How We Know Russia Shot Down MH17

a reply to: Whereismypassword

It wouldn't surprise me that the intel services employ journalists,it's wrong of course and once outed they should be banned from journalism for ever

Please explain the difference between an intelligence agent and a journalist.

a reply to: DJW001


Journalists should be impartial and tell the truth about the events they are describing or filming not type the words an intel agency gives them regardless of the truth

You can't understand that?

Is not truth better no matter how hard the pill is to swallow than a government agency lie?

Journalists should be whiter than white

a reply to: Whereismypassword

An Russian media is above reproach and is always unbiased in their reporting?

By the way the CIA is prohibited from acting as US media - Is the Russian secret services in the same boat?

Nope - and the latest comments by the Russian Minister of Defense stating the media is an extension of the military when it comes to information speaks volumes.

a reply to: Whereismypassword

Journalists should be impartial and tell the truth about the events they are describing or filming

Intelligence operatives should be impartial and tell the truth about the events they are describing or filming, I ask you again, what is the difference between a journalist and an intelligence agent?

a reply to: Whereismypassword

Journalists should be impartial and tell the truth about the events they are describing or filming

Intelligence operatives should be impartial and tell the truth about the events they are describing or filming, I ask you again, what is the difference between a journalist and an intelligence agent?

originally posted by: Whereismypassword
a reply to: DJW001


Journalists should be impartial and tell the truth about the events they are describing or filming not type the words an intel agency gives them regardless of the truth

You can't understand that?

Is not truth better no matter how hard the pill is to swallow than a government agency lie?

Journalists should be whiter than white

Since when?

that might e a nice ideal - but has never been an actual requirement anywhere, and because of that some news services that get closer to it are regarded as more truthful than others.

no Russian news service has ever had a high reputation!!

originally posted by: Whereismypassword
It wouldn't surprise me that the intel services employ journalists,it's wrong of course and once outed they should be banned from journalism for ever

I am sure intelligence agents have used journaluism as a cover, and all sorts of other occupations too.

Why would this be a surprise??

So this David chap has evidence for what?


He seemed paranoid about being wanted by the Russians and suggested he had sensitive information stored in separate locations that he could leak if his safety was not assured by the security there

and so......er..........what??

What do you think this means?

originally posted by: Aloysius the Gaul

originally posted by: Whereismypassword
a reply to: DJW001


Journalists should be impartial and tell the truth about the events they are describing or filming not type the words an intel agency gives them regardless of the truth

You can't understand that?

Is not truth better no matter how hard the pill is to swallow than a government agency lie?

Journalists should be whiter than white

Since when?

that might e a nice ideal - but has never been an actual requirement anywhere, and because of that some news services that get closer to it are regarded as more truthful than others.

no Russian news service has ever had a high reputation!!

What are you guys arguing over??

a reply to: dragonridr

Dunno what they are - I'm pointing out that "whereismypassword"'s assertion that journalists are supposed to be unbiased isn't actually true.

a reply to: DJW001

Or many different holes, some jagged some smooth - if what I say is conjecture then I submit you're points are conjecture as well.

Point is, you either believe western propaganda or eastern propaganda - or like me, can see they are all lying scum and find your own facts.

The truth is there to see, I am sorry you hate Russia so much you are blinded by our government spin.

I don't claim to know everything, but I do know from operation mocking bird and probably before - definitely after - our governments have used the media to lead us like sheep into actions which benefit very few people.

I think it really is evident that Russia would have nothing to do with shooting down a civilian air liner, especially considering the current NATO push against her, and if it did happen that way, bloody prove it to us, oh our enlightened leaders?

Why after insisting it was putins boys, will they not prove it? Why not release the data?

Because it won't prove that at all, and I think most of us know this full well.

I really wish it wasn't so, but there are too many facts showing that NATO was complicit at best in regards to this downing/murder.

The sooner people like me and you agree that none of them can be trusted , the sooner we can get on with fixing our society and civilization.

End war, lets love instead......

I think its safe to say that because of the vested interest by both parties we will never be satisfied that we are hearing the absolute truth. It seems the big winner of this terrible tragedy is the west by achieving sanctions against Russia which is surprising given that a precedent (US shot down Iran Air Flight 655 in 1988 killing 290 people) occurred without any talk of world sanctions against the US.

This makes me suspect that Russia has been set up in a covert operation designed to segregate Russia from the world. There was also a strange message from Christine Lagarde that hinted something was planned in July although no particular date was given except 7 was important - MH17 shot down on the 17/7

a reply to: glend

And Russia shot down KAL007 with no sanctions. That's because the current sanctions are over Russia's actions in Crimea and support of the separatists. Not MH17. Remember that not even Russia's staunchest allies recognize the annexation of Crimea.

a reply to: Soapusmaximus

They won't release it because the investigation is still ongoing. These reports take a minimum of 18 months to compile. We knew from day one that the earliest we'd see a report is October. This is also a criminal investigation so prematurely releasing evidence could affect prosecution.

Funny how you call out the West for not providing proof. Russia's sorry is constantly changing. They've even had conflicting stories going at the same time. And never once have they proven any of their claims. Instead we get falsified "evidence" like that laughable "satellite photo."

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Yes my mistake but the MH17 did trigger tougher EU sanctions. The sanctions on Russia over Crtimea is strange when even Forbes reports that "83% of Crimeans went to the polling stations and almost 97% expressed support for reunification with their former Soviet parent". This actually infers that US and EU are at war against the wishes of the Crimean people, not Russia. Perhaps US/EU be better of looking after their own people instead of meddling in others affairs.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: glend

And Russia shot down KAL007 with no sanctions. That's because the current sanctions are over Russia's actions in Crimea and support of the separatists. Not MH17. Remember that not even Russia's staunchest allies recognize the annexation of Crimea.

There's countries that don't recognize Kosovo. There's countries that don't recognize Crimea.

Life goes on.

Crimea is a done deal. Just like Kosovo is to others.

a reply to: glend

And there are even Russian publications that express district of those numbers. Let's not forget that Putin planned the annexation weeks before any referendum was voted on. Also there's the fact that the only poll monitors were Russian and there were armed Russian troops in the street. Hardly an impartial election.

When even China won't recognize the annexation you know it's not on the up and up.

a reply to: Imhere

Currently 112 countries recognize Kosovo's independence. That includes over half of the UN. Seven countries recognize Russia's annexation of Crimea. That doesn't include Russia's supposedly staunch allies China and Belarus. A bit like comparing apples and oranges if you ask me.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Imhere

Currently 112 countries recognize Kosovo's independence. That includes over half of the UN. Seven countries recognize Russia's annexation of Crimea. That doesn't include Russia's supposedly staunch allies China and Belarus. A bit like comparing apples and oranges if you ask me.

Who said anything about comparing apples and oranges.

a reply to: Imhere

You are right... Kosovo and what occurred there is nothing remotely like Russias invasion of Ukraine and occupation of Crimea.

Russia keeps trying to argue they are the same, which just further demonstrates just how out of touch Putin and his gang are. Its not the cold war so the expectation of the Putin gang that the world will accept what they say as truth and not look into is just hilarious and sad all at the same time.

Right now the only people the Russian propaganda is fooling is the Russian government.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: glend

And there are even Russian publications that express district of those numbers. Let's not forget that Putin planned the annexation weeks before any referendum was voted on. Also there's the fact that the only poll monitors were Russian and there were armed Russian troops in the street. Hardly an impartial election.

When even China won't recognize the annexation you know it's not on the up and up.

And don't forget even the people that helped Putin fake the vote by locking out politicians are unhappy now. And the people there are in trouble just a matter of time before they start to riot and what does Putin do then. To say Crimes is done is niave. And then there is the tar tars don't think they won't be us Ed to raise trouble