Is President Obama (unknowingly) fulfilling the "Peace and Security" Prophecy?

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

See, the only person you can truly control is yourself. I can do what I can to influence those around me, but they are ultimately in control of themselves.

I can tell my son over and over that the oven is hot or the pot on the stove is hot ... DON'T TOUCH. It burns. But in the end, HE is the one who has to make the decision whether or not he will listen to my wisdom and accept my judgment for himself.

Some kids do, and others don't. I had a cousin who fulfilled the letter of the law; she didn't touch the pot. She kissed it!

So I guess my point with this is that you can talk/type until you're blue in the face and live an otherwise pristine and righteous life, but ultimately the only person you can directly control and be fully responsible for is yourself.

Agree, you're responsible for what you do but sadly others will blame you even though it's their fault.

Human nature - flawed human nature will unfortunately put you in danger even with all the precautions.

a reply to: edmc^2

is President Obama unknowingly fulfilling the long awaited prophecy written at 2 Thessalonians 5:3?

To be blunt, no. How is this any different from any other peace deal in the past 2,000 years (roughly when this verse was written)? It hasn't even passed yet, much less led to "sudden destruction" afterwards.

I don't understand why every generation thinks it's living in the "end times" or is witnessing the fulfillment of every supposed prophecy. Now that I think about it, it's probably because nobody lists the countless previous false alarms. either way, things are nowhere near as bad as they were 100 years ago, as WWI was raging. If none of these supposed prophecies were "fulfilled" in the early 1900s, then there's no way they apply to now.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: edmc^2

is President Obama unknowingly fulfilling the long awaited prophecy written at 2 Thessalonians 5:3?

To be blunt, no. How is this any different from any other peace deal in the past 2,000 years (roughly when this verse was written)? It hasn't even passed yet, much less led to "sudden destruction" afterwards.

I don't understand why every generation thinks it's living in the "end times" or is witnessing the fulfillment of every supposed prophecy. Now that I think about it, it's probably because nobody lists the countless previous false alarms. either way, things are nowhere near as bad as they were 100 years ago, as WWI was raging. If none of these supposed prophecies were "fulfilled" in the early 1900s, then there's no way they apply to now.

Difference is - NUKES and Terrorist groups.

We've reach the breaking point. The world will demand "Peace and Security" now that a (supposed) deal with Iran is now in placed.

Like he said:

But that is precisely why we are taking this step, because an Iran armed with a nuclear weapon would be far more destabilizing and far more dangerous to our friends and to the world.

Meanwhile we will maintain our own sanctions related to Iran’s support for terrorism, its ballistic missile program and its human rights violations. We will continue our unprecedented efforts to strengthen Israel’s security, efforts that go beyond what any American administration has done before.

And we will continue the work we began at Camp David, to elevate our partnership with the Gulf States to strengthen their capabilities to counter threats from Iran or terrorist groups like ISIL.

www.timesofisrael.com...

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: works4dhs

source?

John Hagee.
Need more?
Do a youtube search for John Hagee.
EDUCATION.

one guy on tv says something controversial. those evangelical dominionists are not a numerous bunch.

any thoughts on the death-to-Israel quotes in the Atlantic article?
www.theatlantic.com...
here are two more
Hojatoleslam Ali Shirazi, Khamenei’s representative in the Revolutionary Guard: “The Zionist regime will soon be destroyed, and this generation will be witness to its destruction." (2013)

Khamenei: “This barbaric, wolflike & infanticidal regime of Israel which spares no crime has no cure but to be annihilated.” (2014)

ejumication...

a reply to: edmc^2

Considering the original question I would have to say maybe. Though I suspect that peace and safety prophecy could have multiple interpretations. But I'm going to show you some prophesies that should be watched here.

Consider the prophesies of Daniel 8 and 11. While some people would say this prophesies were fulfilled in the BC era there is a problem. Both prophesies mention that they will occur at the time of the end. It's pretty obvious that the time of the end never happened. So I would say these prophesies are supposed to repeat. Now look at the timeline these prophesies create when you put them together.

1. Daniel 11-2 A group of 4 nations/kings in old Persia attack a nation in the west that looked Greek to Daniel.
2. A powerful leader stands up and counterattacks.
Jump to Daniel 8.
3. The powerful nation attacks and conquers 2 of the nations in old Persia.
4. Here's the bad part. Daniel 11-4 and Daniel 8 agree on this. The powerful Greek looking nation is broken 4 ways.

So peace and safety leading to sudden destruction? Possibly. But I would point out that when end of the world prophesies manage to score 3 for 3 on recent events well....I get nervous.

A typical Obama lie & trick ....

President Obama Lies About 24/7 Iranian Nuclear Inspections In National Broadcast….

Obama says:

That means this deal is not built on trust. It is built on verification. Inspectors will have 24/7 access to Iran’s nuclear facilities. (transcript)

BUT..

TRUTH: … Negotiators failed to meet the standard of achieving “anytime, anywhere” access that several members of the United States Congress had demanded as a part of any nuclear deal. Instead, in the event Iran objects to an IAEA request for access to a specific site, a “clock” will begin that grants the two sides 14 days to negotiate.

Wake UP !!!!

a reply to: edmc^2

This may shock you but I'm one of those who believe that organized religion will be done away with. It will start with those who are professing to be "Christians" then followed by the rest.

Can't happen too soon, as far as I'm concerned.

originally posted by: ntech
a reply to: edmc^2

Considering the original question I would have to say maybe. Though I suspect that peace and safety prophecy could have multiple interpretations. But I'm going to show you some prophesies that should be watched here.

Consider the prophesies of Daniel 8 and 11. While some people would say this prophesies were fulfilled in the BC era there is a problem. Both prophesies mention that they will occur at the time of the end. It's pretty obvious that the time of the end never happened. So I would say these prophesies are supposed to repeat. Now look at the timeline these prophesies create when you put them together.

1. Daniel 11-2 A group of 4 nations/kings in old Persia attack a nation in the west that looked Greek to Daniel.
2. A powerful leader stands up and counterattacks.
Jump to Daniel 8.
3. The powerful nation attacks and conquers 2 of the nations in old Persia.
4. Here's the bad part. Daniel 11-4 and Daniel 8 agree on this. The powerful Greek looking nation is broken 4 ways.

So peace and safety leading to sudden destruction? Possibly. But I would point out that when end of the world prophesies manage to score 3 for 3 on recent events well....I get nervous.

Yes, the book of Daniel contains many prophetic events which extends all the way to our time.

Consider the march of world powers:

Starting with the Babylonian Empire under King Nebuchadnezzar

He was told:

[Dan 2:39 KJV] 39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, .."

The combined Medo-Persian Empire was the kingdom that replaced Babylon as world power.

[Dan 7:5 KJV] says:
"And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and [it had] three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

And after this....

"... another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth."

Greece (under Alexander the Great) proved to be that kingdom.

Affter his death, his kingdom was divided into four.

[Dan 7:6 KJV] 6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.


Next...

[Dan 2:40 KJV] 40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all [things]: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

[Dan 7:7 KJV] 7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it [was] diverse from all the beasts that [were] before it; and it had ten horns.


Rome proved to be that kingdom.

Next...

the Final Kingdom - mixed in with weaker kingdoms:

[Dan 2:41-42 KJV] 41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay. 42 And [as] the toes of the feet [were] part of iron, and part of clay, [so] the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.


Which World Power does this last kingdom represent?

And which time period?

Our time period.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: edmc^2

This may shock you but I'm one of those who believe that organized religion will be done away with. It will start with those who are professing to be "Christians" then followed by the rest.

Can't happen too soon, as far as I'm concerned.

Be careful what you wish for, what will replace it will be much much worst than what was removed.

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: edmc^2

is President Obama unknowingly fulfilling the long awaited prophecy written at 2 Thessalonians 5:3?

To be blunt, no. How is this any different from any other peace deal in the past 2,000 years (roughly when this verse was written)? It hasn't even passed yet, much less led to "sudden destruction" afterwards.

I don't understand why every generation thinks it's living in the "end times" or is witnessing the fulfillment of every supposed prophecy. Now that I think about it, it's probably because nobody lists the countless previous false alarms. either way, things are nowhere near as bad as they were 100 years ago, as WWI was raging. If none of these supposed prophecies were "fulfilled" in the early 1900s, then there's no way they apply to now.

Difference is - NUKES and Terrorist groups.

We've reach the breaking point. The world will demand "Peace and Security" now that a (supposed) deal with Iran is now in placed.

Like he said:

But that is precisely why we are taking this step, because an Iran armed with a nuclear weapon would be far more destabilizing and far more dangerous to our friends and to the world.

Meanwhile we will maintain our own sanctions related to Iran’s support for terrorism, its ballistic missile program and its human rights violations. We will continue our unprecedented efforts to strengthen Israel’s security, efforts that go beyond what any American administration has done before.

And we will continue the work we began at Camp David, to elevate our partnership with the Gulf States to strengthen their capabilities to counter threats from Iran or terrorist groups like ISIL.

www.timesofisrael.com...

Oh really? You're going to go into Iran's supposed support for terrorism without going into Israel's admitted support of Al-Qaeda?
Israel treating al-Qaida fighters wounded in Syria civil war

Or the fact that Saudi Arabia & Qatar are the 2 biggest supporters of Wahabi terrorism? You know, Wahabi terrorists like al-Qaeda, ISIS, al-Nusra, etc. And those 2 are not only enemies of Iran, but are staunch Western allies.

And you brought up nuclear weapons even though Israel is the only country in the Middle East that supposedly has nuclear weapons? Israel even pulled out their nuclear warheads & threatened to launch them at different capitals if they didn't receive immediate aid in the Yom Kippur War.

Iran, on the other hand, not only doesn't have nuclear weapons but is forbidden from having them. And that's according to their Supreme Leader himself! People love to claim Iran is a theocracy when it suits their arguments, but instantly ignore their supreme religious leader when he constantly says Iran is forbidden from having nuclear weapons.

EDIT: Also, if "nukes & "terrorist groups" was what makes modern times different, then what about the Cold War? The major sides in the Cold war had nukes & were actually close to using them on several occasions. And there were far more right wing terrorist groups controlled by the West & communist terrorist groups controlled by the Communist nations than today's Wahabi terrorists. These groups took over many different governments during the Cold War, depending on the political leaning of the civilians. As an example, the communism-leaning majorities in South & Central America suffered from right wing militant coups. And the capitalist-leaning countries suffered from communist militant coups (like the Derg in Ethiopia).

Today's situation is child's play compared to the Cold War. So why would these "prophecies" be fulfilled now if they weren't fulfilled then?

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: edmc^2

This may shock you but I'm one of those who believe that organized religion will be done away with. It will start with those who are professing to be "Christians" then followed by the rest.

Can't happen too soon, as far as I'm concerned.

Be careful what you wish for, what will replace it will be much much worst than what was removed.

Like less hysterical bs and people not being attacked for 'religious reasons'? The horror! Oh, and let's not forget the sheer terror of no more 'God wants you to bomb so and so cause Jesus!' rhetoric.

originally posted by: Ironhawke

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: edmc^2

This may shock you but I'm one of those who believe that organized religion will be done away with. It will start with those who are professing to be "Christians" then followed by the rest.

Can't happen too soon, as far as I'm concerned.

Be careful what you wish for, what will replace it will be much much worst than what was removed.

Like less hysterical bs and people not being attacked for 'religious reasons'? The horror! Oh, and let's not forget the sheer terror of no more 'God wants you to bomb so and so cause Jesus!' rhetoric.

find me any Christian who advocates bombing anyone based on Jesus.
find me any Christian who advocates bombing anyone based on religious reasons / the Bible.

I tend the see the Big O more like this Jem...
Obaminator

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: queenofswords
I am concerned for Israel and its peace and security. Things are moving into place now.

Prophetic events are unfolding right before our eyes!

I heard the same things 40 years ago.

People alive 40 years from now will hear the same things.

What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.

Ecclesiastes 1:9, NIV

a reply to: works4dhs

find me any Christian who advocates bombing anyone based on Jesus.
find me any Christian who advocates bombing anyone based on religious reasons / the Bible.

John Hagee.

a reply to: works4dhs

Here ya go.. And this guy. Guess Hagee doesn't count.

Just a few off the top of my head.

a reply to: edmc^2

Be careful what you wish for, what will replace it will be much much worst than what was removed.

Oh. Right - a peaceful world where people get along and help each other out. Wait, let me think about it for a sec.....

You're right.
That would SUCK!!!

*gasp*
What the hell was I thinking?
*smacks forehead*

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: edmc^2

Be careful what you wish for, what will replace it will be much much worst than what was removed.

Oh. Right - a peaceful world where people get along and help each other out. Wait, let me think about it for a sec.....

You're right.
That would SUCK!!!

*gasp*
What the hell was I thinking?
*smacks forehead*

jut sayin, ya know.

Imagine a world ruled by the powerful elite/s with no one to answer to - a godless world.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: edmc^2

originally posted by: queenofswords
I am concerned for Israel and its peace and security. Things are moving into place now.

Prophetic events are unfolding right before our eyes!

I heard the same things 40 years ago.

People alive 40 years from now will hear the same things.

What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.

Ecclesiastes 1:9, NIV

Except that we have terrorist groups bent on acquiring the nuke. Once in their hands - game over.

Hence the deal - there's no more time left.

a reply to: edmc^2

It would look like the paradisiacal places that were Stalin's USSR and Pol Pot's Cambodia and Mao's China I'm guessing.

Horrible people are horrible no matter why they excuse their awfulness, but to those who would rather not understand that mankind is essentially flawed, it's much easier to blame everything else: guns, religion, poverty, society, race, etc.

And none of us is blameless. We all fall prey to the impulse from time to time because it feels good to put ourselves on that pedestal.