Planned Parenthood Sells Dead Baby Parts

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: toolgal462
PP is providing aborted fetal tissue/body parts to the bio med industry - who will pay a modest amount to cover the costs PP incurred for gathering the viable tissue/body parts/fetal cells (whatever name you choose to call it - it means the same thing). This is all done legally. They call it a "donation" so that is okay.

And furthermore, it is my personal opinion that none of this is being done for the purposes of bettering mankind - or for "womens health" or to find cures for deadly diseases. It's all done for money. It's all business.

So, you don't support science that could possibly save a child in the future.

Right, nothing here to better mankind. Sure.

Its all evil and nefarious.

EDIT: had to say it, now out.

Good for you for saying it, but I never "said it". What I will add is this: IFFFFF a cure for some dreaded disease comes from any of the research then that would be an added bonus (on top of the gazzillions of dollars that big pharma/biomed industry, etc...will make). If I'm guilty of anything, it's of being jaded by the world

originally posted by: stosh64

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: Grimpachi

Then again the Salvation army isn't selling mutilated babies.

I thought the law said NO PROFIT regarding an aborted fetus?

Now it gets twisted to mean that as long as the profit stays in PP, and maybe fills a gap elsewhere and at the end the books are 'even' its ok.

This thread gives me a headache, and makes me want to vomit.

Bye bye

The salvation army makes a profit. PP makes a profit.

So that means it is legal for NP organizations to sell things for profit.

The problem seems to be that you have misunderstood the law regarding non-profit organizations.

If that causes you distress in some way then maybe the thread isn't for you.

Your right, I must have misunderstood that you cant sell baby parts for profit.

And you are right on your last line, this thread is no longer for me.

Thank you for reminding me, I don't know how I got sucked back into the vortex.

My mistake. I didn't realize you still believe that PP was selling baby parts.

It seemed like that issue was already put to rest and it looked like you had jumped to the issue of a non-profit making a profit.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: toolgal462

There are several people in my family who have had Alzheimers. It worries me that I will get it someday. If someone finds the cure for it, I don't give a crap if they're only in it to make a zillion dollars on their cure - I'll take it and be deliriously happy!

Exactly, but don't think anyone would be trying to find a cure if there wasn't a potential for zillions in it. That's all I've been trying to say.

originally posted by: toolgal462
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
I think they provide services that women are seeking. I guess I just don't like defending them as doing anything heroic because I think they are a business like any other business.

I don't think they're heroic either. They provide health care services that I and many friends and family have used. They provide services to those who can't afford it otherwise. I don't think they're heroes, but I don't think they're Satan, either.

And I think the whole business of donating body parts is distasteful and that doesn't make it unethical.

I think that donating organs and tissue saves many lives and has cured many diseases. I can't find fault with that.

But I have to wonder what sort of person would participate in these industries? How detached they are from what they are actually doing?

If I worked in the industry, I would have to be completely detached. To think very long about what I was dissecting or handling would make me ill. But I'm thankful that there are those who can do the job. Some people can foster dogs and let them go after a month. Not me. How can they do that? I don't know. So, they're detached. I say, good for them.

It's an extremely difficult thing to justify in my mind.

I get that. And that's OK. But when I think about the lives saved and the medical leaps and bounds provided by medical research and testing, it does justify it for me.

I guess I am reluctantly pro-choice. I don't like it, but I think it's only my business when it's my body.

I'm actually anti-abortion, but pro-choice. I would never have an abortion unless it threatened my life. But as I have that freedom to choose, I would be a hypocrite not to support every woman to make that decision for herself. I just figure it's not my business. It's between her and her God. From what I hear, He can handle it.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Well, here we are...53 pages of opinion and information from a plethora of people and sources...and it remains crystal clear to me that Planned Parenthood is absolutely harvesting butchered baby body parts and selling them to third parties...often doing " a little better than break even" (Quoted from Planned Parenthood Federation Senior Director of Medical Services Dr. Deborah Nucatola)...in profiting from those sales.

It IS what it IS...regardless of the "ick factor".
Choose to support and defend it...or be horrified by it.
We all have our right to choose.

True that,

I have been dwelling on this topic for three days, wondering what I could even say.

She sits munching her salad sipping her wine, nonchalantly proudly spewing her vile deeds, little once beating hearts, meh

Good god it is sickening

Callous and barbaric, one would think even the most disturbed of minds would have compassion and find this appalling, and find a modicum of sympathy.

I find myself lost in a thousand yard stare.

Heaven help us.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
Callous and barbaric, one would think even the most disturbed of minds would have compassion and find this appalling, and find a modicum of sympathy.

Sympathy for what or whom?

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Then even if we got off on the wrong foot - we do share many of the same opinions. And it's funny you mention fostering dogs - I have the same sort of arguments with people in the rescue community. I take offense when people who work at animal shelters claim to 'rescue' animals by killing them. And I do foster, but I tend to keep a lot of my fosters so I know exactly what you mean.

But that is way off topic so I will not get into it. I just really like to understand exactly what I am supporting or defending.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Stormdancer is trying to say the attitude and demeanor of Nucatola is what bothers a lot of people. As if she is talking about widgets.....

Seriously, it is bothersome, don't you agree?

originally posted by: toolgal462
Seriously, it is bothersome, don't you agree?

I see how people can think that. I understand. But I'm a pretty logical person and I know that the medical world is terribly gross. If we saw a group of Drs. sitting around talking about various surgeries, it would be very off-putting to many. I couldn't even dissect a frog in Jr. High science class. But people in the industry are used to talking like that. She didn't know she was being filmed. She thought these people were other professionals. I'm sure she would have been MUCH more discerning had she known the world would see it.

The head of PP has apologized for the "tone and statements" made by the Dr. in the video. That's about all she can do.

I could sit at a dinner and talk about the texture and color of dog poop and what it meant (and a lot worse) and other people would vomit at the thought.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: toolgal462
Seriously, it is bothersome, don't you agree?

I could sit at a dinner and talk about the texture and color of dog poop and what it meant (and a lot worse) and other people would vomit at the thought.

Good Lord, BH.
Have you dehumanized these poor butchered human baby bodies to the point where talking about their harvested body parts is analogous to talking about "dog poop"?

Show, at least, a little respect for them...even if you don't really feel it. These are butchered infant human beings we've been talking about.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
Show, at least, a little respect for them...even if you don't really feel it.

I'm not in the habit of pretending how I feel.

These are butchered infant human beings we've been talking about.

As I have said, I am anti-abortion. I think it's disgusting, sad, and horrible. I would NEVER do it. My being offended by the way medical professionals speak is not going to change the fact of abortion.

The fact that this tissue does eventually help to save lives, cure diseases, HELP other people, justifies using it for that purpose. I mean, if it doesn't get used, it gets tossed in the trash. How it that better?

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

So, then showing respect regarding "this tissue" is out of the question?

So it's been put to rest that Planned Parenthood isn't selling dead babies?

The TYT have a report on it, forgive me if it's been posted but this thread is pretty damn big.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
The fact that this tissue does eventually help to save lives, cure diseases, HELP other people, justifies using it for that purpose. I mean, if it doesn't get used, it gets tossed in the trash. How it that better?

I'm with you on this point. I personally don't see using organs and tissue for research or transplants as a bad thing. I'm an organ donor myself and I hope that should I die, another's life can saved with my organs. Using tissues and organs in that manor isn't disrespectful. It's just the manner in which it's done. I'm sure the folks that do the research have no ill intentions when doing their research.

a reply to: IAMTAT

And I am mystified why this is "news" to anyone. Where do all these aborted fetuses go? Where do medical researchers get stem cells from?

This isn't new, and has been going on for a long time. Any woman that's had an abortion has had to sign papers saying that she consents to donating the tissue to go medical research labs.

Everyone is acting like this is some kind of huge cover up that's been exposed.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
So, then showing respect regarding "this tissue" is out of the question?

I don't really understand how one "respects" body tissue. I don't have respect for the stuff that's been removed from my body in surgery (gall bladder, ovary, a goiter, and an ectopic pregnancy that threatened my life)... I respect people.

As I said, this woman would have treated the subject VERY differently, had she been aware that the world was listening. She thought she was talking ONLY to fellow professionals.

respect
[ riˈspekt ]
NOUN

a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements:
"the director had a lot of respect for Douglas as an actor"
synonyms: esteem · regard · high opinion · admiration · reverence · More

VERB

admire (someone or something) deeply, as a result of their abilities, qualities, or achievements:

I'm not sure what you mean. Do I think the talk is callous, hard to hear, harsh and even difficult think about? Absolutely! Who doesn't? But if abortion is illegal, we'll hear stories about finding this tissue in public trash cans, in alleys and in people's beds, while the women who tried to perform them die. How easy is that to take? Safe, legal abortion is the least of two evils.

So, I've answered your questions to the best of my ability. I don't see how donating this tissue is worse than tossing it in the trash. And how gruesome it sounds when they talk about it doesn't change the fact of unwanted pregnancies. I've been pregnant. I've been around for over 50 years. I have considered the distasteful facts of abortion. It's not like this is a surprise for me.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Okay, B.H. Thank you for responding so thoroughly. I believe you actually believe what you say you believe.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Can you show any evidence that there has been ANY medical advances due to using stem cells from aborted babies?

There are quite a few medical advances that have occurred using ADULT stem cells.

Claiming that stem cells can only be obtained from aborted babies is a red herring. Total BS.

There's another video coming next week. Thos story is not over. Hopefully, these ghouls are eventually stopped.

a reply to: Ignatian

Embryonic stem cells are special in that they can generate all cell types in the body - they are "pluripotent". Under suitable conditions, they can be kept in culture in their pluripotent state indefinitely, i.e. one embryonic stem cell line represents a potentially unlimited source of cells.
www.esnats.eu...

ALS (Lou Gehrig’s disease)
Neurons made from human embryonic stem cells can both send and receive nerve impulses when transplanted into the mouse brain, scientists at University of Wisconsin-Madison have announced. The discovery provides some of the strongest evidence that human embryonic stem cell-derived neurons, which could be used to treat a variety of neurological disorders such as ALS, Parkinson’s disease, epilepsy and stroke, can fully integrate and behave like regular neurons when transplanted into the brain.

Recent Advances in Embryonic Stem Cell Research

It saddens me to see the amount of flags for this thread, showing how many have fallen for this load of BS.
Kudos to the few voices of reason but it seems no one is listening to the facts.

The hysteria being spouted as fact is ludicrous and I'm dumbfounded as to why this is not in the hoax bin??

I work in this environment, although I am yet to be involved in second trimester abortions, due to fact they are one , RARE (8%) And two, second and third trimester abortions are often done in a labour ward and not in theatre. The fetus will stay intact and often the mother gets to hold it. Please try to remember that second and third trimester abortions are only ever done on medical grounds. This is the case in my country, if it's legal to opt for an abortion for personal reasons after 12 weeks in the US please let me know.


In regard to the video... Yes I'm positive this happens, women donate their fetuses to science so their death can go on to help others. These fetuses they speak of, must be second trimester, in order to get any viable parts, before 12 weeks there is very little formed so not much to harvest. So baring in mind these pregnancies are terminated for MEDICAL reasons and not just an inconvenience. These are most likely wanted pregnancies and the mother is selfless enough to donate it to help others.

How do you think these pioneering medical advances happen? You all bleat about doing more to save the child instead of aborting it (in utero) how are we to come up with cures and fixes if no one is willing to donate to the cause? There are amazing in utero procedures being done these days, with out the research and training on actuall fetuses, these advances would never have happened.

Yes she is emotionless, that's the medical field for you. We are not there to cry for others. Our emotions should be left at the door . It's not our job to judge them. ( I think that job is thoroughly fulfilled by the religious army, which is funny cos I swear it's one of the things that's a big no no. Don't judge others etc... The religious refuse to do this where I work, they sit on thir high horses and judge these women from the tea room. No matter if the women was raped, or the fetus is severely deformed.

What's incredibly ironic is that the cases where fetuses are ripped out alive from mothers is ONLY EVER done ILLEGALLY !! Which is what anti abortionist are wanting. Ban abortion and force them to go underground.
YOU and only YOU are the cause of these procedures.
In reality the fetus is already dead before it exits the mothers body.

But please don't let true facts get in the way of your hysteria. You can believe what you like, so long as it's legal where I live and I have a choice. You and your emotional hysteria doesn't affect me one iota. It just worrying that so many can fall for these blatant untruths.