Satan Statue to be unveiled in Detroit

originally posted by: arpgme
a reply to: ketsuko


Their Freedom of Religion ends where another's begin. If they try to make satanic rituals or satanic prayers at school a law then that is just as unconstitutional as if any other religion did it.

Instead of the government becoming like Rome, full of statues, why not just keep it secular? Then again, there would be another problem. I think there are some Pagan gods made on the design of some government buildings.

The Supreme Court building has a frieze with all kinds of lawgivers including some religious ones like Moses and some secular like Hammurabi. Clearly in that frieze the intent is history of law, not religion. So are the religious references wrong there?

a reply to: ketsuko

I don't know, but probably not since it's a mixture and not one religion only.

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: zbeliever

Hey, look on the bright side. At least it isn't this one:

what city is that statue in? is it in Detroit as well?
no worse no better than any other religion they all tell you what to believe...I guess some people need that.

originally posted by: Spacespider
A goat with wings is just as silly as men walking on water and men splitting oceans apart with magic...

Religion is fun

Sounds like something just about anyone would be able to do with another maybe 50 years of tech.

originally posted by: zbeliever
a reply to: Cuervo

Interesting take on my opinion. What I am trying to point out is what we were taught in Sunday school about 40 years ago is coming true. No I am not a religious zealous ;but as a child we attended church and they said the majority someday would worship Satan.

“No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation.”
David Spangler
Director of Planetary Initiative at the United Nations



I'm not the religious type, but even I see the writing on the wall. Even if we don't believe in this stuff... they do.

I would say...ABOUT FREAKIN TIME!!! Look around you at what is going on in our world, our country. Look at the corruption, the enemy encroaching from all sides and many of us not only allowing it, but at times celebrating it or at least making excuses for it. It is only fitting that a statue to what we obviously worship be erected. We have lost our morality, our values and have accepted evil for many years now. God and religion are treated as oppressive jokes, honor and honesty is treated as stupidity and we live under the rule of a wanna-be dictator. Why keep hiding what we have become. We are the little tools of the Devil...why is anyone surprised to see a statue? I'm frankly shocked you haven't done so long before now.

Yes...a bit sarcastic. But you get the point

Who cares what statue people want to bow down and babble and inanely pray to? Freedom of religion, one 'aint valid over the other.

originally posted by: Learningman
So much speculation, untruth and jumping to conclusions, when all the information speculated on is freely available, on a site with a motto of deny ignorance...

The Satanic Temple is not to be confused with the church of Satan, although both use the biblical figure as a symbol of their respective branches of humanism.

The Baphomet is NOT Satan, the statue is NOT the christian devil.

It IS a rather blatant and (in my oppinion) cheap marketing gimmick, to draw attention, which it is succeeding in.

The Satanic Temple's tenets are not secret and easily accessed online, but for those who dont wish to seek, or those who revel in alarmism, it boils down to this.

The usage of self evident morals, as opposed to those put forth by spiritual religions, (with the majority being the same,) with the one difference being that as a human being you are to blame or praise for your actions, and cannot claim you did evil in a deitys name, but rather you did it because you are immoral, and you do good not because you are told it is good, but because you feel or know it to be good. (sorry for the awful and long sentance!)

Another tenet, if you wish to call it so, is that blind belief should not overshadow scientific fact or truth, nor should religion dictate morals that (under the satanic temple) areonly of importance to the individual (i.e. abortion/circumsicion/euthanasia).

That the body is yours, not god given, and as long as you do not cause alarm, injury or loss to another (yes abortion does involve another life, but im not saying it is a flawless philosophy, by any means) then others have no standing to dictate what you can or cannot do based on their own values.

I understand Christians will jump on the fact that many humanist groups use the term Satan, and imagery from pre-aramaic religions/cultures as proof they represent the evil and foul, and im sure said groups rely on that for publicity, but it is merely a symbol or metaphor for self responsibility.

Humans have done great and awful things, often in the name of God (any, not just the judeo-christian), but many humanist or 'satanic' groups have founded for themselves a religion with no higher power, and therefore any ills or great works they do, they attribute to their self evident moral compass.

I know i sound like im being nasty and condescending but i really dont mean to, and i hope the followers of Christ such as the op dont worry themselves unduly.

But to recap, Baphomet is NOT satan, and (at least this 'satanic' temple*) do not believe in any deity. Admittedly a cheap shot, but far from the only group to take one.

*although i know of none, i am not arrogant enough to think that everyone who claims to be a member of any 'Satanic' church does in fact not believe in a deity, there may well be people who worship the biblical satan and believe in the judeo-christian God.

No real "Satanist" believes in a deity or God. It is simply a chosen symbol to express themselves and represent a made-up being that comes close to their beliefs. Yes...I know personally. As you said, it is no big secret for anyone who wants to learn. Calling oneself a Satanist is more for shock value than the truth...they are much more of a Humanist. As for the nut cases that actually believe there is a physical devil...keep making asses of yourselves. It's fun to watch.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
Who cares what statue people want to bow down and babble and inanely pray to? Freedom of religion, one 'aint valid over the other.

You're right. It doesn't matter...anymore.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

It didn't matter to the founding fathers either They made sure it played no role in government and ensured people could freely pray to whom they wanted. So not anymore, never did, hopefully never will.

originally posted by: zazzafrazz
a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

It didn't matter to the founding fathers either

They made sure it played no role in government and ensured people could freely pray to whom they wanted. So not anymore, never did, hopefully never will.

I'm with you...but have to add this just for fun. Look at our government NOW. Maybe a little of what God would preach (if there were a God) wouldn't be a bad thing.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

I don't think the old testament god is something I want to listen to.

Now if it was Jesus you are referring to then the government would be socialist

originally posted by: notmyrealname

originally posted by: Cuervo

originally posted by: zbeliever
a reply to: threeeyesopen

I understand the moral majority is against the statue, my concern is how long will it take for a satanic temple to pop up in every city. Just think of all the taboos through out history that are now main stream.

Are you saying that we should stop a religious organization from opening congregations in the United States?

Sign me up! I am all for that one. Where is the line forming?

As far as I can tell the so called satanists have killed a few chickens(waaaay less than KFC) and maybe possibly killed a few people over the years. Compare that to how many people the organized religions of the world have killed and I would welcome a satanic church on every corner; lots less killing going on there.

Amen brother..Amen!

originally posted by: Learningman
So much speculation, untruth and jumping to conclusions, when all the information speculated on is freely available, on a site with a motto of deny ignorance...

The Satanic Temple is not to be confused with the church of Satan, although both use the biblical figure as a symbol of their respective branches of humanism.

The Baphomet is NOT Satan, the statue is NOT the christian devil.

It IS a rather blatant and (in my oppinion) cheap marketing gimmick, to draw attention, which it is succeeding in.

The Satanic Temple's tenets are not secret and easily accessed online, but for those who dont wish to seek, or those who revel in alarmism, it boils down to this.

The usage of self evident morals, as opposed to those put forth by spiritual religions, (with the majority being the same,) with the one difference being that as a human being you are to blame or praise for your actions, and cannot claim you did evil in a deitys name, but rather you did it because you are immoral, and you do good not because you are told it is good, but because you feel or know it to be good. (sorry for the awful and long sentance!)

Another tenet, if you wish to call it so, is that blind belief should not overshadow scientific fact or truth, nor should religion dictate morals that (under the satanic temple) areonly of importance to the individual (i.e. abortion/circumsicion/euthanasia).

That the body is yours, not god given, and as long as you do not cause alarm, injury or loss to another (yes abortion does involve another life, but im not saying it is a flawless philosophy, by any means) then others have no standing to dictate what you can or cannot do based on their own values.

I understand Christians will jump on the fact that many humanist groups use the term Satan, and imagery from pre-aramaic religions/cultures as proof they represent the evil and foul, and im sure said groups rely on that for publicity, but it is merely a symbol or metaphor for self responsibility.

Humans have done great and awful things, often in the name of God (any, not just the judeo-christian), but many humanist or 'satanic' groups have founded for themselves a religion with no higher power, and therefore any ills or great works they do, they attribute to their self evident moral compass.

I know i sound like im being nasty and condescending but i really dont mean to, and i hope the followers of Christ such as the op dont worry themselves unduly.

But to recap, Baphomet is NOT satan, and (at least this 'satanic' temple*) do not believe in any deity. Admittedly a cheap shot, but far from the only group to take one.

*although i know of none, i am not arrogant enough to think that everyone who claims to be a member of any 'Satanic' church does in fact not believe in a deity, there may well be people who worship the biblical satan and believe in the judeo-christian God.

Bumped for well said.

Plus,
Satan/ Lucifer:


Yeah, Baphomet garners more negative hyper attention than the depiction of Lucifer above.

a reply to: zbeliever

Hi....both....its more like 1/3s....some for..much against...some don't care here.

We don't like it, seems many share that too...overall? Most don't care....except all the pastors.

Waiting to see how this turns out when/if it goes up.

America ,

please change your name to

"Horrormovie"

.... just so there's NO doubt !

why not erect a satan statue in Detroit, that city went to hell years ago.

a reply to: dreamingawake

You do realize spirits can change form, right? Just because a picture says someone looks a certain way that doesn't mean they always appear that way.

a reply to: Missmissie173

I will say that adding little kids to the "statement art" seems pretty slim shady.

Hey!!! Just pull up for a second there.... What's that comment even supposed to mean?

I was totally with ya until you decided to throw that cheap shot at Em. His the definition of the American dream, dude... Poor white thrash, straight to a millionaire from just talking crap.

Its just totally anti-American to take a stab at slim like that..... lol.

Who cares if he does worship the devil or is a member of the Illuminati.... He's the man.

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

I try to avoid the 'no true Scotsman' but you are pretty much bang on, in my opinion.



I did remember this morning though, a few teens who committed murder claiming to be devil worshipers, but as you and anyone not actively seeking alarm/fearmongering can see it has as much to do with these branches of humanism as the mentalists who get committed for murder and arson because the heard 'God' talking to them in their head does to true Christianity.

While it is to be expected that these parralells will draw the fearful crowd, it does not make it true.

Things such as Konduits post show the grasp at straws to be offended mentality, which I assume comes from being a deep believer in religion/magic, as the simple and true facts are the tarot card dubbed devil IS a take on the Baphomet, but its exactly that, not the other way round. When Christianity was proselytizing in Europe and other so called 'pagan' religions they used the imagery in often negative ways, such as the Baphomet, or even Pan being absorbed into the cloven hoofed goat of mendes Satan figure.

The 'devil' tarot card depicts Baphomet as the devil, but this does not mean that the Baphomet is the devil, rather that Christianity demonized the old ways as a form of power assertion and control

I dont wish to sound disparaging but i see many Christians jumping to conclusions because or confirmation bias.

I would understand any religion being upset about another religion erecting statues, but even with the shock metaphor of using another religions figures as a symbol of rebellion, it still does not make it logical to assume that the constructs of their own religion prove The Satanic Temple to be anything to do with Lucifer whatsoever outside of theatrics.


** an edit, can some theologian show where in the Bible it describes satan as anything but beautiful? Specifically as a goat legged, bi-horned anthropomorphic figure often stylised as embracing duality? Not artworks from later periods? If you cannot it is because it is a bastardisation of Baphomet, not the devil as described in scripture (light bringer, morningstar etc.) **