Drag Queens banned from Pride Parade in Scotland

a reply to: Gryphon66

How so, its true this is real lesbian and transperson speaking

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
jewamongyou.wordpress.com...

The lesbian vs. transgender conflict

There was a great video on the subject I can't find it.

There are individuals in every community who are bigoted and prejudiced.

Louder with Crowder website here

Articles on the first page: "How Transgenderism Hurts Real "Bigger" Girls"

and a real gem trying to make fun of Caitlyn Jenner:

Caitlyn Jenner, a woman, won the men’s decathlon at the 1976 Olympics. What a broad!

That's the level of cognitive thought you're holding up as an example of what the LGBT community believes.

Do you see the possible issue with this?

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: Gryphon66

How so, its true this is real lesbian and transperson speaking

Right, because no radio shock jock has EVER set up false scenarios on their shows, right?

Okay, I'll give you the possibility that this is an accurate conflict between one Lesbian and one trans* person.

How do you think this says something about the millions of the rest of us?

My point is you're basing your comments on a great deal of ignorance.

Of course there are bigots in every population.

Ida Hammer attempts to talk to Cathy Brennan after the NYC Dyke March 2012

hey I found it,

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There is a longer version somewhere

a reply to: Gryphon66

Oh forget him, there is absolutely hard feeling between some lesbians, many and transpeople, they don't like the transgender men claiming to be dykes.

And dyke is the word they use.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: Gryphon66

Oh forget him, there is absolutely hard feeling between some lesbians, many and transpeople, they don't like the transgender men claiming to be dykes.

And dyke is the word they use.

LOL, "some lesbians" another Youtube video of an altercation between TWO people.

I have often counselled others against messing with Lesbians.

You're not getting the point are you? Let me be more clear:

You're holding up a shock-jock radio show with TWO "participants," someone's personal blog entry, and now a confrontation between TWO people ... and you're saying that represents conflicts between more than 3 to 20 MILLION AMERICANS.

Should I go find a Westboro Baptist Church video and claim that reflects the feelings of ALL Christians?

Should I go find a Neo Nazi Video and claim that reflects the feelings of ALL White people?

Is my point becoming a bit more clear to you?

"Transgender specifically negatively impacts lesbians."
Cathy Brennan

www.salon.com...


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All this has been discussed on ATS before.

a reply to: JadeStar

I just can't think policing Performances are a line you can cross, because where does it end? and with what group does it end with? telling someone they can't perform at a pride event without sensitivity training just alienates a group and says 'this' is more important than 'that'

Being overtly offensive is wrong, i agree i don't condone any kind of 'Hate' or attacks, but what i want to know is why does a group of people who don't want to associate with the GLBTQ+ community want to control what happens at a GLBTQ+ pride event?

a reply to: Gryphon66

Never mind, there are plenty of web pages on the subject, I'm not attacking any side, just tried to add to the conversation another dimension to the issue.

Let's consider how certain lesbians may feel, is it beyond comprehension that they might not accept a male transgender labeled as lesbian?

a reply to: Stormdancer777

It doesn't modify any "Gayness" because Gender and Sexual Orientation are different

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: Stormdancer777

It doesn't modify any "Gayness" because Gender and Sexual Orientation are different

I understand what you are saying, but I also understand where some lesbians are coming from,

Take Bruce Jenner, he identifies as female now, still has male genitalia, and said, according to his interview, he is still attracted to women, does that make him a lesbian even though he still has male parts?

seems complicated to me,

So he likes women as a man, and likes women as a women in transition, complicated.

That Brennan lady called it a fetish, that's one I don't believe I have heard.

Transvestic fetishism
en.wikipedia.org...tishism

A person who is diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder should not receive a diagnosis of Tranvestic Fetishism,[2] although sometimes those with this diagnosis do go on to develop gender dysphoria, and then meet the criteria for a diagnosis of Gender Identity Disorder.[2] Most men who have transvestic fetishism do not have a problem with their assigned sex.

Some male transvestic fetishists collect women's clothing, e.g. nightgowns, babydolls, bridal gowns, slips, brassieres, and other types of nightwear, lingerie, stockings, pantyhose, shoes, and boots, items of a distinct feminine look and feel. They may dress in these feminine garments and take photographs of themselves while living out their fantasies. According to the DSM-IV, this fetishism has been described mostly in heterosexual men.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: Gryphon66

Never mind, there are plenty of web pages on the subject, I'm not attacking any side, just tried to add to the conversation another dimension to the issue.

Let's consider how certain lesbians may feel, is it beyond comprehension that they might not accept a male transgender labeled as lesbian?

There are plenty of webpages on ANY subject Stormdancer.

I have never said, not even once that you are attacking anyone.

I'm not trying to keep you from participating in the conversation, before you go there.

You've given five examples and you want to expand that into a general conflict between Lesbians and trans* folks.

I'm fine with considering how some Lesbians feel, or with how anyone feels?

Sure, I'm absolutely certain that there are some Lesbians who have a problem with how anyone labels themselves. I'm sure that there are some (and I can come up with more than the five examples you offered off the top of my head) who would say if a woman has ever been intimate with a man that they aren't a "real" Lesbian but are rather bisexual.

Not unlike some Evangelicals who claim that Catholics aren't really Christian, some Blacks who claim that anyone of any mixed parentage at all cannot be Black ...

I'm suggesting to you that what you're calling out as some kind of gay/lesbian trait is merely a human trait ... who cares what we call ourselves?

I'm also suggesting that, if you're really interested in finding out what our community thinks about issues, you might look elsewhere than conservative shock-jocks and Youtube videos ... just in general.

You might listen to some of us who are in the community and have lived with these realities our whole lives.

a reply to: Gryphon66

i was at a comedy club once in Drag* half his set was dedicated to calling me every name he could think of, people in the audience applauded and agreed...was it offensive, yeah.. could i be offended.. yeah but after it was over that was it.

i've had Transgender people tell me i'm not "Valid" because i'm Genderfluid, and other such 'offensive' mean things, and i also have Transgender friends who call themselves the 'T' word within a Circle of friends, people are different and some people use Labels and words as empowerment, you can't shame those that do or try and control them and tell them they are wrong

another example would be Don Rickles, he said offensive things, and after his show he would buy the people he talked about during the show Gifts and Wine etc, he wasn't like that outside of his "Comedy Act" and he didn't think that way

Bianca Del Rio is an Insult Comic Queen, that is her act, outside of it she is nothing of the same.. (don't tell her i told you)


I think what happens is many within the community think that they can use words and such as 'Friends' and 'Allies' and it's Ok because it's within the Community, kind of like the N words within the Black Community

again i don't condone any hateful words or purposely attacking someone with slurs or hurtful words

a reply to: Gryphon66

I said some, I didn't say all.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

Yes, because he has always been a Woman.. without understanding the science behind Transgender i can see why it might be confusing, but if Caitlyn has always been attracted to Woman than she would identify as Lesbian

a reply to: Darth_Prime

Yes Darth there seems to be communities within communities.

Human nature I guess

Rethinking this I can see where a drag queen might be dangerous in a crowd.

Sorry but this is just insane and should be treated as such. I don't mean us here. The tools that came up with this bizarre idea.

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: Stormdancer777

Yes, because he has always been a Woman.. without understanding the science behind Transgender i can see why it might be confusing, but if Caitlyn has always been attracted to Woman than she would identify as Lesbian

I think he is kinda unsure of it himself, Diane asked him if he thought he would prefer men if he fully transitioned, he said maybe, he also said he wasn't sure he would fully transition to female.

Anyway I am looking forward to the show, I want to understand.

I think it starts soon, is it tomorrow?

a reply to: intrepid

That's a pretty racey post.

har

a reply to: Stormdancer777

To be honest, i don't know how much insight you are going to get on a Reality show, there are some good Documentaries that explain better and more in-depth.