Exclusive!! Samuel DuBose Shooting! Second Police officer's body cam angle.Caught Lying SMOKING GUN

a reply to: Sremmos80

You are making a fool of yourself.

I wasn't finished stabilizing it, because I am a perfectionist. One never really finishes stabilizing videos like these. When it gets to a point where the camera movement and the motion blur is extreme, you have to manually modify the motion track frame by frame, node by node, to align them correctly when the software can't do it automatically. It takes hours of work, and sometimes is never perfect. I wasn't done, and I never did the final render. All of my examinations and observations thus far were directly from the preview window in full resolution.

When I get home, I will do the final render, and upload it to YouTube, and provide a link.

You people are so ungrateful sometimes. Acting like I owe you money. I always help ATS with my professional examinations free of charge. My post history will prove that.

a reply to: Shamrock6

The officer probably reached in to prevent the suspect from putting the car in drive and getting away without first being officially identified. Has that ever reached your thoughts?

a reply to: Rosinitiate

I really respect your thought process and fair minded approach throughout this thread. I usually just star people and move on, but I felt compelled to tell you that I admire your commonsense nature. I believe most people do understand where you are coming from and will find that much what you state resonates....deeply.

I personally believe "the human element" needs to be injected into the minds of some officers (stop being so robotic and egotistical when their authority and thought process is challenged) and also stricter training protocols that go beyond physical conditioning and weapons training. In life, whether you are an officer or business man, psychology trumps everything else. Now, to be fair, being an officer is a tough job, probably one of the toughest and this is why there is much higher standards in place here where I'm from and also why our officers are rewarded handsomely for doing such a difficult job that weighs on the body, mind and spirit. Our officers earn between $100 000 to $135 000/yr salary and deserve every single penny!

What other occupation is one's life at risk on a daily basis? How easy is it for me to sit here comfortably and state these things so nonchalantly, yet so passionately? Yet, I won't back down because the human element and commonsense must prevail. Higher standards in the States is greatly needed. Nobody here in Canada is afraid of the police. People wave all the time as they pass by and they smile and wave back. Seven million people in this city as well, so stuff does go down, but never any corruption or complaints when it does. An officer shot and killed a black man here wanted for double homicide just last week (very rare situation I might add) and yet, everyone here gets it and accepts it. Why? because it is rare....and we can see what truly happened and we KNOW our officers are pure. They do not have the reputation as American police have and therefore everybody automatically takes the cops side initially until proven otherwise. Our internal investigation units do not F# around up here....

Also, 90% of our police force is post secondary educated. These brave men and women have university and college degrees.

I mention all this not to compare and bash. I mention this to point out that standards in the States need to change to HOW someone qualifies in becoming an officer because clearly, some of these people should not be given a gun and authority to uphold laws. Btw, I'm still pissed at the South Beach officer and how he treated my friends and I a few years ago, and also a few other stories of my routine stops in the States. I have good stories as well, but I find the thought that I should share to counter all this, absurd, and proves the point on a deeper level. I like to add all those stops ended without incident, but the demeaning and very unintelligent way we were dealt with was disgusting. So bloody frustrating to be cooperative, kind, polite, and gentle despite the reasons for the stop were not legit, and still be put through the ringer. That S# needs to stop. That S# is what breeds contempt and fosters unhealthy culture of civilian/police relations. I get the impression (based on my own personal experiences of dealing with police in the States) that they really do see the public who pay their salaries as the enemy.

July.26, 2015. Five days ago:

Come see our world; come see how society in first world nations truly are supposed to live together with those who protect and serve. Man, they truly do protect and serve up here. We LOVE our police very much despite the issues that will always arise here and there due to being human.



..but sometimes, even our police can be dinks. How dare they threaten to arrest Batman!



I really LOVE my police and that is coming from a guy who was constantly in trouble in his early teen years getting arrested all the time. They saved my life. The didn't take it....

originally posted by: WeAre0ne
a reply to: Sremmos80

You are making a fool of yourself.

I wasn't finished stabilizing it, because I am a perfectionist. One never really finishes stabilizing videos like these. When it gets to a point where the camera movement and the motion blur is extreme, you have to manually modify the motion track frame by frame, node by node, to align them correctly when the software can't do it automatically. It takes hours of work, and sometimes is never perfect. I wasn't done, and I never did the final render. All of my examinations and observations thus far were directly from the preview window in full resolution.

That doesn't really jibe with this here.

I rely on facts, and evidence. I hold in my possession a flawlessly stabilized version of the video we are discussing, and have studied it with utmost precision. Do you hold the same? Most likely not.

So when playing fast and loose with definitions, the word expert...

a reply to: WeAre0ne

I promise you're not so vastly intellectually superior to everybody else in the thread that you're the first one to think of that.

That doesn't answer the question as to why it was a better idea than not doing it.

a reply to: Jonjonj

I don't understand what you are implying.

To the untrained eye, to all of you, it is flawlessly stabilized. I could render it right now and you would be none the wiser to smaller imperfections that I usually take the time to iron out. To me though, I could spend another day getting it to the flawless state I desire. Flawlessness is in the eye of the beholder.

a reply to: WeAre0ne

I hold in my possession a flawlessly stabilized version of the video we are discussing, and have studied it with utmost precision. Do you hold the same? Most likely not.

If you didn't say this then I apologize for re-quoting it.
It isn't in the post it is linked to but that post has an edit, so maybe it was edited out.
You also responded to the poster who posted it and didn't mention any sort of misquote.

If it was said then that is why I am saying what I said.


I don't feel like you owe me money, I don't care if you post it or not.
But if you are going to go on and on about how this video shows beyond a shadow of doubt that he was dragged then you should post it, but most definitely don't have to.

You are making a fool of yourself.

Ad homs are cute

a reply to: Shamrock6

For all the officer knew, the guy was on the FBI most wanted list, wanted for murder, human trafficking, child porn, anything. He wasn't able to officially identify the guy yet. The officer didn't want the driver to get away. Reaching in and preventing him from putting his car into drive and driving away is very noble and heroic. Especially after finding an open bottle of alcohol in the car... the suspect could have been drunk, and the officer could have saved someones life preventing him from driving away, and killing someone in a car accident. You know, drunk driving is illegal right?

a reply to: WeAre0ne

I am not implying anything, I am clearly saying that I believe you used your self proclaimed expert capacity to infer that you were in possession of evidence which gave you an advantage over others. When you posted the information that your video was flawlessly stabilized, it was for your perusal, not ours, so why would our subjectivity enter into it? Then you said it wasn't finished, one or the other, but making a claim just to win a point in a thread...well.

a reply to: WeAre0ne

This is the post.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: AmenStop

K well good luck with that. Maybe when we discover unicorns that fart rainbows, we can also get murder redefined so it includes intentionally lying in a police report.

You'll need the rainbow farting unicorn to prove it was an intentional lie. Unless you want to change the definition of intentionally lying to mean "well we think you did it and we can't prove it but we think you did it so that means we're right."

Why si intentional important?

Its the law, he is an accessory after the fact, period case closed. If he meant to or not, its not an excuse. Guilty.

originally posted by: WeAre0ne
a reply to: starfoxxx

I have studied the video, and the video shows that Tensing was indeed dragged by the car. It was not a lie, the video evidence shows he was dragged several feet, and I even pointed it out in some of my last posts.

The source you are quoting is wrong, and most likely confused by the video evidence.

I dont agree, but lets pretend it did, so what?

Its about time we had some of these "cops" actually have the thing they fear happen.

I never hear about police being killed or hurt, well except by their own officers.

All I ever see is innocent people being hurt or killed because the police was afraid of some maybe danger, lets see some of these guys die first because of the maybe danger, then their friends can open fire, like it used to be.

in fact, even when fired at in the old days before they only hired "scared" people, they would shoot to injure and not kill. But they had guts back then, you know, real men and not sissy boys who are scarred of little puppies and children.

a reply to: Jonjonj

Look at you all attacking my credibility. Pushing me into a corner, and forcing me to defend my character and knowledge. Then turning around and insulting me for defending myself and my expertise.

It's a shame, ATS used to have people with higher standards.

a reply to: AmenStop

Why does intent matter when it comes to a murder charge? Well...kind of matters a lot.

You want to create a law that allows for prosecuting somebody for either a) lying or b) not remember correctly. Either is the same, from the sound of your question.

ETA - I get your point. I really do. But you have to try and understand that you are truly espousing the idea of prosecuting somebody for not remembering things 100% correctly. I completely agree with you that when an officer is blatantly falsifying reports, there needs to be a recourse for that. But the problem comes down to, in most cases, is you're trying to punish somebody for what YOU think HE thinks. In cases where there is a clear cut case of lying and definitive evidence of it, yea, something should happen. But outside of those, and they are the minority, it's hardly fair.

An example would be fighter pilots in world war 2. There were any number of cases where numbers of enemy planes and planes shot down were exaggerated. Not necessarily because of any intent to sound cooler (though that probably played a part because I mean...fighter pilots) but because pilot A may see 20 planes and 4 go down, but pilot F only sees 12 planes but sees 8 planes going down. They each believe their numbers, but the numbers are off because of perspective, circumstances, events, etc.

a reply to: WeAre0ne

He wasn't able to officially identify the guy yet.

How many times did he ask the guy for his name after he said he would ID him self?
Zero.

And the bottle was closed, you can see the seal.

Your post is full of what if's.

a reply to: WeAre0ne

Yea no actually you've been nothing but condescending from your first comment and have made repeated thinly veiled ad hom attacks.

The fact that you accuse others of narcissistic behavior when you've put on a clinic in how to do it just makes your pity party all the more hysterical.

Ta-ta

a reply to: Jonjonj

I am in possession of evidence that gives me an advantage over others. As far as I can see, I am the only one who has stabilized the video in such a manner as I have, and studied it in such depth as I have in the process of stabilizing it.

I didn't state these facts to "win a point". The person was attacking my credibility, and insisting we were both looking at the same evidence, when I in fact am looking at better evidence than he is.

originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: AmenStop

Why does intent matter when it comes to a murder charge? Well...kind of matters a lot.

You want to create a law that allows for prosecuting somebody for either a) lying or b) not remember correctly. Either is the same, from the sound of your question.

I am talking about police lying to protect their own, the charge doesn't matter.

and yes, they decide to be a police officer, they should be held to a HIGHER standard, not a lower, or non existent standard as they are today.

a reply to: WeAre0ne

No one is attacking you.

Unless you consider asking where the video is an attack.