Sunken sub found near Swedish coast.

a reply to: Floke

If it really is Russian we will know it when it self detonates

Those guys better know what they are doing

Smartest thing would be to call Russian government,

This is just a scam though, there is no way Russians would leave a spy sub for NATO to study

They would torpedo it before they let it get dissected

ShortN

a reply to: ShortNoodle1

If they know where to shoot maybe....

Sinking Subs don't always have time to send there position back to HQ

a reply to: EartOccupant

Subs are NOT airplanes

Subs are slow, they do indeed have time to mayday mayday

Something is not right with this story

I wanna hear what the Russians say about this "find"

If the pictures are accurate it doesn't look like its been down long. It want take an expert long to identify the sub all they need is a good picture of the periscope/snorkel assembly. It could be the USS Cochino (see the Wikipedia exert below)

USS Cochino (SS-345), a Balao-class submarine, was the only ship of the United States Navy to be named for the cochino, a triggerfish found in the Atlantic. Her keel was laid down by Electric Boat Company of Groton, Connecticut. She was launched on 20 April 1945 sponsored by Mrs. M.E. Serat, and commissioned on 25 August 1945 with Commander W.A. Stevenson in command.

Service history
Cochino joined the U.S Atlantic Fleet, cruising East Coast and Caribbean Sea waters from her home port of Key West, Florida. On 18 July 1949, she put to sea for a cruise to Britain, and arctic operations. Her group ran through a violent polar gale off Norway.

a reply to: ShortNoodle1

Why not they left the kursk also at the bottom of the ocean it was not until a international operation was organised to salvage the sub.

a reply to: ShortNoodle1

Radio doesn't work well underwater. That's why you have aircraft with specialized transmitters to talk to subs. They would have had to surface or come near the surface to radio a distress call. And if they were able to do that, why is there no evidence of them trying to evacuate? The only other way to send a distress call is a buoy.

The other flaw in the distress call theory is that radio would be detected, and nothing apparently was.

a reply to: TheGreazel

They also didn't do anything when the Glomar Explorer was grabbing pieces of the sub that sank off Hawaii.

Could be the sub had a faulty environmental system?

Or a loss of power?

Many reasons for a sub to sink.

originally posted by: Nickn3
If the pictures are accurate it doesn't look like its been down long. It want take an expert long to identify the sub all they need is a good picture of the periscope/snorkel assembly. It could be the USS Cochino (see the Wikipedia exert below)

USS Cochino (SS-345), a Balao-class submarine, was the only ship of the United States Navy to be named for the cochino, a triggerfish found in the Atlantic. Her keel was laid down by Electric Boat Company of Groton, Connecticut. She was launched on 20 April 1945 sponsored by Mrs. M.E. Serat, and commissioned on 25 August 1945 with Commander W.A. Stevenson in command.

Service history
Cochino joined the U.S Atlantic Fleet, cruising East Coast and Caribbean Sea waters from her home port of Key West, Florida. On 18 July 1949, she put to sea for a cruise to Britain, and arctic operations. Her group ran through a violent polar gale off Norway.

The USS Cochino was 95 meters long. This minisub is about 20 meters long.

There are now reports that it could be the "Catfish" - a Russian WW I submarine..............

I'll update when I know more............

Another "Expert" is suggesting the sub "looks" new and it may have sunk as late as in this year........

a reply to: ShortNoodle1

Yeah, another newspaper in Sweden made that point too. If it is Russian, it is probably rigged with bombs.

There id alot of talks about this in Swedish media and google.translate everthing would flood this subject I think.

I can write some notes I find interesting and add the source if it is ok?


"If it should prove that it is a Russian mini-submarine of the modern cut , it will cause an immediate and acute crisis in relations between Sweden and Russia"

"To note in addition: the final analysis of the autumn violations that could put forward by the Armed Forces in May still shines by its absence - given what is now revealed , one may ask if the defense sat inside with more information than they wanted to go out with the public . Now the wreck on the Baltic seabed revealed and impossible to be silent death whether for political or other reasons."

www.svd.se...



"The submarine apears to be yellow . Tomas Ries, says that if a submarine was sent in on a secret mission , it is strange if in this case is yellow - it is rather the rescue submarines have such a color , he says."

www.svd.se...


The note about how the report from the incident last year still hasnt beem presented and the question about how the defense knows more than they say is note worthy. There was actually talks that someone did pick up a s.o.s or something like that during the incident last year but the defense just put the lid on that subject. I just read that from one of the media sites, but I cant find it again now to quote it.
Could this actually be the sub that made that call, if it now was a call like that? Or could this be the sub that answerd that call, since it aparently is a yellow sub? Or is it just some Russian Beatles fans drunk boating?

originally posted by: BobbyRock
There are now reports that it could be the "Catfish" - a Russian WW I submarine..............

I'll update when I know more............

The size IS a match.
Wikipedia: Som-class submarines
Sunk in a collision in 1916.
It doesn't say where though.

originally posted by: ShortNoodle1
a reply to: Floke

I wouldn't be surprised if this is another complex scam pulled by western powers to paint Russia as bad guy

All it takes is to buy or make a Swiss sub and repaint it and let reporters take a picture

Whatever Putin says, call him a liar.

Mission accomplished

ShortN

One question...

Who do "they" need to convince?

We already know Putin is a liar, we already know he's a threat, we already know he's an aggressor...

Why the hell would there need to be any "evil western plot" of such a magnitude?

a reply to: butcherguy

The size IS a match. Wikipedia: Som-class submarines Sunk in a collision in 1916. It doesn't say where though.

Right Now there as many opinions as there are "experts" on what "type" it is .......
The location of the "Catfish" has been known for "some time" now by the military........ I'm trying to find it to see if it has any bearing on last years "sub hunt".........

updates follows..........................

This is all very interesting, especially when taken with the knowledge that Russian subs have been poking around in all sorts of places in recent months.

It's going to be very interesting to see what Russia says about this.

I'm going with blanket denial, after a short period of silence.

They'll say nothing at all for a couple of days, wait until Sweden releases some clear imagery and information on it, then come out with a total denial of anything, probably claiming that it's all "propaganda".

Just wait, we'll see all the pro-Russians on here start writing posts and linking to nonsense articles denying anything about it in the next week.

a reply to: butcherguy


 "On May 10, 1916 at 4 o'clock in the morning "Som" which was patrolling in the area of Olandsgaf, and was lost in an underwater collision with the Swedish steamship "Ingermanland". As the captain of a steamship has testified, he noticed a periscope, towering 1 m above the water, at a distance of 150 m. The boat went by on a parallel course, and then turned toward the steamship. Having decided, that it wanted to examine them, the captain stopped the ship. The periscope suddenly disappeared under water, and the boat struck the steamship below the waterline. The submarine was not seen again. In addition to the submarine, her crew - 2 officers and 16 bottom grades were lost."

militaryhonors.sid-hill.us...

Olandsgaf I belive is Ålandshav:

(Cant link the map,,but search Åland)

The size and location match up. Some argue the pictures do not look like the Catfish, too angular and flat etc. but some say it is Catfish.

originally posted by: Floke
The size and location match up. Some argue the pictures do not look like the Catfish, too angular and flat etc. but some say it is Catfish.

I think it's highly unlikely it would look as it does if it were nearly 100 years old.

a reply to: Rocker2013

The Baltic Sea is well known for preserving ships due to the extremly low oxygen levels. Some finds from WW1 is said to almost look new.

originally posted by: Floke
a reply to: Rocker2013

The Baltic Sea is well known for preserving ships due to the extremly low oxygen levels. Some finds from WW1 is said to almost look new.

Well, that would be just as fascinating if it's true, but having seen some of the photos and the video footage I really don't think it's plausible that that sub is 100 years old.
Maybe I'm wrong, I know little about the subject, I just don't think it's plausible looking at the condition of what we've been able to see so far.

A little more from another source suggesting it's not that old.

Security consultants say the submarine has not been crashed long, and speculate that it was part of an unsuccessful secret test or mission. “I imagine it has been tested and failed,” said security consultant Joakim von Braun.

Russian Submarine Wreck Found in Sweden’s Territorial Waters

Again, I know little about this subject so I'm open minded (it's all fascinating regardless), but something tells me this was a recent event and possibly linked to the sighting last year.

After all, might that be why Ocean X were there in the first place? The Swedish navy were dropping depth charges in response to the sighting last year, there's a good chance they could have damaged it in their efforts.

I wonder what the Swedish military will now do? Presumably they'll be working on bringing it up to the surface for investigation, and hopefully they'll be open and transparent about what they find. Sweden is pretty well known for being more open about things, there's a good chance they'll also be encouraged to be very public about this by other nations - anything to upset Putin.