Iran calls for Israel's nuclear disarmament

a reply to: RickyD

That beef is with the nations who controlled the land at the time. Not Israel. It's not like the Jews suddenly said, "Today, let's establish a nation for ourselves."

Nope. The European nations who politically and militarily controlled the region said, "We feel guilty about what we let happen to the Jews, so let's give them some land ... It's not like the Arabs will let them hold on to it anyhow."

And they were almost right, but the Jews hung on. So I guess if you want to blame the Jews, blame them for refusing to roll over and die.

If you want to blame someone for the creation of Israel, blame the other great powers of the world.

a reply to: buster2010

North Korea never signed the NPT Iran did and hasn't broken it yet.

Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons

North Korea did signed the NPT -

North Korea ratified the treaty on 12 December 1985, but gave notice of withdrawal from the treaty on 10 January 2003. The withdrawal became effective 10 April 2003 making North Korea the first state ever to withdraw from the treaty.North Korea had once before announced withdrawal, on 12 March 1993, but suspended that notice before it came into effect.

Iran did broke it -

Iran is a party to the NPT but was found in non-compliance with its NPT safeguards agreement and the status of its nuclear program remains in dispute. In November 2003 IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei reported that Iran had repeatedly and over an extended period failed to meet its safeguards obligations, including by failing to declare its uranium enrichment program.

a reply to: Aazadan

They make heavy use of their Samson option to extract concessions in negotiations with neighbors. The US, UK, France, and everyone else knows that if they let Israel get so much as a black eye, they're going to be nuked.

Here you go kid:

a reply to: crazyewok

And except for North Korea and Israel they have signed to treaty's allowing regulation and inspection of there nukes.

India and Pakistan never did signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty.
North Korea and Iran did, and broke it.
Strange you don't have a problem with any of these countries... but when it com'es to Israel... strange

originally posted by: MaxMech
a reply to: crazyewok

And except for North Korea and Israel they have signed to treaty's allowing regulation and inspection of there nukes.

India and Pakistan never did signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty.

And India and Pakistan should sign up too.

But this thread is not about India and Pakistan is it?

originally posted by: MaxMech
North Korea and Iran did, and broke it.

North Korea has Broken it.

Last time I check Iran DO NOT have a Nuclear weapon.

originally posted by: MaxMech
Strange you don't have a problem with any of these countries... but when it com'es to Israel... strange

Actually I think Bush + the World should have gone into North Korea and NOT Iraq.

Lesson? Don't make assumptions on what my "views" are as you end up looking a fool.

a reply to: crazyewok

And except for North Korea and Israel they have signed to treaty's allowing regulation and inspection of there nukes.

India and Pakistan never did signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty.
North Korea and Iran did, and broke it.
Strange you don't have a problem with any of these countries... but when it com'es to Israel... strange

a reply to: crazyewok

Lesson? Don't make assumptions on what my "views" are as you end up looking a fool.

LOL ok ok don't get nervous.
My initial point was that Israel does not get any special treatment.
Most countries do not follow the rules in one way or another. This is just the way the world works.

Ah yes Israel. Disarm yourself and wait for the oncoming slaughter from all the surrounding nations who want you dead.

originally posted by: MaxMech
a reply to: crazyewok

Lesson? Don't make assumptions on what my "views" are as you end up looking a fool.

LOL ok ok don't get nervous.
My initial point was that Israel does not get any special treatment.
Most countries do not follow the rules in one way or another. This is just the way the world works.

"Israel does not get any special treatment"?
Are you sure about that?

Lets see, AIPAC pour $Millions into the coffers of US politicians each year. US politicians are expected to visit Israel when running for office and while in office to pledge their support. Israel gets a free pass at the UN due to blind US obedience and veto's of anything critical of Israel. Israel can murder US citizens and get a free pass, whereas other countries are threatened with war....etc....etc....!

Lets not forget either that Israel tried (maybe even succeeded) in selling nuclear arms and tech to South Africa. That's a pretty big deal in the nuclear weapons world and something we have also invaded other states for.

So, maybe you'll need to rethink that statement about Israels nonexistent special treatment?

a reply to: Britguy

Some of your examples are true, can't deny that. I'm only saying there is nothing special about them.
There are many countries that do whatever they want without consequences - USA, UK, Russia, China, Saudi Arabia etc.
The difference is that the above countries have their hands all over the place.
Israel on the other hand has only the Palestinian issue. Once it will be resolved, that's it. No need for the US to hold Israel's hand anymore.
All the other countries will continue to do whatever they like with this planet. But at least you will satisfied to know that Israel does not get any "special treatment" anymore.

a reply to: ketsuko

What reason does Israel have to trust that any hostility will cease if they give territory back? The first time any territory was given back, no hostility ceased.

Because the occupation didn't cease.

When Israel was created, the surrounding countries immediately tried to wipe it off the map.

And what did Israel start doing the day it was created? They started ethnic cleansing the land. Can the Arabs really be blamed for fighting a group that just moved into the hood and started acting like Nazis.

Now, I'm not saying there aren't things that Israel can do to hold out an olive branch, but at the same time, you can't go about things saying it's all on Israel's shoulders to make all the moves.

Seeing how a good majority of this stuff didn't happen until after the creation of Israel and the occupation of Palestine it can be said that most of it belongs on Israels shoulders.

originally posted by: MaxMech
a reply to: Sremmos80

Ya I don't get why Israel gets to not follow the rules like everyone else.

What do you mean by "everyone else"?
"everyone else" still have their nukes:
United States
Russia
United Kingdom
France
China
India
Pakistan
North Korea

Except for the last three who didn't sign the NPT the others already had nukes when the NPT was created.

a reply to: ketsuko

That beef is with the nations who controlled the land at the time. Not Israel. It's not like the Jews suddenly said, "Today, let's establish a nation for ourselves."

You are right Jews didn't Israel was a creation of atheist Zionist.

The European nations who politically and militarily controlled the region said, "We feel guilty about what we let happen to the Jews, so let's give them some land ... It's not like the Arabs will let them hold on to it anyhow."

Total BS the Balfour declaration was signed way before WW2.

And they were almost right, but the Jews hung on. So I guess if you want to blame the Jews, blame them for refusing to roll over and die.

Maybe you should do a little research into the statements from the people who were there. The Zionist were armed with the latest weapons while the Arabs were using decades old weapons.

If you want to blame someone for the creation of Israel, blame the other great powers of the world.

The great powers of the world cannot be blamed for the way Israel has acted the blame for that belongs to Israel alone.

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a reply to: buster2010

Because the occupation didn't cease.

Wrong. Israel removed all settlers and IDF personal from Gaza in 2015. Why not live in peace? Why not choose the diplomacy route and apply political pressure for the establishment of a Palestinian state in the west bank? Muslim fanatics, that's why.
In 2006 Hamas refused to quit violence, respect previous agreements and recognize Israel. And only then the siege on Gaza began.

They started ethnic cleansing the land.

Lies. Nobody denies there was a population displacement and distraction of villages.
But ethnic cleansing? Leave your propaganda at the mosque pal.

Can the Arabs really be blamed for fighting a group that just moved into the hood and started acting like Nazis.

Strange, they never had a problem with Nazis before...
Relations between Nazi Germany and the Arab world

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: lostbook

I say, "What's good for the goose is good for the gander," The US. has intentionally ignored Israel's nuclear capabilities.

Exactly Israel has done nothing but whine about Iran's imaginary weapons program so they should face the same things Iran did until they come to an agreement like Iran.
America hasn't always ignored Israel nuclear weapons program. Kennedy was the last president to disagree with it he was against it so much that he was getting into arguments with France when they helped Israel start their program. Israel was so po'd about it that leaders in Israel was calling for Kennedy to be assassinated and what a coincidence he did get assassinated. After that no President dared to complain about their program.

Iran's weapons programs are no more imaginary than Israel's nukes.

Relax buster, you'll live long enough to see the destruction of Israel, and to watch much of the middle east burn.

No agreements, deals or diplomacy are going to prevent this inevitable ultimate outcome.

Much of the world must first turn on Israel, they must be isolated, demonized and the majority of world opinion is against them.

We are perilously close now, you're doing an outstanding job in helping this process.

a reply to: buster2010

the others already had nukes when the NPT was created.

1. So did Israel.
2. So what? The fact that they had nukes before the NPT was created, gives them the right to hold them forever?

I cant believe what I am reading here, people are actually agreeing with what IRAN are saying??

Israel is the only true Allie the west has and the only free capitalist democracy in the middle east.

You might as well say America should disarm its nuclear weapons too.

If the U.S was hit by 1 or more nukes most Iranians would be out on the street praising Allah and partying.

Damn ignorance is rife.

originally posted by: PickledOnion

Israel is the only true Allie the west has and the only free capitalist democracy in the middle east.

HAHAHAHA

Try telling that to the crew of the USS Liberty? And the Palestinians are so enjoying that Israeli freedom

Israel are just in it so themselves and would see the the USA,UK and entire EU burn for its own ends.

what most people here who are anti israel fail to grasp is that the PLO and yasser arafatt gave away the game. they had been on record before as saying "the modern palestinian" people didnt exist until they said so with the help of the KGB to screw with the US and israel.