Planned Parenthood Sells Dead Baby Parts

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Ok, first of all, I automatically become suspicious of overly-dramatized, "scripted" writing like that. I have refused to finish entire books because that element has been present and I find it so off-putting, and it took all of my considerable willpower to finish reading this thing, but I did because I like you and value your opinion quite a bit.

However...this is total bunk. I'm sorry, but it is. I've read it several times and it just doesn't ring true, not even a little bit. Never mind the author's apparent inability to spell a simple word such as "intact", the obviously cherry-picked dramatic "quotes" and the fact that it is allegedly based on "undercover footage"...recorded by what agency? Just some "actors"? The video itself is reminiscent of a really bad B-movie, so I guess at least there is some marginal consistency. It is obviously something that was produced to stir an unthinking emotional response...and it will, because people do not think before they react when it is something they find to be personally abhorrent.

What purpose would someone possibly have for disarticulated fetal body parts? That is very similar to the urban legend about people waking up in the bathtub covered in blood and missing a kidney...it sounds horrific, but it is simply not plausible. If someone were in the market for a kidney, it would have to be coordinated with an organ transplant team to be extracted because it has to be done in a very specific way and time is absolutely of the essence...the tissue will begin to die the second it leaves the body and there is an expiration date on its viability for transplant. That is not something that can be accomplished in a motel bathroom, nor is harvesting fetal organs and other parts something that can reasonably be done during an abortion procedure. There is no basis for anyone "being careful not to crush" parts...they would just be disarticulated, dead fetal pieces and parts regardless. They could not be used for anything other than shock value.

I think people believe things like this because they don't have a proper scale by which to envision the size of a fetus aborted before 20 weeks of gestational age...these are not full-size infants with fully developed organs and limbs. The average abortion is performed on a 6 to 8-week pregnancy. The reason they have to wait until that time to do the procedure is to make sure the fetal mass is actually large enough to get it all out. It is roughly the size of a kidney bean at that stage, and largely unformed...if you were to look at it, you wouldn't be able to tell what it was.

Also, the specific language is suspect. During a suction extraction, which is the most common method of performing abortions, there is no way to "not crush" specific body parts...the fetal mass, placenta and uterine contents are vacuumed out at once, not surgically picked apart. The organs are not fully formed and would be of no use to anyone...part of organ transplant relies on comparable size in addition to other considerations for an organ to be successfully replaced. Ditto any other body parts...not only does the fetus not have a fully formed skeleton or organs; even if there were some super cutting-edge technology that could retrieve anything viable from a fetal mass, it would have to be done in a proper OR setting...a public clinic environment is already a hotbed for nosocomial infections as it is.

The fear mongering seems to be on an upswing lately in the human reproductive department. I wonder why? It is so very important for people not to just believe whatever insane scenario is presented to them...the people who fabricate things like this to frighten others and escalate an already volatile issue with deceit do not have anyone's best interest in mind, and this is nothing but pure emotional manipulation and lies. Don't fall for it.

a reply to: jimmyx

BUT now we are condoning it as a society and paying for it: an industry of death killing millions.

BIG difference from a satanist doing it in private…

the occultists literally have set up camp in abortion clinics and perform rituals while working… some even having YEARLY abortions for ritual.

Abortion - Illuminati Child Sacrifice - Witchcraft - youtu.be...

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: reldra

?? so, why even have the little bit at the beginning attributing it to 20/20???

just to make things more confusing, or to give the video more credibility by giving the impression that it came from 20/20...

I am not sure I even buy the idea that it wasn't all the old video, but well..
congress did investigate the charges before.

To try to point out an investigation was done in 2000 and it was found that no law had been broken. But the people who made this video don't want to tell us that. They also don;t want to say it is not about selling anything.

originally posted by: Verum1quaere
a reply to: jimmyx

BUT now we are condoning it as a society and paying for it: an industry of death killing millions.

BIG difference from a satanist doing it in private…

the occultists literally have set up camp in abortion clinics and perform rituals while working… some even having YEARLY abortions for ritual.

Abortion - Illuminati Child Sacrifice - Witchcraft - youtu.be...

These posts about rituals are madness. Who is starring them?

a reply to: beezzer

The problem is, it simply comes down to either the fetus has rights over the woman, or the woman has rights over the fetus. You can't have both parties having equal rights at the same time when the fetus is inside the woman's body. As a society, we had to decide whose rights take precedence. It was decided that the woman's right to control her own body has precedence until the fetus becomes viable, and can reasonably live outside the woman's body. It is only at that time that they have equal rights.

It is a difficult quandary, no doubt. But telling a woman (or any adult) that they can't have a medical procedure that has been approved by their doctor is a road I don't think we want to go down.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Verum1quaere
a reply to: jimmyx

BUT now we are condoning it as a society and paying for it: an industry of death killing millions.

BIG difference from a satanist doing it in private…

the occultists literally have set up camp in abortion clinics and perform rituals while working… some even having YEARLY abortions for ritual.

Abortion - Illuminati Child Sacrifice - Witchcraft - youtu.be...

These posts about rituals are madness. Who is starring them?

Hey simmer down. I'm trying to complete my conspiracy theory bingo card here.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: beezzer

actions or inaction

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

-Edmund Burke

OK, outlaw abortion then and women return to the back alleys and die of infection and blood loss. Be my guest. If you want to do something about it so much.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Verum1quaere
a reply to: jimmyx

BUT now we are condoning it as a society and paying for it: an industry of death killing millions.

BIG difference from a satanist doing it in private…

the occultists literally have set up camp in abortion clinics and perform rituals while working… some even having YEARLY abortions for ritual.

Abortion - Illuminati Child Sacrifice - Witchcraft - youtu.be...

These posts about rituals are madness. Who is starring them?

Hey simmer down. I'm trying to complete my conspiracy theory bingo card here.

LOL

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: beezzer

actions or inaction

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

-Edmund Burke

OK, outlaw abortion then and women return to the back alleys and die of infection and blood loss. Be my guest. If you want to do something about it so much.

Yeah, I guess that's the only choice.

Funny how liberals are all for social programs but when it comes to the unborn, it's just easier to kill them.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Let's, of course, not forget why there is this question at all. In almost every instance, it's because the woman made the poor choice to get pregnant in the first place.

So why is it suddenly, boohoo! You poor dear? It's just awful you have to share your body? If she really didn't want that result, why is it wrong to point out she shouldn't have been having sex to begin with?

originally posted by: Verum1quaere
a reply to: reldra

if you don't see the grey area they are trying to create by saying it is is a sacrifice and sacrament, rather than a horrible tragic loss or moral dilemma, I would say it is going over YOUR head, not mine.

Have you read the Bible end-to-end? have you studied paganism and occultism at all?

once you do, it will be VERY clear.

I have read the bible from end to end. It is a great piece of literature. I am Wiccan, yet you seem to have a better understanding of that, too. Please, go on....

Sacrament of Abortioon-Book
"Issues of life and death, love and responsibility are at the core of every religion. That is why the English translation of this book was originally published with the title THE SACRAMENT OF ABORTION, as it shows that the decision to abort may also spring from a religious feeling that it is the "right" thing to do, both physically and spiritually." Not as a sacrifice to a god, but such a difficult decision, on many levels. From reviewer Pedxing on the same page "Paris doesn't glorify abortion as a ritual sacrifice, she sees the decision about whether or not to carry a child as a sacred decision which involves life, death, love, motherhood, sexuality and the origins of each humans' existence on earth."

originally posted by: beezzer


Funny how liberals are all for social programs but when it comes to the unborn, it's just easier to kill them.

Funny how conservatives cry about abortions but also do not want to take care of someone else's unwanted baby.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: beezzer

actions or inaction

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

-Edmund Burke

OK, outlaw abortion then and women return to the back alleys and die of infection and blood loss. Be my guest. If you want to do something about it so much.

Yeah, I guess that's the only choice.

Funny how liberals are all for social programs but when it comes to the unborn, it's just easier to kill them.

You're so against abortion that you'd rather see hundreds of thousands of women risk unsafe, unclean back alley butchers and potentially DIE? Risk trying to SELF abort and potentially killing themselves? Watch as the welfare state balloons out EVEN MORE to care for all the unwanted/disabled children?

originally posted by: beezzer
I'm not very nice when it comes to, what I consider, killing of the unborn.

Nor should you be.

If I learned nothing else from "A Few Good Men," it's that you're supposed to stand up for those who can't stand up for themselves.

Enough now. Personal attacks, political trolling... Not desired. Not acceptable. Take it elsewhere.

This is obviously an emotive topic and it seems quite reasonable that consideration should be given to that but nevertheless the same T&C's that govern elsewhere remain in place here. Please remember to discuss the topic. If the subject is too provocative for restraint please go cool off elsewhere, at least until the T&C's feel reasonable again.

Any point, any stance can be effectively and powerfully expressed without violating the T&C's and while staff do try to be as understanding as possible, please help us by not posting in anger.

Topic from now on. No baiting, personal or political.

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: beezzer

actions or inaction

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

-Edmund Burke

OK, outlaw abortion then and women return to the back alleys and die of infection and blood loss. Be my guest. If you want to do something about it so much.

Yeah, I guess that's the only choice.

Funny how liberals are all for social programs but when it comes to the unborn, it's just easier to kill them.

You're so against abortion that you'd rather see hundreds of thousands of women risk unsafe, unclean back alley butchers and potentially DIE? Risk trying to SELF abort and potentially killing themselves? Watch as the welfare state balloons out EVEN MORE to care for all the unwanted/disabled children?

You do know that involuntary pregnancies are rare, didn't you?

I mean, rape, parthenogenisis, an argument might be made.

But all other pregnancies do have a voluntary aspect to them. (how babies are made)

a reply to: reldra
there's been countless charges against planned parenthood over the decades alleging all kinds of crap.
and many, many investigations...
can't anyone find a case where they were actually found to be doing something illegal?

and well...since I see where we are getting in the moral argument of abortion and how the right of the baby should trump the right of the mother,
here's a story for you entertainment if you chose to read it...

www.telegraph.co.uk...

originally posted by: ScientificRailgun

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
a reply to: beezzer

actions or inaction

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

-Edmund Burke

OK, outlaw abortion then and women return to the back alleys and die of infection and blood loss. Be my guest. If you want to do something about it so much.

Yeah, I guess that's the only choice.

Funny how liberals are all for social programs but when it comes to the unborn, it's just easier to kill them.

You're so against abortion that you'd rather see hundreds of thousands of women risk unsafe, unclean back alley butchers and potentially DIE? Risk trying to SELF abort and potentially killing themselves? Watch as the welfare state balloons out EVEN MORE to care for all the unwanted/disabled children?

No, I would rather people remember and learn to respect sex for what it is - the procreative act, not just something you do because you happen to be drunk, bored and looking for a little fun after the bar closes.

I understand that society has gone to great lengths to separate sex and babies, but has that really made our culture a better place? Everyone says, "Who cares about what two consenting adults do so long as no one gets hurt?" But it seems to me that this entire thread and argument is about someone getting hurt precisely because of something two consenting adults did without proper thought to potential consequences and how those ought to be handled.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: reldra
there's been countless charges against planned parenthood over the decades alleging all kinds of crap.
and many, many investigations...
can't anyone find a case where they were actually found to be doing something illegal?

and well...since I see where we are getting in the moral argument of abortion and how the right of the baby should trump the right of the mother,
here's a story for you entertainment if you chose to read it...

www.telegraph.co.uk...

I don't know about any cases. Did you find any? Sources?