol to see if it would cross the placental barrier and affect the fetuses.[85]

Fallout research Cover of the final report of Project 4.1, which examined the effects of radioactive fallout on the natives of the Marshall Islands In 1957, atmospheric nuclear explosions in Nevada, which were part of Operation Plumbbob were later determined to have released enough radiation to have caused from 11,000 to 212,000 excess cases of thyroid cancer among U.S. citizens who were exposed to fallout from the explosions, leading to between 1,100 and 21,000 deaths.[86] Early in the Cold War, in studies known as Project GABRIEL and Project SUNSHINE, researchers in the United States, the United Kingdom, and Australia tried to determine how much nuclear fallout would be required to make the Earth uninhabitable.

[87][88] They realized that atmospheric nuclear testing had provided them an opportunity to investigate this. Such tests had dispersed radioactive contamination worldwide, and examination of human bodies could reveal how readily it was taken up and hence how much damage it caused.

Of particular interest was strontium-90 in the bones. Infants were the primary focus, as they would have had a full opportunity to absorb the new contaminants.[89] [90] As a result of this conclusion, researchers began a program to collect human bodies and bones from all over the world, with a particular focus on infants. The bones were cremated and the ashes analyzed for radioisotopes. This project was kept secret primarily because it would be a public relations disaster; as a result parents and family were not told what was being done with the body parts of their relatives.[91]

Nobody in washington has been unsafe or murdered over this. So by your logic it must not have happened. This could be a good moment in time to review your own opinion.

a reply to: Blazemore2000

LOL....all that is missing is the other tower with a caption saying "i am going to fall for you "....

a reply to: Blue_Jay33

Indeed.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: everyone
steel skyscrapers for the first time in human history colapse into their own footprint.....

somehow all 3 of those did so at free fall speed......

but also happend to house the documents concerning the missing billions mentioned just the day before......

The bush familiy where having dinner with the bin laden family that day...........

Why do some people keep repeating those obvious lies, ignoring all the evidence that shows that they are just lies?

It is almost as if they have done no research at all, just believing what a 9/11 conspiracy site tells them to believe!

Nist admitted freefall speed:


www.globalresearch.ca...

According to the Washington Post, the Carlyle Group met at the Ritz Carlton Hotel in NYC one day before 9/11. In attendance at this meeting were former president George H. W. Bush and Shafiq bin Laden, the brother of Osama: The Carlyle Group is a large private-equity investment firm, closely associated with officials of the Bush and Reagan administrations, and has considerable ties to Saudi oil money, including ties to the bin Laden family.

(it was one day before 9/11 and not on the day itself like i said eariler)

originally posted by: everyone
Nist admitted freefall speed:

For 1 building, for a few seconds to the way the building was constructed...

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: everyone
Nist admitted freefall speed:

For 1 building, for a few seconds to the way the building was constructed...

A minute ago you called it all lies for which we ignored all the evidence that says itwas all lies and we had done no reasearch for, claims for which you did not bring any evidence at all. How quickly the tone of your post changes so very drastically when you are unable to push the lies you put forth.

It is good that everybody gets to see from what sort of weak possition your empty comments truly come from.

originally posted by: everyone
A minute ago you called it all lies for which we ignored all the evidence

The statement I called a lie was this

somehow all 3 of those did so at free fall speed

Which is a lie!

we had done no reasearch for,

If you had done "reasearch" why post such a lie?

a reply to: TXRabbit

The fire was on the OUTSIDE of the building in a polyurethene foam cladding - not inside where can affect steel supports

Within minutes the fire had spread extensively up the outside of the building and has evidently affected most floors.

Reviewing footage posted by various sources online does, however, support the popular view that the main conduit for the rapid spread of flame up the outside of the building appears to be the Aluminium Composite Panel (ACP) with a polyurethane core used for the external cladding system.

Looks lot worse that was......

a reply to: everyone

The owner of the building had just bought a brand spanking new insurrance to both building against terrorsist attacks 1 month before it.

Terrorism insurance...??

Reason Silverstein bought terrorism insurance was that the lenders putting up the money DEMANDED HE BUY TERRORISM INSURANCE...!!

You dont think Silverstein paid for WTC out of his own pocket?? He put up small amount of the price and then got
loans for the majority

Lenders wanted their investments protected and demanded buy the insurance

You are aware that WTC was scene of terrorist bomb 8 years before in 1993...??

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: everyone
A minute ago you called it all lies for which we ignored all the evidence

The statement I called a lie was this

somehow all 3 of those did so at free fall speed

Which is a lie!

we had done no reasearch for,

If you had done "reasearch" why post such a lie?

I was inclined to say "I begg to differ" but i dont need to as your post speaks for itself:

originally posted by: hellobruce Why do some people keep repeating those obvious lies, ignoring all the evidence that shows that they are just lies? It is almost as if they have done no research at all, just believing what a 9/11 conspiracy site tells them to believe!

Not anywhere did you refer to anything specific, you simply called it all a lie.

And besides that, All 3 buildings have been comfirmed to reach free fall speeds including by use of seismic records,just not by NIST but their report is very sloppy and one of the most untrusthworthy in the whole 9/11 affair. The only ones reluctant to aknowledge this at all has been NIST who finally after a long time of resitance to the fact reluctantly admitted to that at least one of the buildings showing this behaviour , which would already be one building to many for this to happen.

Anyone with a recording of the collapses and a stopwatch can see it. Except the ones that dont want it to be seen , NIST ,

And you.

originally posted by: everyone
All 3 buildings have been comfirmed to reach free fall speeds

No they have not, have you even seen a video of WTC 1 & 2 collapsing? As if you had you would clearly see the debris falling from those buildings falling at free fall acceleration, whilst the collapsing buildings are much slower!

including by use of seismic records

Care to show us these "seismic records" that apparently show these buildings falling at free fall acceleration?

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: Salander

Flight 93 did not crash at Shanksville. According to ACARS data, that flight was still airborne somewhere in Illinois 30 minutes after the story had it crashed in PA.

You read something like that and no one has checked into it.
That's the sad thing. People believe everything they read on the internet.

More people have checked it out than any "checking out" that might have been done at the 911 Commission, if you know what I mean.

Miller the coroner has spoken with many people about what happened, and none of them were congressmen, curious about his strange behavior on that fateful day. People have written books about it and given interviews, about how the FBI attempted to coerce testimony from a citizen trying to help out. So yes, it has been checked out. There was no crashed airliner in Shanksville that day.

a reply to: everyone

Um, G.W. Bush and Donald Rumsfeld had nothing to do with the NIST report. You might want to recheck your history.

a reply to: gladtobehere 78th floor...at the very bottom of the impact area. Go up a couple floors and that is where the heaviest fire was.