Would You Cut The Cow?

Does it have to be a cow?

I don't think I could kill something that big bit of I was starving and alone and I came across, say, a squirrel then yes, I would most definitely kill it for food. Just like if I was trapped on a raft at sea I would try to catch some fish.

We don't necessarily HAVE to kills cows for food, but when it comes down to survival, I'm positive a majority of people wouldn't think twice before going after an animal in order to stay alive.

Yes, yes I would, I wouldn't like the act of doing so, but I know it wouldn't turn my stomach ether.

Curse the human body sometimes, where other animals can survive for days even weeks without food.

I enjoy your threads and your thoughts.

I value meditation and contemplation very much since a child and resonate with what you expressed in the OP.

But above all else, what I most enjoy while meditating are the revelations.

I feel the same way. However, I personally separate meditation from contemplation. Meditation for me is to experience oneness with the blissful void. Contemplation (using the all seeing eye) for me is the experience of receiving insight from the collective unconscious, or for creative prayer (visualization/manifesting) with crystal clear intentions.

Contemplation and sleep are the doorways into the subconscious (collective unconscious universal energy/mind). I receive even more revelations during sleep than I do in contemplation, or "dream time" as the ancients would use to say, and what the new age movement today would describe as inception.

The ability to allow ourselves to extract insight from the subconscious mind by setting aside the limiting boundaries of the self and personal identity and merging with the ONE subconscious mind, through meditation provides one with much insight that is in alignment with their desires and will further one along their path of purpose and reveal much about their truth of being.

"In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep calleth upon men, in slumbering upon the bed; then he openeth the ears of men and sealeth their instruction." Job 33

It is in sleep and contemplation ( a state akin to sleep/drowsy feeling,) that we enter the subconscious and leave our impressions upon it and receive our instructions from it. In these states the conscious and subconscious are "creatively" joined. The male (conscious mind) and female (subconscious mind) become one flesh...

Song of Solomon...

Awareness arises while in the depths of concentration, and information trickles forth from the void. Then suddenly you find yourself realizing things vast and profound--elements you need improve, objectives you should pursue, situations you should avoid.

I define the Void (and meditation) as something entirely different, but that is just semantics, I get what you are saying deeply. What you label as the Void, I label as the Subconscious, which for me, they are two different things. But, I digress, Meditation (over time) will produce the state of anuraga, which is to have a sense of constant fresh perception, which will will produce heightened perceptual awareness-magnified outer focus. Meditation also can allow the state of Zen to arise, which will produce heightened inner absorption which leads to magnified inner awareness Both of these states of perception, are created from going 'within'.

Now...

So imagine yourself in the same situation: If you were starving and alone with nothing but a knife--if you were trapped in a field with nothing but a calmly slumbering bovine--would you do it? Could you do it?

Would you cut the cow?

Let me "meditate" and "contemplate" on that one...

a reply to: Trachel
Why do animals exist exactly, beasts of burden only? Chickens were never wild fowl leave that to partridges or the pheasant. Wild boar became pigs bison the ordinary cow/bull? Who invented animal husbandry and why; because they were given to the human to consume as viable proteins. I am allergic to all plants of the 'nightshade variety' tomatoes, potatoes, peppers and the ground products thereof. I am also allergic to terramycin as an antibiotic and know that things grown in the ground hurt me as become a joint inflamatory. I know vegetarians that have the obvious symptom of rickets. Where do you obtain your proteins; whole grains, brewers yeast, yogurt? Meat eaters don't eat predators (lions/tigers) just herbivores. There has to be a reason they were placed here if only for the consumption of bacon.

I would never cut a cows throat then butcher it.
I pay the butcher to do that, i am not experienced and dont have to be.

There are alot of things I dont want to do or can't so I employ others with the skill.

Kangaroos rabbits and fish, yeah no worries

Yup I would also not need a knfe if needed I would batter it with my fists.
We meat eaters are doing cow kind a favour by eating them they are millions strong if we didn't eat them they would be extinct in a generation.

originally posted by: Crazy Diamond

originally posted by: ketsuko
And while you can eat a lot of the vegetation around you, you are not as efficient at pulling nutrients and energy out of those plants as you are at pulling nutrients and energy out of the ready made protein of animal sources.

I am not sure that is true. I'll give you one example, protein called edestin, which is complete protein and is considered the most easily digestible form of protein for human body. Hemp seed is full of it, around 20%. Hemp seed also has around 10% protein albumin, which is also another easily digestible protein.
Another one is spirulina which is around 70% complete protein which is pretty much highest among any other unprocessed foods. It is also around 90% digestible.

Chlorella/Spirulina can be dangerous, especially for men because of the high iron content. A little goes a long way.

Chlorella and spirulina are also loaded with nutrients, such as vitamins C, B-12, beta-carotene, iron and zinc. But despite the possible benefits, these supplements do come with some potential harmful side effects.
www.livestrong.com...

If people had to kill their own food there would be a lot more vegetarians.

originally posted by: StoutBroux
If people had to kill their own food there would be a lot more vegetarians.

Strange how there are so many vegetarians in our 'developed' world where we don't have to kill our own meat, but every tribal community I have traveled in which don't have supermarkets there are few to be found.
I don't agree with your assertion.
I think you are just projecting your own position on the wider society.

a reply to: Involutionist

Thanks, I love your posts too. You always manage to expound on the original idea in super creative ways.

Much thanks for participating!

originally posted by: boymonkey74
Yup I would also not need a knfe if needed I would batter it with my fists.
We meat eaters are doing cow kind a favour by eating them they are millions strong if we didn't eat them they would be extinct in a generation.

Natural prairie grass feed lots and steams out on the open range don't exist anymore. The deer in Illinois suburbs is a problem, they eat the flower beds and the folks are putting out grain bins as a fore stalling not realizing they are adding to the problem of no predator so the population grows (cannot shoot within city limits).

Silly rabbit....trix are for kids.

Would you cut the cow?

With all that grass that still needs shaping up, I would consume that first since it takes a lot less of my own energy to prepare (and it might give my appendix something to do again like it did for our caveman ancestors) when compared to the labour involved in butchering, skinning and cooking a cow (been there-done that). BUT, if there were nothing else but that cow, I certainly would not hesitate to turn it into a juicy slab of smoked brisket.

Then imagination wandering, my thoughts started moving in strange directions. Idly I started musing: Would I go out into one of those fields and murder a cow? Would I walk out there and cold-bloodedly slit its throat?

The innate will of self preservation (evolution/DNA programming) would kick in, so the moral dilemma that only arises as thoughts in a healthy functioning mind and body which you presented, fades away by the mind's own doing. Your mind would not posses the same reasoning and moral comprehension in a dire life and death situation while experiencing starvation. This scenario is a healthy nourished mind contemplating what a starving mind would do.

Go ten days without food in your own home and THEN digest your own moral dilemma again. Your philosophy might remain the same, but your actions might be contradictory...

Within a few months I started fighting an uphill battle against my mind towards reducing my consumption of animal products. And along that time I backslid again and again as my love of meat temporarily outweighed my ethical conclusion.

A war going on within ONE mind...based on intangible thoughts...and fragmented into a box labelled "ethical".

Q: Where did all these rules comes from?

Then I realized that unless I was willing to take firsthand responsibility for the death of those animals, I had no business eating meat.

I respect that philosophy despite the fact I'm an omnivore. One can also ask: If one is not willing to take firsthand responsibility for growing their own wheat, grain, barley, fruit, and vegetables, then what business do they have eating plants?

See my friend? It is only thoughts we are entertaining here-concepts and beliefs. Nothing real.

I don't know what it does on a metaphysical level--but it makes me feel good that I've largely removed myself from the circle of consumption through slaughter.

That is because that feeling arose from and aligns with your personal life philosophy....

As long as you feel good, then that is all that matters. In other words, you conscience feels lighter because of a certain philosophy.

It does absolutely nothing on a metaphysical level. I know some people who live a very hedonistic lifestyle and can make a devout yogi look like a grasshopper when it comes to possessing a high degree of metaphysical consciousness and perception. Life sure is ironic at times.

This is simply a plea for everyone to think through the ethical consequences of your actions.

This entire existence we call life is simply to experience the consequences of our actions. After all, there is not one cause that has not produced an effect. We experience FIRST and then get to reflect.

What I'm trying to say is: All these things only matter because the concept only exist within our minds to project.

Would you cut the cow?

I would try to milk it first.

originally posted by: Involutionist
Silly rabbit....trix are for kids.

Would you cut the cow?

I would try to milk it first.

HOW? Run the calf off then corner the cow needing milking.

a reply to: vethumanbeing

I was being poetic....not literal. That is why it is in bold, my friend.

Idiom: milk it -take all it will give, get all you can from it, seize the opportunity

What we all should do concerning life, imo.

HOW? Run the calf off then corner the cow needing milking.

Seems to be the way things operate in this world on a bigger scale at times....

originally posted by: Involutionist
a reply to: veteranhumanbeing

involutionist: I was being poetic....not literal. That is why it is in bold, my friend.

Idiom: milk it -take all it will give, get all you can from it, seize the opportunity

What we all should do concerning life, imo.

vhb: HOW? Run the calf off then corner the cow needing milking.

Involutionist: Seems to be the way things operate in this world on a bigger scale at times.

At times? IT IS AS ALWAYS a subterfuge (something tiny to re-dilute) to/or/and take ones attentions away from another more important larger occurrence YOU NEVER SAW COMING AT YOU (ill prepared).

If I didn't cut the cow, I'd be a frail weakling.

I've got mild Scoliosis as well as Arthritis, I'm 6 foot 2, and I struggle to maintain 160lbs at most. That's with eating lots of proteins, proteins of all kinds, and daily exercise.

When I take a break from meat I start dropping pounds and that is not healthy for me.

Many similar stories are told about Siddhartha Buddha's former lives, some of which were allegory and meant for children's ears (yet strangely, being placed in such simple terms and obvious morals, are the most universal and easiest for modern ears to grasp)... There is the story where the Buddha sacrificed his body so a starving tiger could eat and feed her baby cubs. More extreme than the above hypothetical, of course, but you see how it can be taken allegorically (not to preclude the possibility this literally happened) and especially in the larger context of reincarnation, one can more easily swallow (or in this case, refuse to) life's many lessons.

I DO find it interesting that from every reliable (and this is of course debatable, although I think on a subforum about metaphysics on a website called "above top secret", I shouldn't have to justify or explain this) chanelling that civilizations of a higher maturity or evolution (including spiritual planes or densities if you're familiar with the Law of One readings, meaning 4th, 5th, 6th, and higher densities, although I've read some claims which purport we're already in the 4th density, not that I have drawn my own conclusions yet) ARE exclusively or almost exclusively vegan.

Got so many projects going around in my head right now I can't recall the exact project, but according to reports of the planet 12 Americans went to as a result of the crashed grey contact, animals were left to roam free and agriculture was all built into the infrastructure (lots of big greenhouses and facilities to grow and harvest/distribute food regardless of outer weather conditions, entirely hydroponically from what I recall).

The question is WHY, if we take the philosophical hypothetical that the Law of One IS correct about how the universe works (namely, that all existence is connected, we are all Source or "God" and there are numerous levels of attainment or awakening to that nature, which corresponds to angels/demons as well as aliens, since they are mostly just creatures (which contain the essence of divinity) more highly developed through millennia, and who coincidentally are generally more mature than us spiritually, and who can really debate telekinesis, telepathy, channeling entities in general (since this was used extensively for the Christian Bible, debates about editing and motives aside, and forbidden by followers of the Christian god to participate in or attempt...

Why would that be so if there AREN'T entities out there willing or desiring contact?), levitation, creating fire from our own energy? Okay, some may not be accepting of the last two, but the point is there's overwhelming evidence, both scientific and otherwise, that there is SOMEthing going on not explained by the prevailing "We're all machines created through evolution, which is random chaos and it's all chance that we're here" notion, as well as the predominant western mindset (sorry to assume, maybe none of you live in America and I should use the blanket "modern mindset" term) that YOLO. No, overwhelming evidence is NOT that you only live once, so I politely disagree with some of the philosophies here that "Hell, if yer starvin' and there's a cow, ya gotta eat, I don't wanna die, for all I know I only got this one life!"

a reply to: CaptainHarlock

Hell, if yer starvin' and there's a cow, ya gotta eat, I don't wanna die, for all I know I only got this one life!"

When you've gone upwards of three weeks without food, assuming you've had regular water, that cow is going to be looking MIGHTY tasty. Not actually proposing this, but for those who claim they wouldn't. Imagine that you and the cow are locked in a field(remember, hypothetical. You can't get out) with a cow. You have to sit there, with a knife on hand, until you keel over dead. It would take extreme ethical willpower to manage, on par, IMHO, with those guys that set themselves on fire for protest. Not trying to say anybody would or wouldn't, just trying to highlight the difficulty.

a reply to: CaptainHarlock

Awesome, in-depth response. Thanks for participating!

Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm on about. Ultimately I reached the realization that all life is equal, so I've no business sustaining myself by claiming another equally valuable life.

The COW ,ENEMY whatever it was my job to perform I know how to use a knife if I have to.

originally posted by: cavtrooper7
The COW ,ENEMY whatever it was my job to perform I know how to use a knife if I have to.

Would you if I latex painted in white "Friendly COW" on both flanks of my bovine?