No Longer a Conspiracy Theory- Madonna New Song -Illuminati

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Because I was asked to give an answer that was more than vague, so I did.

Sorry if I offended you with the theory.

There are theories posted here every day that offend me, too.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ketsuko
You can tie in a bunch of the Freemason symbolism...

I would love to see you do that.

Esoteric Freemasonry isn't entirely a bad thing. In fact some of my closest friends are freemasons. The moral values they teach within are priceless. And it does help reform ourselves.

However, while I don't question the knowledge at the bottom, and the freemasons that i met were gentle and humble men, compared to society. I do question the knowledge past the 32nd degree. 32-33 is a cross-over between death and rebirth. Another symbol for this is 101 and 23.

I am unsure what happens after the 33nd degree. As my own mind in this area is divided. Into two separate possibilities, which is why I don't go ahead and openly speak out against Freemasons. Even if they may have links to the Illuminati in many shapes and forms.

Though one Freemason specifically told me that the Illuminati copied the structure of the Freemasons. But would not elaborate any further. he only told me to initiate and find out for myself.

But see, i don't like contracts and avoid them as much as possible. No matter which type of contract it is, and it is for a reason. But I will not get into that for the sake of not derailing my own thread. (and it is cause i typed too much already and im tired )

I dont judge freemasons as a whole. They have some knowledge that is very useful. Such as the lost word. NO

But that is as far as I will go on that.

I think a lot of Artist use this concept of the Illuminati and combine it with edgy Pop-Culture. anyone can research the Illuminati and the symbolism behind it and adapt it into their work...

anyone can confess to knowing the Real "Members"

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
32-33 is a cross-over between death and rebirth.

No, it is not. Mortality is discussed in the 3rd Degree.

I am unsure what happens after the 33nd degree.

Nothing. But feel free to join a degree mill where they hand out additional, clandestine degrees all the way up to 360 which have nothing to do with the Masonry that I am involved with.

Though one Freemason specifically told me that the Illuminati copied the structure of the Freemasons.

Many groups have copied our initiation practices and officer structure, including every single college fraternity, the Moose, Knights of Columbus, etc. Does the mean anything in the grand scheme of things? No, not really.

originally posted by: ketsuko
Sorry if I offended you with the theory.

I am not offended, just surprised as you did not strike me as someone who would make throw away comments and then say, 'check YouTube'.

Just joined to ATS, been daily visitor for 8-9 years as this is my main news source.
I'm from Estonia(country which has been flushed down the toilet but is stuck in the pipe and crap keeps piling up on it) and have noticed a common occurrence where some High - Level/ Elite people have jew roots/ties.
Like our President here T.H.Ilves(jew) who was born in Estonia but during childhood moved to USA, came back to homeland and became President. He is good friends with well known George Soros(jew) btw.

PS! NOT IMPLYING THAT ALL JEWS ARE EVIL/BAD.

Not sure if all around the world but i know that in some countries when you call someone a "jew" it implies to smth bad, why is that??

What do jews believe in if not in god? What is that "religion"? Sorry but that part i'm misunderstanding maybe, cause they worship smth, don't they?

Anyways so called "illuminati" in my opinion exists but they are richest families.
Here's a link about the Rothschild family and their ties to many highest position people in the world history (most of them jews): The History Of the House of Rothschild

And for people who don't believe that world famous artists are puppets for pushing their evil agenda, here's a site i guess most of you are aware of, some of the articles there are far-fetched but a lot of it makes sense if you put evil families behind the strings: This

edit: I'm not a nazi nor a holocaust denier, but there are too many connections to jews to ignore

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: SoulSurfer
32-33 is a cross-over between death and rebirth.

No, it is not. Mortality is discussed in the 3rd Degree.

I am unsure what happens after the 33nd degree.

Nothing. But feel free to join a degree mill where they hand out additional, clandestine degrees all the way up to 360 which have nothing to do with the Masonry that I am involved with.

Though one Freemason specifically told me that the Illuminati copied the structure of the Freemasons.

Many groups have copied our initiation practices and officer structure, including every single college fraternity, the Moose, Knights of Columbus, etc. Does the mean anything in the grand scheme of things? No, not really.

Well that explains the similarity of initiation in a fraternity I initiated into. (many from my chapter became freemasons. Though some entered for the wrong reasons. But I wont reveal anymore of that. ) And they are mostly at the 3rd degree. However, there are lodges past the 3rd degree. Whether they are clandestine or not. I do not know.

But i will say this. I have a library of masonic books. Though I wont claim to know all there is to know about them mostly cause of my conversations with past masons.


However I want to ask you one question. With regards to the masonic bible (this version posted in the video below)



Here is the question for you. Am I correct to assume that this is the baphomet? Or am I wrong and this symbol represents something else entirely? This is a very honest question I have for you. And I hope you can provide some clarity on this.

a reply to: SoulSurfer

The fact is this: She is talking about it. She is defending them.

And maybe she is just spot on doing so, the (real) Illuminati could be our best friends after all.
I dunno. But I can't avoid this question reading their old manifestos.

The Illuminati were members of a secret society in Bavaria in the late 18th century. They had a political agenda that included republicanism and abolition of monarchies, which they tried to institute by means of subterfuge, secrecy, and conspiracy, including the infiltration of other organizations. They fancied themselves to be "enlightened" but they had little success and were destroyed within fifteen years of their origin (Pipes 1997).

www.skepdic.com...

SpecOps for good if you like, they may also have been very successfull if one is up to agree upon the theory, that the French Revolution happened mainly on their behalf. I did post this source with some intentions. Mainly to point out that this opinion is 'somehow' not even mentioned in this piece, but they still have the balls to call all conspiracy-theories (regarding the Illuminati) paranoid. Funny, isn't it`

Obey!

Madonna sees the illuminati as a group of occult freethinkers, not any demonic Satan worshipers is my opinion.


Sure they see the free thinker occultist, whom btw number Sir Isaac Newton as one of theirs.

Though perhaps the greatest free thinker and occultist out of the renaissance was the great Giordano Bruno en.wikipedia.org...


The heritage of these illuminist is undoubtedly the Hermetic tradition that seeped itself into the medieval Roman Church and civilized it somewhat and became a spiritual food for the great medieval Illuminati freethinkers in the renaissance.


Compared to the dark pole of the Roman church these great and brave men were illuminated indeed!


The question is this:


Who today are the dark inheritors of the Roman church of medieval times and who are the true people of light of today?


Don't look at outward appearance

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: SoulSurfer

The fact is this: She is talking about it. She is defending them.

And maybe she is just spot on doing so, the (real) Illuminati could be our best friends after all.
I dunno. But I can't avoid this question reading their old manifestos.

The Illuminati were members of a secret society in Bavaria in the late 18th century. They had a political agenda that included republicanism and abolition of monarchies, which they tried to institute by means of subterfuge, secrecy, and conspiracy, including the infiltration of other organizations. They fancied themselves to be "enlightened" but they had little success and were destroyed within fifteen years of their origin (Pipes 1997).

www.skepdic.com...

SpecOps for good if you like, they may also have been very successfull if one is up to agree upon the theory, that the French Revolution happened mainly on their behalf. I did post this source with some intentions. Mainly to point out that this opinion is 'somehow' not even mentioned in this piece, but they still have the balls to call all conspiracy-theories (regarding the Illuminati) paranoid. Funny, isn't it`

Obey!

If you read history, there is much more there than meets the eye. This rabbit hole goes soo deep, that it literally is a vast topic.

think about it this way. They originated in Germany. Who else came out of Germany and became infamous? Adolf hitler.

What was Hitler working on in his past time?



Why were the nazi's in tibet? By the way (im pointing out the obvious) Tibet and buddhism teaches enlightenment. (for those who don't know).

See the connection?


Where did all the nazi scientists go after WW2? The USA. (While hitler fled to argentina to live out his days in retirement. This was actually admited by the fbi in their fbi files.).

So what became of the Nazi Scientists?

One of them founded NASA ^_-

others the FDA and so on . (you can search all this out. )

So, if the original Illuminati, were originally from Germany and they were an "enlightened" group. The Nazi's visited Tibet in WW2 which happens to be about enlightenment. But who funded the Nazi's? The Rothschild and Rockefeller.


There you have the connection of the dots of this whole mess. But this all came from researching countless documents and assembling pieces together which took a hell of a lot of work. I am debating on writing a book on the subject due to how vast the knowledge truly is. But i am after all human, and my lazy side tends to kick in every now and then.

a reply to: SoulSurfer

it looks similar to a baphomet pentagram, not the same though.
it's not a goat head.

your image


The Sigil of Baphomet

a reply to: ElPagan

And for people who don't believe that world famous artists are puppets for pushing their evil agenda, here's a site i guess most of you are aware of, some of the articles there are far-fetched but a lot of it makes sense if you put evil families behind the strings

As some always have stood up against evil agendas. Remember Picassos Guernica for example.

But you know (now)... there is an option in Crusader Kings 2 (what I love to play a lot), to 'expell the jews'. You won't be able to borrow from moneylenders then and it would effect your economy, but it's a way to get rid of a loan. And this funny episode from my life as misguided warrior somehow illustrates their problem: they were considered outsiders, expelled quite often btw., and had to life on the dark side of societies. Nowadays they might just be lucky, hording tons of cash and power due to their experience and legacy, thanks to centuries of moneylending.

Long story, short answer: this is a very complex topic. But you have to buy a DLC to play as a jew in this game, take that as water on your mills if you like. I just love a good laugh.



Cheers from Censormany!

a reply to: SoulSurfer

Some comments are even saying they want to join because they think it is "good".

Sign me up too,

I want to be illuminated and bathed in light.

But what do I know?

From reading what you have said so far,

Nothing, nothing about what you speak about, just random bits here and there that other paranoid nuts on the net have saying.

Yes your detective skills are awsome

Mine came from experiences, recruitment attempts, from the very people im speaking out on.

This is just getting better and better,

carry on

I do this because i care in general, I love people.

Do you love members of the Illuminati you have in mind?

Most of us do before the truth smacks us in the face through experience and not theory.

Cool, so most of us will be recruited into the Illuminati,

I cant wait get my recruitment letter.

To understand this, you need to understand how the mind works especially on a subconscious level. For this you need to have a crash course in psychology.

Hmmmm, if you say so.

There is two sides of the mind. Conscious and subconscious.

No,

what you have there is 2 of 3 types of consciousness.

Maybe your crash coarse needed not to be so crash and a little more detailed.


Ahhhhhrrrrrr

Forget you read this,

I really dont know why I even replied,

Yes psychological warfare, mind control and social conditioning is something I really find interest in, however......

Nah, forget it.

You know what you know and I know what I know.

Just because person or a group claims to be enlightened it doesnt mean they actually are enlightened....

In eastern wisdom, it is usually taken as a sign that someone is not enlightened, when they claim to be enlightened.

If you look at the world today, its a sure sign these people are not enlightened, far from it, if they have had as much power and influence as its claimed they have had over the past few hundred years... That's a reason not to trust these people more than any...

Perhaps originally it may have been a harmless group of enlightened artists and philosophers, but I think it was quickly infiltrated and used as an esoteric control mechanism over the population... Either way, the Illuminati of today, are not trustworthy, and not harmless artists and philosophers, because they are using that árt to brainwash and control people... Dont listen to Madonna, she is in the dark...

a reply to: SoulSurfer

think about it this way. They originated in Germany. Who else came out of Germany and became infamous? ...

Me, myself and I?

You should research everything regarding this book 'Das Schwarze Reich' from Carmin (The Black Empire?), he delves deep into this rabbit hole. Very deep. Hitler is just one/ the public figure of the Thule-Organisation with their Black Sun.

translate.google.de...

And when I think of K. Haushofer etc. I do think of Operation Paperclip as well.


Cheers!

a reply to: nonjudgementalist

Wait. So the Illuminati started out as "good" and than gradually morphed into a force for social control that lead us inexorably down the garden path into hell where people of color are no longer considered only 2/3 human, women get to vote, everyone is free to marry whom they choose to love and most people aren't forced to work 16+ hour days, 7 days a week, just to eat?

Lets try a thought experiment: let's say you're onto something here and the Illuminati really have assumed control over our social fabric in the way you imagine they do. Which of the above horrors would you repeal first to return us to the previous golden age before they came along and mucked it all up?

a reply to: InhaleExhale


I really like your honest reply, Star for you!

what you have there is 2 of 3 types of consciousness.

Just curious, which is the third then?

a reply to: SoulSurfer

Baphomet does not appear in any Masonic ritual or symbolism, what you highlighted was the Eastern Star symbol.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus


If you read the lyrics it is more of a slap at conspiracy clowns who think the Illuminati is some world-controlling secret organization. She is singing that they are not.

That is not what I read into it........It is not one man or woman it is an idea. The Illuminate is a thought. Listen for those of you that have seen my posts before I do not jump on many conspiracy bandwagons......This is real. Many people in Hollywood and the media wear it like a badge.

a reply to: InhaleExhale

You're wrong, on soo many levels. But i will leave you with this.

Psychology is MY realm. And I do know what I am talking about. But you are welcome to believe what you want.