3rd Shock Video Catches Planned Parenthood V.P. Selling Body Parts of Aborted Babies

a reply to: Hefficide

There's an easy answer - split the abortion portion of PP away from the rest.

Let the abortion part make it on their own as a for-profit.

a reply to: Hefficide

It is emotional, I think that is the point.

You just said that the current unregulated free market dictates these things. Doesn't that throw up red flags all over the place in your mind?

Think about it.

a reply to: ketsuko

That seems like a rational answer for a second, until financial realities are thought about. I doubt many upper middle classed women are choosing to use PP for care. It's mostly the poor.

So... we spin off the abortion services to a for profit model. Then what? Then the people with a purely religious agenda simply attack the insurance programs instead. Medicaid, ACA, etc.

It simply moves the goal post and shifts the fight to a different venue.

a reply to: ketsuko

And that would satisfy those that are against abortion?

How would that solve anything?

a reply to: introvert
I haven't had any alcohol or drugs in the last 4 months.
If someone has been drinking, maybe it is the guy that thinks the KKK isn't racist.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: theyknowwhoyouare

Are they babies or lumps of cells? Is there proof that there is electrical activity in the brain at the time of EVERY abortion? Majority of abortions are NOT late-term.

If there is no electrical activity in the brain, no one's home. There's no "soul" inside.

How is this any different than unplugging a brain dead person on a ventilator? There's no brain activity there, there's "no one home" upstairs.

People who are anti-abortion don't seem to have a problem signing DNR (do not resuscitate) living wills. If like is precious, why not keep these people alive forever, taking up bed space in hospitals and costing families fortunes?

I'm simply trying to point out the hypocrisy.

Before 12 weeks, I can understand your argument.

After 16 weeks (4 months) when a fetus can feel pain I think an abortion
where the fetus suffers greatly and looks completely human
is where the grey area begins. There is brain activity at this
juncture in fetal life.

After 20 weeks (5 months) when a fetus has every human organ and is
fully human, and suffers horribly with abortion is really wrong.
99% of women know long before the 5th month that they are
pregnant. There are exceptions in my personal view,
an anacelephic baby, any baby that will die shortly after birth
due to genetic defects.

After 24 (6 months) weeks when a fetus has a chance of survival
if born, it is clearly murder in my eyes. There is no excuse,
even if the life of the mother is at risk, not to do a C-section
or induced labor (induced labor is what they do to abort over
24 weeks, except they insert a needle into the baby to kill it first).
After 24 weeks, induce labor and let it be born or do a C-section
and give the baby a chance to live.

I am not anti-abortion before week 16
as far as US law is concerned,
regardless of my personal
squeamishness at the thought
of ending a human life.

I DO object to dissecting fetus' over
16 weeks of age and selling them for
a profit, without the full knowledge
and consent of the mother - and I mean
full knowledge (ie. I agree PP can sell
Xhospital 2 kidneys and a liver for
medical research).
After all the kidneys were once hers
and the liver was once hers as they
were part of her body and her tissue
as the argument for abortion goes,
and she should be fully informed of
any and all sales of her former
body parts.

Should a woman not be informed
that her body is being harvested
in order to sell organs that were
once a part of her body?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Hefficide

There's an easy answer - split the abortion portion of PP away from the rest.

Let the abortion part make it on their own as a for-profit.

Isn't that what this is all about?
How it's illegal to profit on abortion sales?

The last thing PP would do is split up their profit margins for their procedures because it may very well prove exactly what we are arguing...
That it's nothing to do with non profit.

Why is the name of these threads not called for what they are?

Another heavily edited video in an attempt to show planned parenthood are monsters.

They are not selling tissue or organs. Money discussed relates directly to cost of using different methods to better preserve tissues, lab costs, storage costs, shipping costs.

Why is this so hard to understand?

There was a fully formed hand in that dinner plate...

The "clump of cells" bull-horners are as putrid as those we are decrying in my opinion.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: ketsuko

And that would satisfy those that are against abortion?

How would that solve anything?

Pardon..........

Im pro choice and I find this horrific.........so its not just people against abortion

originally posted by: Kali74
They are not selling tissue or organs. Money discussed relates directly to cost of using different methods to better preserve tissues, lab costs, storage costs, shipping costs.

Why is this so hard to understand?

Shouldnt they already have those pretty much set? Usually when youre doing business or have something set up you know what your costs are.....

if thats the case why do they need to Haggle like a street vendor in Juarez

a reply to: introvert

Many people spoke at KKK rallies and it is not indicative of a racist agenda. 

That is what you wrote.
You can call me a liar all you want.

What I do not expect you to do is stand behind what you write.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Ok. How is that relevant to what I asked? how would taking the abortion section out of PP satisfy those against abortion.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: introvert

Many people spoke at KKK rallies and it is not indicative of a racist agenda. 

That is what you wrote.
You can call me a liar all you want.

What I do not expect you to do is stand behind what you write.

That's exactly what I said. No where did I say the KKK is not racist.

maybe it is the guy that thinks the KKK isn't racist.

See the difference?

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: butcherguy

You believe dark skin is a debilitating genetic trait? Ok...

Anyway, she felt the same way about all people. Her thought was to create "perfect people" through sterilization of ALL people, regardless of color, that posed a potential threat to that perfect human ideal.

Race is much less of a factor that you believe.

In her day, it was a common belief, yes.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Why should they be set when each case is different?