Flat Earth Believers, I would like to hear your ideas.

a reply to: MatterOfPerspective

so - if its not a sphere - what is it

and if it does not reflect sunlight - what do we see ?

as for tidal locking - its simple science - google it - i have just recieved the docs i needed for a project - so - no time to spoon feed trolls

a reply to: MatterOfPerspective

PS - what ever it is - its aspect would change according to the flat earth delusion - hint - look at a circular window drom multiple angles - oops its apparent shape changes

bad flat earthy delusion - failed again

originally posted by: MatterOfPerspective
a reply to: ignorant_ape

no - you answer the question - evasivive dishonesty is tiresome and as YOU raise the issue - you explain whaty the moon is

It's not a sphere either and it is not reflecting light.

PS - the current model of a tidally locked body at 250 thousand KM orbit - explains all onservations

No, not all.

Why is it tidally locked? Coincidence?

No -- it isn't a coincidence; it's physics. Tidal locking is a natural effect of a system of orbiting bodies, and is caused by the torque applied by the gravitational pull of one body on tidal bulges bulges in an orbiting body (bulges resulting from tidal forces).

The Moon is not the only tidally-locked body in our solar system; there are over 30 more moons known to be tidally locked, and many more are though to be. The two moons of Mars, Phobos and Deimos, are tidally locked to Mars. The four Galilean moons of Jupiter (Io, Europa, Ganymede, and Callisto) are tidally locked to Jupiter, as well are several other Jovian moons. Enceladus, Titan, and over a dozen more of Saturn's moons are tidal locked. Uranus and Neptune each have several moons that are tidally locked.

Pluto and Charon are tidally locked to each other, so Charon always presents only one face to Pluto and Pluto always presents only one face to Charon. The result of this is that Charon appears to hang totally motionless in the sky of Pluto -- never moving, while Pluto appears to hang motionless in the sky of Charon, also never moving.

There are exoplanets (planets around other stars outside our solar system) that are thought to be tidally locked to their star. That would mean those planets would have one side in perpetual day and the other side in perpetual night.


The mechanisms and physics behind tidal locking is understood and is not a mystery.

What is Tidal Locking?

Excerpts:

...in the ancient past, shortly after its formation, the moon was spinning rapidly. This meant that the part of the moon bulged towards us was changing constantly, like water tides on Earth.

Vast amounts of rock need to shift and change shape to bulge towards the Earth and then settle down again, and this takes time. The position of the bulges on the moon were always a little out of alignment with the pull of gravity of the Earth.
These bulges acted like handles that the Earth's gravity could grab onto, and torque it back into place. Over time, the Earth's gravity slowed down the rotation speed of the moon until it stopped, forever.

Over time (a very large amount of time), our Moon would actually cause the Earth to become tidally locked to the Moon -- creating a system very similar to the Pluto-Charon system, where both bodies are tidally locked to each other. This is only "theoretically" true, because the calculated timescale of this happening -- 50 billion years -- is longer than the life of the solar system. The Earth and Moon may not even be around in 50 billion years, but if they were, then the Earth would become tidally locked to the Moon.

Because of its smaller mass, our moon became tidally locked to the Earth billions of years ago. Now the process is continuing to make the Earth tidally locked to the moon as well.

In the distant distant future, the moon will stop moving in the sky, and hang motionless, visible from only half the Earth.
How distant? In about 50 billion years, long after the sun has died, the Earth and the moon will finally be tidally locked to each other...

If you are looking for more detailed explanation about tidal locking that includes a few basic calculations as to how long it would take for a body to become tidally locked, then look here

slideplayer.com...

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

All of those theories you just mentioned, depend on the earth being a globe, and all of those principles are built in order to explain a globe. A simple observation will prove that curvature does not exist, thus the earth is not a globe, all that speculation of space, vacuum, dark matter, dark energy, big bang and the expanding universe falls apart, it becomes nothing, but a speculation that people have built careers upon.

Simple observation, with a true terrestrial reference and the globe goes out the window with all its formulas.

originally posted by: NNN87
a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

All of those theories you just mentioned, depend on the earth being a globe, and all of those principles are built in order to explain a globe. A simple observation will prove that curvature does not exist, thus the earth is not a globe, all that speculation of space, vacuum, dark matter, dark energy, big bang and the expanding universe falls apart, it becomes nothing, but a speculation that people have built careers upon.

Simple observation, with a true terrestrial reference and the globe goes out the window with all its formulas.

Well, no. The principles are built to explain tidal locking of orbital bodies -- any orbital bodies (such as Ganymede orbiting Jupiter or Pluto and Charon orbiting each other). It's not as if tidal locking is being used to prove that Earth is a spheroid, but rather the other way around.

There are many other observable reasons why the Earth is known to be a spheroid, such as "why does the Sun appear to be basically the same size in the sky from sunrise to sunset?" The same question could be asked about the Moon rising from and setting to below the horizon. It also explain parallax and it explains why we see different constellations in the winter nighttime sky as opposed to the constellations we see in the Summer nighttime sky.

It also explains why a flight from Chile to Sydney Australia is shorter than a flight from Los Angeles to Sydney. On the flat-Earth maps I have seen, the Los Angeles to Sydney flight should be about 30% shorter -- but it isn't.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

Again, idea of planets and stars being what we are told they are, comes from the idea that earth is a globe, it is not the other way around.

Sun setting and rising has everything to do with atmosphere, perspective and the natural laws of optics. Some have simulated this in a program, the results are only a theory but show exactly what we see on terrestrial level.

Now i base my beliefs on the original observation. Which is in mine, and everyones ability to do so equally.

We cannot take a gps device on a flight, it is illegal. Your estimates are based on a projection which does not have accurate proportions.

From a flat earthers perspective and all the research that comes with it, suggests that we do not have an updated projection, for any. Concerning land beyond the poles, it is only on books that it is mentioned, but being the case that earth is flat, there are hints of land beyond the ''ends'' of the globe model, especially south, what Abizaid suggests is the new proportions have not been updated, do to many corporations and banks, not to mention religious organizations having already built such a large industry out of the globe idea.

But it's just a book and a computer program for reference, all in all the terrestrial observation stands true to the flat plane.

originally posted by: NNN87
a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

We cannot take a gps device on a flight, it is illegal.

That's an absolute lie.

You can take a GPS on a Flight and turn it on whenever you want, there is no policy or law saying you have to turn the GPS function off your Mobile phone inflight.

Stop spreading fud, you liar.

a reply to: NNN87

Again, idea of planets and stars being what we are told they are, comes from the idea that earth is a globe, it is not the other way around.

No... it comes from observations, which we have been doing for hundreds of years...

But of course... Everyone was wrong for all this time... Only you crackpots got it right

get real bud

a reply to: NNN87

We cannot take a gps device on a flight, it is illegal. Your estimates are based on a projection which does not have accurate proportions.

Yes you can. Most airlines have no issues at all with GPS devices on board a flight as long as they are off during take off and landings.

Like many other electronic devices, they are okay to have on during flight.

originally posted by: eriktheawful
a reply to: NNN87

We cannot take a gps device on a flight, it is illegal. Your estimates are based on a projection which does not have accurate proportions.

Yes you can. Most airlines have no issues at all with GPS devices on board a flight as long as they are off during take off and landings.

Like many other electronic devices, they are okay to have on during flight.

The FCC bands all cellular activity during most flights, even I'f you turn on your gps on the phone breaking the law, it's only a receiver from land towers. LORAN system, why do all flights in the southern hemisphere disappear off radar?
Two the flight times on planes differs by 2hours or more in any direction.

Yeah you can can take a DVD player and what not, but no, the FCC prohibits the use of cellular phones.

a reply to: NNN87

You REALLY need to pay attention to what someone posts: I never said "cell phones" now did ?

Nope. I said "GPS Devices"

Take a look

Which devices can customers use during all phases of flight?

Customers may use AM/FM or satellite radios; digital and video cameras; calculators; Delta-installed equipment such as in-flight entertainment systems; DVD players*; e-readers; electric shavers; electronic/digital watches; global positioning system (GPS) receivers; handheld computer games; headphones; laptop computers*; medical devices**; noise reduction headphones; portable media players*; pagers, smartphones and any device with cellular network service must be turned off or in airplane mode; tablets and wireless keyboards or mouse from gate to gate on Delta flights within the U.S.

That's from Delta Airlines.

Majority of airlines do not have an issue (nor does the FCC) with passengers operating a GPS only device while in flight. There are some that have stricter rules, but by no means all of them for sure.

Also keep in mind: FCC is a US government department. It does not dictate to other countries around the world. They have their own set of rules for their own airlines.

You really need to pay attention.

originally posted by: NNN87

originally posted by: eriktheawful
a reply to: NNN87

We cannot take a gps device on a flight, it is illegal. Your estimates are based on a projection which does not have accurate proportions.

Yes you can. Most airlines have no issues at all with GPS devices on board a flight as long as they are off during take off and landings.

Like many other electronic devices, they are okay to have on during flight.

The FCC bands all cellular activity during most flights, even I'f you turn on your gps on the phone breaking the law, it's only a receiver from land towers. LORAN system, why do all flights in the southern hemisphere disappear off radar?
Two the flight times on planes differs by 2hours or more in any direction.

Yeah you can can take a DVD player and what not, but no, the FCC prohibits the use of cellular phones.

You're lying again.

Just stop it, GPS works perfectly fine and is permitted to be used on any airline, unless that one airline has a policy against it, which I don't know of one that does.

People track there international flights via GPS every damn day, they are not blocked by any means, and I know it, I do the same damn thing.

Stop f'in lying about this.

a reply to: eriktheawful

Holy what, awww damn. You know, i did not update my information on that since 2009, i could have mapped out so many flights since then, wow that's a shame i even have a gps reciever.

Well that's nice to know actually, i am reading on it, but i haven't seen anyone mapping out any flight paths, according to their personal gps device. Since the data would have to be uploaded first then mapped out, awww dang it.

Well i guess next trip then, sorry for the old reference, i can admit it was out of date.

See people, NNN87 is the full definition of the word Liar.

They will lie and say untruthful crap, then you ask them a question to answer and they will gloss over it and tell you a story instead, and they will come out with a straight out LIE and when they are called out on it, they will make up a story that they haven't updated there information since 2009 even though you could use Navigation systems before that date and will ignore you.

When facts and lies are pointed out they will ignore and gloss over it, this person is still trying to argue in the LUDICROUS ONLINE LIES section and does not realize even though it's stated we are doing this for fun so they can dig there hoe even bigger.

This person is just one big liar, they are being deliberately deceptive and spreading misinformation, everything they say is a lie and when you point it out, they decide to dig the hole bigger.

If they knew how GPS, Glosnass etc worked and understood how to read the navigation data sent out to a device, they would never even think of a flat earth crap, they are being deliberately deceptive and making up lies.

a reply to: MuonToGluon

That was a beautiful irrelevant display of words there, so if a person admits to a fault that makes him a liar?

If i knew which i do now, hell yeah i would have mapped out a path, it will be fun, pricey but if one is going on a trip why not, i sure will keep that in mind next time.

Don't know about everything you said, no one has debunked the land based observation or the laser test, which isn't my own but actually in just a few days i will try it myself.

You also for some reason had to add a whole bunch of assumptions about me personally, you have any manners? What does the threads title or where it is have to do with curvature?

And if it is for fun as you say, why the obvious frustration? If it is as you say for fun, it is for you right? You know that you are regurgitating lies with the whole space and globe ideas, big bang, all that crap.

Any of you test the curvature yet, i admit i have not mapped out a flight path yet due to lack of information based on old reference, you try the experiment yet?

a reply to: Phage

the flat earth cult " explaination " for GPS =

" land based towers "

i am not making this up - thats the level of idiocy we face

PS - dont ask them to give locations - that would be too hard

a reply to: ignorant_ape

Yeah. I know. That's why I decided I didn't want to get involved...again.
LORAN isn't used anymore, but hell, actually it is because they are lying.

a reply to: NNN87

Nope, I don't need to do it.

1) I've seen the curve with my own eyes from flights above 40k feet in altitude.

2) My radar system in the US Navy, AN/SPS-48C, 3D radar, tracking aircraft out quite far from my ship. Angle of theta from the beam of the radar would show altitudes of maybe 1000 feet at 100 miles away, and yet, their actual altitude was up to 20,000 feet because the system takes the curve of the Earth into account.....and pilots IFF and themselves reporting that same altitude.......that wouldn't work if the Earth was flat.

3) Cruise missile system I also worked on: Harpoon (RGM-84D) is a "over the horizon" weapon. Cruises at a very low altitude. 60 miles away and observers are able to report it still at that altitude, and yet tracking systems on board our ships show that it's "dipped" below the horizon......that's funny.....they are not torpedoes, they have to fly. What would make them appear to literally dip below the horizon? Oh that's right: because the Earth's surface is curved.

4) As I mentioned, ex US Navy here. Rather fun to watch cities slowly "sink" into the ocean as we move away from them, especially the sky scrapers. Rather wild to see only the tallest building sticking up above the horizon. Quite fun to watch them either sink as we leave, or rise up slowly as we approach them.

5) Radar and Land: that's cool too. You get to watch on the screen as the land mass disappears from the screen.....well within range of the radar....which means either the land is truly sinking below the waves because you know when my radar can see out to 220 nautical miles, if the Earth really was flat, it would still show up just fine.....or maybe, ahhhhh....the curve of the Earth makes it to where the RF beam can no longer give me the land painted anymore.....funny how it can still see the planes taking off and landing at that local airport though...you know....where the land disappeared?

originally posted by: NNN87
a reply to: MuonToGluon

That was a beautiful irrelevant display of words there, so if a person admits to a fault that makes him a liar?

If i knew which i do now, hell yeah i would have mapped out a path, it will be fun, pricey but if one is going on a trip why not, i sure will keep that in mind next time.

Don't know about everything you said, no one has debunked the land based observation or the laser test, which isn't my own but actually in just a few days i will try it myself.

You also for some reason had to add a whole bunch of assumptions about me personally, you have any manners? What does the threads title or where it is have to do with curvature?

And if it is for fun as you say, why the obvious frustration? If it is as you say for fun, it is for you right? You know that you are regurgitating lies with the whole space and globe ideas, big bang, all that crap.

Any of you test the curvature yet, i admit i have not mapped out a flight path yet due to lack of information based on old reference, you try the experiment yet?

I'm not frustrated with you, I am being blunt with you, I am calling out your lies, I have no need to be frustrated with a compulsive liar.

As I have said to another person on this forum who advocated for people to stop their chemotherapy treatment and use snake oil instead; I choose when I have manners, and with people like you, I choose not to display and share my manners with liars such as yourself.

PS; I have tested curvature, in the cockpit of a 747, and I saw the curvature even better when I got to experience a flight in the cockpit of a Mig (It's the closest I will ever get to see space before I go), I have seen it first hand, I do not need any more proof then my own eyes.