Motorbike runs on water from a polluted river.

I just came across this article, and I am wondering about the veracity of it. If these claims are true, I'm curious about the efficiency of it, and how much of a game changer it may be.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

A water-powered motorbike with the ability to travel up to 310 miles on a litre of H20 is turning heads in Brazil.

The 'T Power H20’ motorcycle was created by Sao Paulo-based public officer Ricardo Azevedo and can even be powered on polluted river water.

The design features a combination of water and a single external car battery, which is used to produce electricity and separate hydrogen from the water molecule.

I've seen a far few claims regarding vehicles running on water, but this is fairly recent. I'm curious how legit this may be? If it is legit, is it efficient, is it something the creator 'needs to watch his back' for, as other articles regarding this story have claimed?

a reply to: cuckooold

It's legit. It's just using electrolysis to produce hydrogen for hydrogen fuel cells. It's impressive, no doubt, but it's not really anything new. And no, the creator doesn't have to 'watch his back'.

Even if you had a 100% efficiency in the motor controller and motor, I don't think you could even get 100miles range on a car battery going at a pace faster than walking.

If you look further down the page ,
an expert in these things has posted
all the relevant numbers related to this motorcycle .
At the risk of T&C req ,.... here it is

This does not pass the smell test. The average motorcycles gets about
35 to 40 mpg (gasoline), but let's say his bike gets 60 mpg. The approximate
energy equivalence is about 1 kilogram (Kg) of hydrogen equals 1 gallon of
gasoline. So it would take 1 Kg of hydrogen for his bike to travel 60 miles
and a little more than 5 Kg to travel 310 miles. The first problem is that
1 Liter of water contains about 0.11 Kg of hydrogen
(the rest oxygen; 0.89 Kg). So this 0.11 Kg of hydrogen from 1 Liter of
water would only take the bike about 7 miles well short of 310 miles.
The second problem is an average 120 amp-hours car battery contains
about 1.4 kilowatt-hours of energy and since it takes about 50
kilowatt-hours to produce 1 Kg of hydrogen a single charged car battery
will only produce about 0.028 Kg of hydrogen, only enough for his bike
to travel about 1.7 miles. In total it would actually take about 44 liters
of water and 180 car battery charges to generate enough hydrogen to travel 310 mile.

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Here is a lawnmower running on petrol fumes. Not sure if the motor would have any cojones tho...

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originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
a reply to: cuckooold

It's legit. It's just using electrolysis to produce hydrogen for hydrogen fuel cells. It's impressive, no doubt, but it's not really anything new. And no, the creator doesn't have to 'watch his back'.

No in fact Stanford has come up with a hydrogen splitter that runs on 1.5 volts. So it's not far fetched to believe someone would apply this to an engine since it was planted for hydrogen vehicles as a way to refuel them.

There is one major problem with hydrogen for conventional piston engines; Embrittlement.

The hydrogen does something to the metals in the combustion chamber and makes everything brittle. In turn this means that the engine self destructs in a relatively short period of time

en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: markosity1973
There is one major problem with hydrogen for conventional piston engines; Embrittlement.

The hydrogen does something to the metals in the combustion chamber and makes everything brittle. In turn this means that the engine self destructs in a relatively short period of time

en.wikipedia.org...

That's why you use hydrogen fuel cells eliminates that problem.

a reply to: cuckooold

when i read the title, my first thought was a motorcycle drove across a lake that was so polluted it was able to drive on it.

ha ha ha

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

I think you are wrong.

Please show me more self sustaining engines that are able to do work AND enough aditional energy to sustain the hydrogen creation at the same time.

originally posted by: EartOccupant
a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

I think you are wrong.

Please show me more self sustaining engines that are able to do work AND enough aditional energy to sustain the hydrogen creation at the same time.

There is multiple ways to extract hydrogen from water. Here's an easy one
www.purdue.edu...

Here's one that uses 1.5 volts easily below the output of a hydrogen fuel cell.
news.stanford.edu...

a reply to: dragonridr


I know, i do it myself to.

But the thing is to run an combustion engine on Hydrogen while the engine delivers work AND enough energy to create enough hydrogen to sustain the process.

Don't you guys see that if that would be possible you could run a gen-set for your house on water.

Stanley Meyer was one of the first who did it, but it is still getting suppressed.

Because government and Big oil don't like water as fuel.


So if this is true... then it will vanish

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
a reply to: cuckooold

It's legit. It's just using electrolysis to produce hydrogen for hydrogen fuel cells. It's impressive, no doubt, but it's not really anything new. And no, the creator doesn't have to 'watch his back'.

No in fact Stanford has come up with a hydrogen splitter that runs on 1.5 volts. So it's not far fetched to believe someone would apply this to an engine since it was planted for hydrogen vehicles as a way to refuel them.

The current is what determines quantity of hydrogen, not the electrolysis voltage. Electrolysis is generally about 70% efficient, so converting electric power to hydrogen and burning it means the loss of 30% of the energy immediately. IC engines are 20-30% efficient; fuel cells about 60% but leave 10% of the hydrogen unburned.

If he wanted to be as efficient as possible, he'd just use the battery on an electric bike.

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
a reply to: cuckooold

It's legit. It's just using electrolysis to produce hydrogen for hydrogen fuel cells. It's impressive, no doubt, but it's not really anything new. And no, the creator doesn't have to 'watch his back'.

No in fact Stanford has come up with a hydrogen splitter that runs on 1.5 volts. So it's not far fetched to believe someone would apply this to an engine since it was planted for hydrogen vehicles as a way to refuel them.

It would be smaller and more efficient to just use the car battery to power the motorcycle, than to make hydrogen with the electrical energy in the battery, then make electrical energy with the hydrogen produced. This indicates that the demo is a scam.

originally posted by: EartOccupant
Stanley Meyer was one of the first who did it, but it is still getting suppressed.

Because government and Big oil don't like water as fuel.


So if this is true... then it will vanish

Water doesn't have any combustion energy. Because it's already burned.

You can't unburn the water and reburn it for a gain, no matter how much you wave "resonance" and "quantum" around it. And any time you see someone claiming you can, like Meyer or this guy, it's going to be a scam.

a reply to: cuckooold

Unfortunately, impossible, as the science dues say. Sure would be nice, but then as long as nobody releases planes that fill in the gaps, this will remain a fantasy.

a reply to: radarloveguy
i like your analysis because it reveals the impossibility of electrolysis as being the basis of the hydrogen. And the inventor does not show us the mechanism producing the hydrogen. Let me suggest an alternative..i think you can google it with the terms "brown gas" and water powered car.
I found the circuit diagram for this device, and basically it catalyzes the dissociation of water using a frequency generator that is tuned in unknown ways to narrowly spaced aluminum plates through which the water passes. and hydrogen is separated. i could not figure out the frequency or the current levels used. the components had no values (farads, inductors, resistors) labeled. whether or not this device works could easily be evaluated in a lab...measure amps, volts, volume of gas out, etc... in the case of the water powered car, the guy died before this step could take place.
the catalytic reaction explains why more hydrogen is created than explained by electrolysis.
My point of view is I am going to look for tricks like hidden gas tanks until i see the lab results up close.

originally posted by: darkstar57
the catalytic reaction explains why more hydrogen is created than explained by electrolysis.
My point of view is I am going to look for tricks like hidden gas tanks until i see the lab results up close.

No catalysis, resonance, quantum, field, vibration, frequency or other sciency terms will get that hydrogen loose from the water with less energy than that in the chemical bonds.

The result is that you can't unburn it with less energy than the energy you get back from burning it.

originally posted by: EartOccupant
a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

I think you are wrong.

Please show me more self sustaining engines that are able to do work AND enough aditional energy to sustain the hydrogen creation at the same time.

According to the article, the bike's engine isn't powering the electrolysis reaction, so the engine isn't 'self sustaining' or providing additional energy to sustain the reaction...the electrolysis is powered from an on board, 12v car battery that's only function is to power the reaction.

The bikes alternator/generator may be topping up the car battery, but the article doesn't say so, so i'm assuming it doesn't, and the guy just swaps out the car battery for a freshly charged one daily or even more frequently than daily, depending on the battery's amp hour reserve.

I used to play around with building HHO units years ago. This is an interesting development if it turns out to be legit.

originally posted by: MysterX
...the electrolysis is powered from an on board, 12v car battery that's only function is to power the reaction.

Why have it at all? Just run the thing from the battery and cut out the middleman.

a reply to: Bedlam

Technically you can produce on demand H from water, without a single volt of electricity or single amp of current...so i'm not sure where you get your ideas from bedlam.

Hydrogen can be obtained easily, simply and cheaply via chemical reaction, such as zinc or aluminium powder reacting with dilute Lye or Sodium Hydroxide...the reaction can generate such large quantities of Hydrogen, that during WW2, it was used as an efficient and practical method of producing the large quantities of H required, in the field, to inflate the many Hydrogen filled barrage balloons..

Not a single battery was required, just powdered cheap and easily available metals and a chemical catalyst.