The Attorney General just admitted that the Federal Government commited a Hate Crime

This is getting annoying and it's ridiculous.

Sex/Birth control is NOT a luxury.

We have people saying, "pay for your own BC, pay for your own ____." It's a stupid argument that fails to address the real problems and issues and is a convenient argument.

These people are probably also saying "pay for you own health insurance, pay for your own _______."

People will always be poor. People, in a prosperous society, DESERVE to be as well as possible. Health is IMPORTANT. They deserve to be able to go to the doctor if they can't afford it. People deserve to have access to BC because people WILL have sex. The argument, "well you shouldn't have sex if you can't afford the consequences" is Bull simply because sex is natural, is not a "luxury" like cigarettes or alcohol, is healthy, and some people simply can't afford afford to give children a decent enough life or care for them. THAT is a reason why BC is a good thing, and why it's good for society. Just like wy healthcare is good for society. Wake up people.

People who have a problem with basic services to their own fellow citizens are the ones who have a problem, because they're so concerned about other people "leeching" than the true problems and issues at hand.

ETA:

Sorry but I don't see a link where I can read about what the OP is talking about. But based upon the OP, why is there a comparison to Roof and Nun's and BC? A religious BELIEF is not being violated in the caseof the nuns. It's about equal access under law which doesn't involve murder (roof)

a reply to: BlueJacket

Ignorance does not make an argument....its also science.

Ya, that is what snake oil sales men said too.

Got this problem, well here is your answer!
I just happen to be selling exact thing you nee!

And I have credentials myself buddy.

Would you mind sharing?
Of course you are not obligated to, just wondering if you would.

a reply to: Violater1

If they didn't have to fill out the form, then ANOTHER entity would NOT cover the cost baby murdering drug.

Ah, argument from ignorance, that is great.

If they and your self don't know how contraception works then what is the point?f

All this because some one who works for them wants to get some meds like the rest of the world.

Holy jebus.
Oh and can my question get answered now?

I'll ask again so you don't have to go back a page.

Why is this a hate crime if they are not getting singled out but getting a standard applied to them like everyone else?

originally posted by: Violater1
The reason of their challenge is that, by saying so, they become complicit—because then others will make sure that their employees have coverage.

So, by signing a form that says they WILL NOT cover birth control, they are, in effect, "allowing" people to get birth control elsewhere?

So, they're trying to control, not only their employees PRIVATE medical care, but what OTHER companies do, too?

Fine them! Throw the book at them! Christians cannot control the world. They must obey the same laws the rest of us obey. If they don't want to provide birth control, they don't have to. Filling out a form is NOT providing birth control and is NOT against the Catholic religion. If they can't do that, let them pay the penalty or tax or fine.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Violater1
The reason of their challenge is that, by saying so, they become complicit—because then others will make sure that their employees have coverage.

So, by signing a form that says they WILL NOT cover birth control, they are, in effect, "allowing" people to get birth control elsewhere?

So, they're trying to control, not only their employees PRIVATE medical care, but what OTHER companies do, too?

Fine them! Throw the book at them! Christians cannot control the world. They must obey the same laws the rest of us obey. If they don't want to provide birth control, they don't have to. Filling out a form is NOT providing birth control and is NOT against the Catholic religion. If they can't do that, let them pay the penalty or tax or fine.

By the stars that I have received:
1.the majority believes that this is an infringement on our Constitutional Rights.
2. Fine Them!?? Burn them at the stake!?? This is not the first time that satanic hatred has lifted it's ugly fist against Christians. Just stop being a hater.

originally posted by: Violater1
By the stars that I have received:
1.the majority believes that this is an infringement on our Constitutional Rights.

The majority of ATS members who have read your thread, maybe. I have learned that ATS is not representative of the nation as a whole.

2. Fine Them!?? Burn them at the stake!?? This is not the first time that satanic hatred has lifted it's ugly fist against Christians. Just stop being a hater.

Did I say, "Burn them at the stake"??? "Satanic hatred" LOL! WTF are you talking about???

I said we all have to follow the same laws. Clearly you think Christians should have "special rights" and those who disagree with you are exercising "satanic hatred"! That's just funny, man!

Bottom line, filling out a form isn't against their religion. They don't get special rights. Sorry.

a reply to: Violater1

Well you are using the recipe for stars and flags on ATS.

Cry victim from being religious and throw in some boo obama and whammo, got some staras.

I bet you consider your self a libertarian, how is someone else dictating what they can or can not have not a invasion of their personal liberty?

Licensed physician you?


a reply to: Sremmos80

a reply to: BlueJacket

Calm down there Doc. No reason for the

I just asked if you would share, I thank you for doing so.

I am not a licensed physician, just someone that has worked in the medical field for a while and have heard what BC is used for.
From both Pharmacist and Docs.

I will always be weary when some one post an article that says how bad something is but at the end has the "But have no worry, buy this product and you will be saved!"

Was in sales long enough as well to know that trick.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Violater1
By the stars that I have received:
1.the majority believes that this is an infringement on our Constitutional Rights.

The majority of ATS members who have read your thread, maybe. I have learned that ATS is not representative of the nation as a whole.

2. Fine Them!?? Burn them at the stake!?? This is not the first time that satanic hatred has lifted it's ugly fist against Christians. Just stop being a hater.

Did I say, "Burn them at the stake"??? "Satanic hatred" LOL! WTF are you talking about???

I said we all have to follow the same laws. Clearly you think Christians should have "special rights" and those who disagree with you are exercising "satanic hatred"! That's just funny, man!

Bottom line, filling out a form isn't against their religion. They don't get special rights. Sorry.

Your entitled to your erroneous opinion, and I can understand that. What I can't understand is how you and a very few others (and very active on their keyboards) are blind to the fact that a double standard is now implicated by the A.G. Because of the squeeeeeeky and boisterous few, are country is spiraling down out of control.

originally posted by: Violater1
What I can't understand is how you and a very few others (and very active on their keyboards) are blind to the fact that a double standard is now implicated by the A.G.

Maybe if you explain the double standard, I would not be so blind. I'm not at all sure what double standard you see happening.

The nuns have the choice of saying, "We will provide contraceptive coverage" OR they can say "We refuse to provide contraceptive coverage because that's against our religion." All they have to do is sign a waiver. But because that waiver gives a third party the opportunity to cover contraception, they are refusing to sign it. They are trying to have total control on whether or not their employees have access to contraception. They cannot legally do that.

Where's the double standard?

a reply to: Violater1

You refuse to show the double standard.

I have asked you I think five times now how it is a hate crime when they are not being singled out.

They are having a standard that everyone has applied to them.

a reply to: Violater1

It is not only against my religion to save you from drowning, but my religion requires me to withhold information from rescuers and sue for the right to obstruct them in helping you.
It's not my conduct that God will hold me accountable for, but my success in controlling what happens to your body. So I will be making your life and death decisions for you from now on, because your pretty civil rights are secondary to my religious freedom.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Do you remember the exemptions that were handed out like candy when this junk bill got passed?

If we are going to hold religious rights feet to the fire shouldn't those supporters that got exemptions be forced to play by the same rules?

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Do you remember the exemptions that were handed out like candy when this junk bill got passed?

No, I don't. I'm not that familiar with this particular law. What exemptions are you referring to that would or should apply to these business owners (the nuns)?

If we are going to hold religious rights feet to the fire shouldn't those supporters that got exemptions be forced to play by the same rules?

If by holding their feet to the fire, you mean obeying the laws of this country, then everyone's feet are being held to that same fire, not just the religious right. Yes, everyone should play by the same rules. That's kind of the point I've been making.

As I understand it, all employers (not churches and other narrow exceptions), have to provide normal health care (that includes contraception coverage) to their employees. If the employer has a religious objection, there are circumstances that allow them to "opt-out" of paying for it. These nuns can opt-out.

The final rule exempts only non-profit organizations deemed by the Tax Code to be “churches, their integrated auxiliaries, and conventions or associations of churches.” Also exempted are “the exclusively religious activities of any religious order.” No other religious organization is exempt.

FAQ on Little Sisters Lawsuit

Taking care of the elderly is not an exclusively religious activity.

Little Sisters Taking it to the Supreme Court

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Fair enough, I hadn't read up on the law in some time, most of the exemptions were called "bridges" for up to 2 years, not outright exemptions.

Though the way it reads to me congress and their staff still have a different set of rules than the rest of the country, whether or not it's an exemption depends on if your a Democrat or not in my opinion.

a reply to: Irishhaf

Though the way it reads to me congress and their staff still have a different set of rules than the rest of the country, whether or not it's an exemption depends on if your a Democrat or not in my opinion.

Well it is an opinion not set in facts.

Unless you can show them.
Well congress does have a different set of rules then the rest of us, but it has nothing to do with political parties.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
Though the way it reads to me congress and their staff still have a different set of rules than the rest of the country, whether or not it's an exemption depends on if your a Democrat or not in my opinion.

1. Congress is not exempt from Obamacare (if that's what you're saying). They are treated differently by the law because of a GOP amendment to the law.
2. I am not a Democrat, but I don't see how that's relevant.

Back in 2010, Sen. Chuck Grassley, (R-Iowa) proposed an amendment that required lawmakers and their employees to buy insurance on the exchange marketplaces. Democrats, confident ObamaCare would work, gladly accepted the idea.
...
So yes, lamwkers and their staffs are being treated differently under the law. But only because of a Republican plan that singled them out in the first place.

For the Last Time, Congress is NOT Exempt from Obamacare

This discussion is educating me. So thanks!

originally posted by: Sremmos80
Well congress does have a different set of rules then the rest of us, but it has nothing to do with political parties.

And religious employers have a different set of rules than the rest of us... They're ALREADY getting special treatment, but it's just not enough for some. They want complete control over whether or not their employees have access to contraceptives at all.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Ya, and they are usually the small gov personal freedom types to boot.

That is your double standard.