Flat Earth Believers, I would like to hear your ideas.

a reply to: iDope

The vid I posted a few up the line shows that the earth does not spin .

a reply to: the2ofusr1

I watched that vid but I don't think it is very good. it doesn't explain the tilt in the globular Earth theory as I can tell. It explains how the sun should move without the tilt of about 23 degrees in place.

a reply to: iDope

Explain the reasons behind coriolis force if the earth does not spin. Relating to which, explain why winds circulate in opposite directions around low pressure systems in the southern hemisphere if the world is flat.

a reply to: iDope

The thing is ,is that the sun is going around in a circle as you can tell by the person filming it .Watch the ground and the sun . If the sun was at a distance then it would not go around but would move left to right , back and forth . try it againg and follow along to how the guy is explaining it . It took me awhile to see what was actually happening . It makes perfect sense if the earth is stationary and the sun is going around .

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: tsurfer2000h

The hypothesis of a ball earth goes way back and yes the ships seemingly to disappear over the horizon was part of that at the time but they were either using a weak telescope at the time or just their eyes . It has more to do with what is known as the vanishing point and can be extended using more powerful telescopes so what seemed to vanish back in the day can be seen today . Now the guts to this ball earth lies not in some crazy calculations based on millions of miles with things travelling at thousands of miles a hour but on simple math of the curve of the earth over distance and looking at that .

The curve to the ball earth is like building 7 to the 911 deal . deal with the curve first and then we can start to look at other issues and things .

That post just dropped the mean intelligence level of this board considerably. As a professional mariner I can tell you that whether one uses their eyes, binoculars or a powerful telescope a large vessel will appear progressively on the horizon from top down. You will first see its masts, then the upper superstructure, eventually followed by the hull.

One can easily even calculate the exact range to an observers visible horizon which is based entirely upon their height above ground. At sea level I have a visible horizon of approximately 3 miles (to another object at sea level). On my oil tanker with an observation height of approx 30 metres I can see the same object at around d 12 miles.


The propagation characteristics of line of sight radio waves (such as vhf radios or uhf television signals) calculate exactly. Even my shipborne radar. That has a detection range of 2.21 x square root of the antenna height in metres. A flat earth can't explain those phenomena.

a reply to: cheesyleps

Using the calculations of the curve over a 5 to 6 mile distance on water will show that you can still see a small row boat which would be impossible on a curved earth . Looking at a 30 mile horizon of a city with tall building would show buildings not going up parallel to one another but deviating to compensate for the curve at distance . We don't see that as I pointed out looking at Istanbul Turkey . The principal can be seen in that 1/4 around the earth that a building would be at a 90% angle while on the opposite side of the earth it would be upside down compared to where I am . It will vary over distance but you dont see 1/4 or 1/2 half way around the earth but you can see a 30 mile stretch with water with strait lines and no tilting of tall buildings a impossibility on a ball earth .

originally posted by: iDope

various posts containing "NASA this", "CGI that" etc

Not trying to misquote you here ^ I'm just trying to reply to a lot of your posts at once.

You have to realise that NASA isn't the only space agency, that anyone can see the Sun & Moon and that people knew the Earth was round and orbited the Sun at considerable distance way before NASA existed?

You discredit ANY footage / photos of Earth and CGI fakes, you even dismissed footage of Jupiter spinning earlier in the thread as a CGI fake. How is anyone supposed to convince you that the Earth is not flat if you automatically dismiss actual footage of Earth as CGI fakery?

If I claimed to have sent a camera up on a rocket and my footage showed a flat earth and small Sun, would you automatically scream "FAKE!" then? What if it showed a round Earth?

It seems you WANT the Earth to be flat and won't have it any other way. Why? Religious reasons?

a reply to: pfishy

Well I see what you mean I never figured out how people can convince themselves this is true. I e never scene scientific ex-wife cd to support the claim. So I guess I tend to think it's more a matter of beliefs. Because you indeed could verify this yourself with a weather ballon and a camera. High schools have been known to put a camera up there.

This leads me to believe the support is religious in nature. But being humans we can convince ourselves almost anything especially on a conspiracy site.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: cheesyleps

Using the calculations of the curve over a 5 to 6 mile distance on water will show that you can still see a small row boat which would be impossible on a curved earth . Looking at a 30 mile horizon of a city with tall building would show buildings not going up parallel to one another but deviating to compensate for the curve at distance . We don't see that as I pointed out looking at Istanbul Turkey . The principal can be seen in that 1/4 around the earth that a building would be at a 90% angle while on the opposite side of the earth it would be upside down compared to where I am . It will vary over distance but you dont see 1/4 or 1/2 half way around the earth but you can see a 30 mile stretch with water with strait lines and no tilting of tall buildings a impossibility on a ball earth .

I will work in nautical miles here as it is more elegant and what I'm used to.

The circumference of the earth at the equator is 360 * 60 nm = 21,600 nm.
60nm equals one degree.
Your observation of a building 30 miles away is equivalent to roughly 20 nm which should result in there being about one third of a degree of' dip'

To figure that as a distance you can consider your vertical view as being circular.

Circumference = pi * 2r = 188
188/360 = 0.52nm
0.52/3 = 0.174nm = 322m

Unless either the observer or the buildings have a higher elevation, you wouldn't be able to see them at all.

Unless you want to start trying to account for refraction...

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Now the mind blowing bit. You are looking for buildings bowing out away from each other. Great, but how are you comparing buildings sufficiently far apart? The distance TO the buildings is irrelevant, it is the distance BETWEEN them that would make them splay outwards on the horizon. Considering we just established that 20 nautical miles (or 37,040m or 122,000 feet) gives 0.33 degrees of rotation, measuring two objects that are close to each other would result in an angular amount so small it would be imperceptible.


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One more. You are already contradicting yourself horrendously anyway. You stated that we lost sight of ships due to some mystical vanishing point. That happens to be in the region of about 4 miles for a low observer and a small ship. How then do we see the buildings 30 miles away? Surely they are beyond your so called 'vanishing point' which you claim is some sort of optical limit.

originally posted by: iDope

originally posted by: Aarsvin
One thing I'm interested to know is if Earth is the only flat, or domed, planet in the solar system.

Here is a timelapse of Jupiter with 3 moons made by an amateur astronomer from /r/astrophotography/ on reddit:

It took all night to capture, and to me it seems pretty sphere-like. Is Earth the only planet that is flat?

Looks like a CGI to me. How does an amateur astronomer have the capability of seeing Jupiter so close up? It is a rendering of percieved movement.

It's called a telescope.

This thread is a prime example of why conspiracy theorists are generally though of as a bunch of nutters. The longer this idiocy continues, the dumber it makes us, as a community, look. Hope that makes you proud...

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: cheesyleps

Using the calculations of the curve over a 5 to 6 mile distance on water will show that you can still see a small row boat which would be impossible on a curved earth . Looking at a 30 mile horizon of a city with tall building would show buildings not going up parallel to one another but deviating to compensate for the curve at distance . We don't see that as I pointed out looking at Istanbul Turkey . The principal can be seen in that 1/4 around the earth that a building would be at a 90% angle while on the opposite side of the earth it would be upside down compared to where I am . It will vary over distance but you dont see 1/4 or 1/2 half way around the earth but you can see a 30 mile stretch with water with strait lines and no tilting of tall buildings a impossibility on a ball earth .

The distance you can see depends on the height above sea level you are. At 6 ft you would lose the boat at 3 miles or so. Here's a program you can use to calculate sunrise and set at different altitudes. It only works because the earth is curved and the greater your altitude the further the horizon is away from you.
photoephemeris.com...

Dragon, I genuinely wouldn't bother. I've just reread his posts from earlier in the thread. He thinks he should be able to see the earth's bulge in any photo from nasa rather than it appearing round. In his head the earth is about 200 miles across. You can't win against blind, belligerent ignorance.


Personally, I have sailed around both capes. I have sailed directly from Cape Town to Perth. I calculated the distances between the points using spherical trigonometry. They proved accurate. An impossible feat on a flat earth.

a reply to: cheesyleps

Most seamen as far back as ancient Greece knew the earth was round. That's why they built watch towers on the shore. They quickly realized the higher they were the further they could see. And if it's an invasion force the earlier you see them the better. Also the reason navy ships radar antennas on masts if the world was flat wouldn't matter where they put them.

a reply to: AdmireTheDistance

I can never tell whether someone believes in Flat Earth or if they're just yanking everyone's chains. Seems like there's no point engaging as the former has lost their way and has stopped listening. The latter will thrive on the attention whilst actually stealing your time away.

Either outcome doesn't matter to the believers or BSers because they don't change.

In the 19th Century, poor Londoners reasoned that the Sun was closer than the Moon. How? Because they could feel the warmth of the Sun. A guy used to charge people to look through his telescope. Some folk would damn near faint at the sight of Saturn or Mars. Others would tell him they couldn't see anything even though he'd clearly focused on a planetary body.

It's uncanny that some people have the same understanding of the world as a 19th Century person who never attended school.

originally posted by: iDope

originally posted by: Aarsvin
One thing I'm interested to know is if Earth is the only flat, or domed, planet in the solar system.

Here is a timelapse of Jupiter with 3 moons made by an amateur astronomer from /r/astrophotography/ on reddit:

It took all night to capture, and to me it seems pretty sphere-like. Is Earth the only planet that is flat?

Looks like a CGI to me. How does an amateur astronomer have the capability of seeing Jupiter so close up? It is a rendering of percieved movement

So you haven't heard of buying a telescope? Suggest Google it they'll tell you how to set one up for photography.

a reply to: iDope

Amateur astronomers have this capability. Amateur astronomers have the ability and capability to find asteroids in near earth orbit, some even find Kuiper Belt objects and have made numerous other amazing discoveries. I suggest you research the capability of amateur astronomers because to be honest, it's pretty damn amazing.

Here are some other pictures that are amazing. Again, these are all by amateurs, usually from their back yard.

Saturn:







Moon, Jupiter and Saturn:


Jupiter:







Uranus and Neptune:


Neptune:


Mars:



Some guy's progress in astrophotography:


M31:


M8:


M57:


M42:


Beta Cygni, a double star:

Commercial (not NASA ) video of the curvature

Most folks won't believe it until they see it for themselves. $75,000 gets you a personal view to see the curvature of the Earth. Why would a commercial business falsify whether it is globular or flat? Obviously, they would make more money if they could prove it was flat! Hmmmm.....

a reply to: CynConcepts

It would be a neat experience going up that high but for $75,000 I wont be making the trip . Besides if I want to see the curve of the earth I can get into my Kayak on the calm lake and look at the row boats 5 miles away in the lake . Problem is that on a ball earth it is not possible . Oh wait I can see them and it's the curve that is missing . I could probably rectify that with a fish eye lens though for a few bucks . the curve that is

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: CynConcepts

It would be a neat experience going up that high but for $75,000 I wont be making the trip . Besides if I want to see the curve of the earth I can get into my Kayak on the calm lake and look at the row boats 5 miles away in the lake . Problem is that on a ball earth it is not possible . Oh wait I can see them and it's the curve that is missing . I could probably rectify that with a fish eye lens though for a few bucks . the curve that is

If I were you if invest in range finder binoculars. Think your going to have a surprising discovery.

a reply to: dragonridr

Is google maps not accurate enough ? I do own a range finder btw and would not be surprised with range finder binoculars because I have used my brothers . Unless there is a surprised I am not aware of . due tell