Flat Earth Believers, I would like to hear your ideas.

originally posted by: Akragon
I think a lot of people are waiting for answers that will never come...

Im still waiting on how planetary retrograde works on a flat earth model

There are no answers here... no logic...

just delusions...

The knowledge of celestial bodies or lights are based in the idea that earth is a sphere, celestial observations have nothing to do with earth, there is too much optical and natural atmospheric obscurity for anyone to actually know what they are looking at, simple laws of lenses, perspective and atmosphere.

''In a complicated world, the solutions are embarrassingly simple''- Bill Mollison.

originally posted by: NNN87

originally posted by: Akragon
I think a lot of people are waiting for answers that will never come...

Im still waiting on how planetary retrograde works on a flat earth model

There are no answers here... no logic...

just delusions...

The knowledge of celestial bodies or lights are based in the idea that earth is a sphere, celestial observations have nothing to do with earth, there is too much optical and natural atmospheric obscurity for anyone to actually know what they are looking at, simple laws of lenses, perspective and atmosphere.

''In a complicated world, the solutions are embarrassingly simple''- Bill Mollison.

What?

When I look at this Photo taken by an amature astrophotographer/anyone with a camera and telescope, I can clearly know and see what I am looking at, and know from the calculation of the photons and the speed at which they were captured the distance that they came from and the shape and calculations of this planet and the numerous moons around it.

Saturn - Photo Taken by a regular Joe
Andromeda Galaxy Taken by a Regular Joe

Every damn thing you say is absolute BS: I can calculate with certainty the distance and size of these objects taken in the photo by the speed of the photons, the wavelength, everything.

You can't even get your 1st Grade kid, perspective right.

a reply to: MuonToGluon

what it is trying to claim now is that observations , measurements and telescopes only work if you are staring out to sea from the beach of an alledged flat eaerth

fooking hysterical

a reply to: NNN87

what utter bollox - i used YOUR number - which you now attempt to disown because it anhialates your argument

a reply to: MuonToGluon

It's not complicated at all, no insults or ridicule necessary. All telescopes and lenses are designed after the natural optic lenses.

Perspective is a natural law of eyesight, it creates the appeared horizon, it creates the illusion of ships or distant objects disappearing. Even a tunnel long enough viewd from one end, will make the other side appear round, isolated and smaller, when in reality it is none of those things, it is the nature of eyesight.

When viewing distant illuminated objects through atmosphere and a lenses that suffers from exactly the same natural laws as eyesight is magnified. The appearance of isolation and roundness is due to purely perspective, and natural limits of eyesight.

You can all search or even go to a library and pick up any textbook on the optical lenses, it will explain its function better then i can. So will visual perspective, atmospheric and so on.

Distant lights anyone sees, are due to natural limits, and obviously great distance involved, i don't think it's millions or billions though.

Again, curvature calculations are based on limited perspective. They did not have zoom cameras, or the binoculars we have today, which with even their limits, we can still make solid, and physical observations using water, proving that all Copernican formulas are based on illusions.

Nothing wrong with that, they had limits we don't today. It would only take an hour or so for one to see that upon multiple observations, curvature formula does not stand up to what we are told.

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: NNN87

what utter bollox - i used YOUR number - which you now attempt to disown because it anhialates your argument

Its not my number, its the number for half the diameter of earth roughly, but using the exact same formula on a flat surface one can get an ESTIMATED same number for the apparent suns location.

Again, nothing of value.

a reply to: NNN87

but YOU cited it - and then bailed

the dishonesty is yours alone

originally posted by: ignorant_ape
a reply to: NNN87

but YOU cited it - and then bailed

the dishonesty is yours alone

Bailed out of what? And how does that prove anything or anyway shape or form important. You literally have nothing else to say, and grasping on to things that i have to again type in one more time.

One way, you can get the diameter of earth assuming curvature is what it is said to be. Or if it is a flat surface you will get the same results hut pointing up, giving the sun the distance that we are told is half the diameter of earth.

What dishonesty? Have something of value to say or don't say anything at all. If you are going to cling to every coma and period say and just use that to waste thread space, please stop.

originally posted by: NNN87

originally posted by: Akragon
I think a lot of people are waiting for answers that will never come...

Im still waiting on how planetary retrograde works on a flat earth model

There are no answers here... no logic...

just delusions...

The knowledge of celestial bodies or lights are based in the idea that earth is a sphere, celestial observations have nothing to do with earth, there is too much optical and natural atmospheric obscurity for anyone to actually know what they are looking at, simple laws of lenses, perspective and atmosphere.

''In a complicated world, the solutions are embarrassingly simple''- Bill Mollison.

Well we all know where you're pulling this stuff out of....

But you didn't answer the question...

Why do planets reverse direction in your flat earth delusion?

originally posted by: Akragon

originally posted by: NNN87

originally posted by: Akragon
I think a lot of people are waiting for answers that will never come...

Im still waiting on how planetary retrograde works on a flat earth model

There are no answers here... no logic...

just delusions...

The knowledge of celestial bodies or lights are based in the idea that earth is a sphere, celestial observations have nothing to do with earth, there is too much optical and natural atmospheric obscurity for anyone to actually know what they are looking at, simple laws of lenses, perspective and atmosphere.

''In a complicated world, the solutions are embarrassingly simple''- Bill Mollison.

Well we all know where you're pulling this stuff out of....

But you didn't answer the question...

Why do planets reverse direction in your flat earth delusion?

I only assume that ''planets'' or their movement's or even constellations and galaxies are only but a fraction of what we can see, so only the illuminated portion, and a fraction of it due to natural perspective laws. So i am not saying no one can actually travel up, and what we are seeing are not surfaces. But it's hard to tell considering the amount of obscurity naturally involved.

Movement could easily be due to atmospheric or even gaseous or thicker layers causing the effect, such phenomena can be tested using water and lights or even fog and such at ground level.

It doesn't change the fact that one can travel up, i believe rockets are still used for their intended purposes.

The only thing a globe, dome or firmament idea creates is isolation, which is inherently what we see naturally when viewing the celestial surface. So keeping up with the idea would also be easier, the matter of our position in the universe is being questioned again, that is all.

a reply to: NNN87

once again i shall quote the eratosthenes experiment

which measured the shadow of the sun and offered 2 explainations :

1 - the earth was a sphere with the sun at a great distance

2 - the earth was flat with the sun 3000km above the plane [ observations of the sun and moon disproove this hypothesis ]

ergo the earth is a sphereoid

thats ground level naked eye observations

so whats the earth sun , or eath moon distance again ????

a reply to: NNN87

I only assume that ''planets'' or their movement's or even constellations and galaxies are only but a fraction of what we can see, so only the illuminated portion, and a fraction of it due to natural perspective laws. So i am not saying no one can actually travel up, and what we are seeing are not surfaces. But it's hard to tell considering the amount of obscurity naturally involved.

Which basically means absolutely nothing... but we're getting somewhere... maybe

We can travel up... *clap* ...... *clap*

Movement could easily be due to atmospheric or even gaseous or thicker layers causing the effect, such phenomena can be tested using water and lights or even fog and such at ground level.

Or perhaps.... planets in their orbits?

It doesn't change the fact that one can travel up, i believe rockets are still used for their intended purposes.

More progress.... Good for you...

Rockets are used to.... Thats right!! To get Satellites into "orbit" around the planet

The only thing a globe, dome or firmament idea creates is isolation, which is inherently what we see naturally when viewing the celestial surface.

lol theres no dome... Get your head out of the bible man...

So keeping up with the idea would also be easier, the matter of our position in the universe is being questioned again, that is all.

Yeah... we have a pretty good idea of where we are in our galaxy

Just like we know the earth isn't flat...

And you still didn't answer the question... you just danced around it

a reply to: Akragon

No i answered it, just isn't what you want to hear.

The celestial sky may well be just as this observable terrestrial surface, flat. But at the distances involved the celestial sky appears to be full of isolated spheres or round lights due to natural laws of the optical lense, when it could be a surface, such as this. Only obscured by its own atmosphere such as ours and localized ''lights'' or so they appear.

Different atmospheres and elements will obviously create different colours, so we see different textures on so called ''planets'', but keep in mind, only a very small fraction of the already obscured light, which at great distance appeared round due to natural laws.

I don't believe in satellites, with flat surface a drone is all one needs, rockets may be traveling to the actuall surface across, as anyone would do going south. Since the true surface can only be observed in true detail close to terrestrial level, we are just not shown reality, people would have to change more than 400 years of the Copernican formula and all that is based on it, not a cheap thing to do.

BUt with a simple terrestrial observation can be proven to be wrong, and cheap, so we can all move on.

Have any of you even tried the observation?

a reply to: NNN87

Sorry man, Your answers are nonsense....

Saying i don't believe in satellites is the same as saying i don't believe in planes, or cars... We can see them flying by on a clear night... i have seen hundreds with the naked eye, just as you've seen planes fly over head or cars driving by

And again, You STILL haven't answered the question...

Why do planets Or lights as you call them reverse direction... Theres only one answer

Unless you use "God did it"... which is an invalid answer

So are your so called "tests"... they're completely ridiculous... You can't test to see the curvature of the earth from 6km over a lake.

And no one is going to try your "tests" either... people are basically sticking this thread out to see how deep of a hole you're willing to dig with this idiocy

a reply to: Akragon

Why do planets Or lights as you call them reverse direction... Theres only one answer

Hand o' God?

a reply to: NNN87

do you even believe your own crap ?

Movement could easily be due to atmospheric or even gaseous or thicker layers causing the effect, such phenomena can be tested using water and lights or even fog and such at ground level.

that is the fooking stupidest thing i read - since your last reply

funny how this magic "phenonemon " doesnt affect you peering out across lakes and oceans

but - to re-iterate Akragons ACTUAL question which concerened :

the percieved retrograde motion of planets

he didnt specify - but lets stick to mars - as its the best observable example - and can be naked eye observed

so - now exactly does this "magic " of yours - cause mars and ONLY mars to show retrograde motion - while the starfeild beyond it behaves as expected ????????????

i shall get popcorn - i expect this " explaination " to be hilarious

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Akragon

Why do planets Or lights as you call them reverse direction... Theres only one answer

Hand o' God?

heheh... yeah i already covered that a few times

a reply to: Akragon

Yeah. But not with such catchy phraseology.

Marketing!

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Akragon

Yeah. But not with such catchy phraseology.

Marketing!

haha... let me try then

And the lord sayith thus... Thou red celestial body... ye shall not increase across the sky but halt and decrease... and proceed back into the depths from whenst ye came... So that ye may appear another night... and perhaps even cross the blackness that is night
Akragonus 4:20

a reply to: NNN87

You might not believe in satellites, but they certainly believe in you. I saw one last night.
This is getting pathetic. No, wait, it already was.