Is The United States Of America Going TO Have Another Civil War? If So Over What?

originally posted by: Boscov
a reply to: FormOfTheLord

America's next civil issue will not be a Civil War. No more wars will be fought on U.S. soil. The fighting you allude to will be about one ideal in paticular, God. Any entity associated with western religious beliefs will lose government funding, grants, subsidies, et all.

America wishes to supercede scripture and any religious belief system. We may practice religious beliefs, but we may not be able to prosper with them, as we have before. America so desperately wishes to rise above accountability of the spirit. She would rather placate her masses into a new form of subjugation, the anti divine, the pro theocracy of perceived proactive righteousness. No belief systems, everything is moment to moment, the fluid approach where anything goes, where established systems must be razed eternally, because unity is the enemy, because diversity shall not be allowed to have a meeting of the minds.

Our civil issue will be about our encouraged forfeiture of our civil thinking.

That's an interesting and perceptive point of view. However, I don't know that the Government will even need to withdraw tax preferred status and such to shrink religious communities. That's being accomplished by the education system and the relentless propaganda outlets. Then the religious communities will be further reduced by the perception that people who are "believers" are some how automatically homophobic or racist and will find it near impossible to get a job, or to hold onto it once co-workers find out the person has religious beliefs.

originally posted by: paraphi
No. Civil wars don't happen when civil society generally works.

The US has several structural problems, such as the self-segregated society, and some crap roads, but the vast majority of the population are fine, well off and enjoying themselves.

Individuals and groups may feel that they are repressed, or that what they see is not for them, but that's the case with any advanced country where people are free to express their discontent. Just think, if the US was China then we would not be allowed to even hypothesise on this subject.

I agree, there will be no civil war in the US. But I am not sure that the self-segregation is a structural problem. Many Blacks see self-segregation as necessarily supportive and affirming. Self-segregation may be a relief valve of sorts that takes pressure off people overwhelmed by the change rate and who need a mechanism for recharge.

I’ve read Chris Hedges book, 'Wages of Rebellion’, and consider him to be quite on target. His views do not include violence, but instead a slow movement within society:

Something’s coming, with the twin effects of climate change and the precarious nature of global speculation, and if we go down, we’re going to need each other. We are going to have to create a communitarian network, and that goes down to things like local food, farmers’ markets, something as simple as that. The wealthy are not going to take care of us. They will retreat into their gated compounds where they will have access to food and water and all sorts of things we won’t.

news.nationalpost.com...

Prior to the 20th century, the US Army was made up mostly by state volunteers, provided for by individual states and actual militia. This is why when reading about different conflicts in the 19th century you see names like, the Virginian Army, etc.

The first Civil War, the armed forces were able to split because of this. Men from the individual state's armies would volunteer or remain loyal to those officers (read that as Generals) that lead those different armies. This enabled actually having a civil war.

In today's world, that is not how the US Army (or any other military branch) works. Individuals volunteer are from different states, but you do not normally have individual units specifically from each state that make up the US Army. You do have National Guard units that are, but are normally used within that state for different emergency purposes.

Members in the US armed forces are made up of many different US states and territories. Not units specifically from certain states.

Civil War is defined as at least two major organized groups fighting within a country. Because of how the US military is now made up, that possibility would be very limited, as any general's or admirals that tried to organized their assets to fight against the US would have the problem that all their people are not from the same state or area.

Civil War is not a likely thing in today's world here in the US.

Rebellion on the other hand could still be a possibility, where the civilian population rises up against the federal government.
In this case, the US military could end up siding with the civilian populations (in which case it would be over rather quickly) or they could remain loyal to the federal government (which again, would make things over with rather quickly. It's hard to fight a group of trained personnel who have tanks, missiles, drones, etc, etc).

I seriously doubt the people of the us have the ability to come together and organize a large scale army for what ever reason. Who would these people be? It would be incredibly easy to shut off food and electricity leaving most americans completely paralized. The civil war was in a time people were self sufficient. We are so far away from that there is no way somwthing like that would ever happen. The only way would be simililar to what muslim extremists do with secret groups who dont declair who they are until they do the damage. Even that is highly unlikely.

The more likely scenario is just civil unrest in general. Riots and rogue attacks on each other.

Is The United States Of America Going TO Have Another Civil War? If So Over What?

I would say slavery.

One side wants us to remain slaves.

The other side wants us to be free.

No.... Too much like hard work ! Fast food and mindless tripe on the T.V. and Internet will keep people too aneasthetised to cause trouble ( Unless you are one of the minority of over zealouspolice officers caught red handed dishing out a good hiding, ... Or worse....

Inequality. We can't let ourselves be divided; although easier said than done. We all have common ground, albeit finding it amongst today's headlines and news is difficult.

We all live in the same place, use the same system, have the same government. We have to stand up for each other and put our beliefs aside, at least for a moment to have discussion.

Where are our representatives, our leaders. With as much news breaking headlines lately, publicity stunts; Americans seem to be having a debate where people are taking sides, again, where are our representatives and leaders.

Are they clueless or to busy to address the growing desparity everyone seems to be discussing, but them. It's a sad day in America when we let our beliefs and traditions foment anger or let these issues be used as a catalyst.

As long as the issue of inequality and desparity is ignored and not addressed, the longer the problem festers and sides are taken. Surely we can have an open discussion, compromise, find solutions; however, unless our representatives are involved in this debate and effect meaningful change that helps us all; it's just a revolving door.

Freedom. True Freedom. To end slavery. And it will probably start if they go to far trying to get the guns out of the hands of the people.

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

just don't let radical islam get in and take hold

from the recent events in chattanooga, tennesse one can conclude that moderate islam can be easily turned into radical with only few doses and sessions of "brainwashing".

although i would call the mistake on DHS and FBI also as this person went to middle east for several months and then came back. he should have been under surveillance of many a sorts and would have been apprehended when trying to buy guns, from both legal and illegal sources.

this brings me back to the original topic of the thread....................IMHO, taking away gun rights might create some strong disturbance and even pitched battles between pro-gun-rights elements and the law enforcement implementing the changes.

it will not be anywhere near the "civil war" scenario, but be ready for several areas across the country, where dozens decide to "hole up" and exchange shots with the government.

a "rabid" and "out and out" civil war in US is not possible and folks should not wish for one either. as US in civil war would "unleash" many and major "monsters" in the rest of the world resulting in much damages to common world citizens.

More of a revolutionary-style war verses civil war.



Union-style action like that which ran for and against the Soviet system.

Denial of service(s)....etc. Elimination of the government dole jobs, petty bureaucrats singled out and budget for them stricken from the record. Term limits enacted. Elected incumbent judges shown the door.

See, I grew up in the 1970's when the public took counterculture "threats" seriously. Heck, hijackings, assassinations, New Black Panthers, SLA, crazy stuff like that was THE NORM. We even had intellectuals, friends of the current president, doing bad things to fed t^rgets.

Younger people don't have benefit of that looking glass. That's why history of this nation should be stressed. When in doubt, I trust the Founding Fathers. A relative of mine signed the Declaration of Independence, Uncle RJ Clark Junior died KIA fighting Nazis, Mom worked for JFK....so yes, some people have the memory and care to see things done right. I mention this because in this day and age, it is hard to back look past the GWOT, and think about how tumultuous the world really has been within a few lifetimes.

originally posted by: HolgerTheDane2
In certain states it is now legal to buy recreational drugs even if it has been proven that those same drugs lower the IQ of young people permanently. It also blocks learning for a number of hours after being used. And perhaps the law is only supported by people who have suffered those two side effects. What I fail to understand is how we allow drug lords to go legitimate by still selling those drugs.

Your whole post is garbage I have alot to say but I am tired.. I work for a living till 12am est.. So I am going to pic this point you made..

I would like proof of this.. There is no.. I mean no proof this is legit.. Just like the rest of your post..

www.independent.co.uk...

ECNP chairman Professor Guy Goodwin said: 'This is a potentially important study because it suggests that the current focus on the alleged harms of cannabis may be obscuring the fact that its use is often correlated with that of other even more freely available drugs and possibly lifestyle factors. These may be as or more important than cannabis itself.

Perhaps when people feel like we are slaves we may find a reason to rebel, but I think people may just manufacture various reasons to rebel, it may not be the same for everyone.

However if there insnt common cause amongst the rebels it wont be much of a civil war.

So I am thinking it may be amongst party lines of liberal and conservative, not liberal and conservative in the modern sense but some kind of a new form of conservatism and liberalism we have yet to see.

a reply to: MrSpad

I agree with you, but the problem is that when a war starts it is often to see what the outcome would be.

I am sure our forefathers might have seen things different if they realized just how costly the Civil War was to their nation.

It's inevitable...

But right now the majority of people are still managing to make ends meet so they do not want to rock the boat... Another major recession or a depression and all bets are off.

a reply to: MysterX

You do understand that each state has its own armed forces that answer directly to the governor of the state and an adjutant General right?

originally posted by: Flesh699
It won't be over race and it won't be anything political. It'll happen when the vast majority of freeloaders are forced to take drug tests to get their free income cards. Not the people that ACTUALLY need help, but the vast majority of slobs that live better off the working class's tax money than getting off their butts to go get a job.

I work at Walmart, and have for years. I see the same free eaters come in here every first and fifteenth. They'll load up their carts with 500 dollars of pure junk for their five kids, and they'll wait for the clock to strike twelve so they can checkout with their freshly loaded money card.

I've seen the same thing in multiple states. Not all but most are the nastiest people you'll ever meet and most selfish. America won't see a crisis until the lazy are forced into a rough spot.

Go into a Walmart on the 1st and you WILL see hundreds of people with nicer cars than you, and no job. They're loud, they keep their kids out late, and have no qualms giving you # over crap they don't actually pay for, and I gaurntee they'll storm the white house if their source of income is taken away.

Except that the facts don't actually support you blatant ignorance here. Nothing like issuing blanket statements about an entire class of citizens to feel better about yourself eh? Seriously, it's beyond ignorant to pass judgment on someone when you don't know the first thing about them. It leads you to illogical conclusions. Like the one you reach about welfare recipients and drug use.

Let's look at Florida as our example.The findings were that only 108 of the 4,086 people who took a drug test failed. That comes out to 2.6%. Not only did the state not save money, they lost money and it did nothing to reduce enrollment in SNAP or other social programs of that nature.

www.tampabay.com...

thinkprogress.org...

www.governing.com...

www.politifact.com...

As far as the notion of civil war and independence in general, there is an argument that the US never fully and legally was never discharged from the British Empire, that it is secretly and corporately still a possession.

That changes the idea of a civil-revolution, in terms of who and what are the model adversaries, as well as potential outcomes.

Right now isn't a good time for me to speak about it, I favor the butterfly effect for now, just sharing stories and ideas.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Yes. Yes i do.

The question was of a hypothetical nature...you do realise what hypothetical means don't you?

originally posted by: MysterX
a reply to: Xcathdra

Yes. Yes i do.

The question was of a hypothetical nature...you do realise what hypothetical means don't you?

Nothing in your post that I responded to was sarcastic and if you think you were being sarcastic you may want to look the term up.

Your post ignored that key fact that I pointed out.