Planned Parenthood Sells Dead Baby Parts

originally posted by: Grimpachi
The salvation army is also a non-profit entity yet they sell donated items for "egads" a profit (shocker).


If people are not railing against them and like organizations for that practice, but are doing so against PP then they are simply being hypocritical.

There are just so many different tangents people are going off on in this thread. And the only thing that is clear to me is that the both sides will go to just about any lengths to avoid focusing on the actual facts. And the video hasn't changed the mind of anyone who already had an opinion in the matter. Everyone sees what they want to see in this video.

I have repeatedly tried to boil it down to the actual facts and I find it sort of sad how when I do that - people on the pro-choice side are accusing me of all sorts of things - from being a "war monger" to a "zealot" a "right winger". Oh yeah, and lets not forget the attempts to silence me with threats of legal action.

And to Benevolent Heretic - I do not know how much more clearly I can say this to you. I AM PRO CHOICE. But stop trying to sell me a load of bull about PP and their services. You can fool yourself and some others, but not me.

ETA: Funny that no one from the pro-life side is attacking me - it's all the pro-choice side. lol

originally posted by: IAMTAT
How is THIS quote from Nucatola NOT evidence admitting that Planned Parenthood makes a profit from selling baby body parts? I thought they were a nonprofit:

1. She wasn't talking about tissue donation at that time. She was talking about the overall organization.
2. Notice that later in your quote, she says," Every penny they save is just pennies they give to another patient. To provide a service the patient wouldn’t get otherwise." In other words, any leftovers go back into the organization.

a reply to: dawnstar
There is a lot of creative accounting that goes on in the corporate world - both for profit and non profit. What's your point?

originally posted by: toolgal462
And to Benevolent Heretic - I do not know how much more clearly I can say this to you. I AM PRO CHOICE. But stop trying to sell me a load of bull about PP and their services. You can fool yourself and some others, but not me.

I never said or implied that you weren't pro-choice. Not all of my comments are directed at you. It's not all about you.

I'm not trying to sell anything. I'm giving my opinion, discussing and debating, just as you are.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

And my comment wasn't only about you either. Plenty of other on the pro-choice crowd are saying stupid things about me.

And you keep saying that I haven't made my position clear and I keep answering. But I'm not giving you the answer you want apparently, because you keep rewording then asking again. I just don't get it.

You are clearly very invested in the subject and want to defend PP at all costs. I can only speculate why. And I wont.

a reply to: toolgal462

my point is that they have been scrutinized and investigated way beyond what any other business of non-profit would be think of as reasonable and well nothing is ever found that ranks to the point of being a crime.

a reply to: dawnstar

Yep, they are watched like a hawk by the right, because they want to shut them down so badly. So badly, in fact, that they make stuff up.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: toolgal462

my point is that they have been scrutinized and investigated way beyond what any other business of non-profit would be think of as reasonable and well nothing is ever found that ranks to the point of being a crime.

Yep, see my other comment - there is a lot of creative accounting that goes on in the corporate world. So, yes it legal to make huge profits and still call yourself "non profit". Have you ever tried to read the IRS code? Anyway, PP has it all covered....they've got the funds to pay for the best creative accountants. lol

originally posted by: toolgal462

originally posted by: Grimpachi
The salvation army is also a non-profit entity yet they sell donated items for "egads" a profit (shocker).


If people are not railing against them and like organizations for that practice, but are doing so against PP then they are simply being hypocritical.

There are just so many different tangents people are going off on in this thread. And the only thing that is clear to me is that the both sides will go to just about any lengths to avoid focusing on the actual facts. And the video hasn't changed the mind of anyone who already had an opinion in the matter. Everyone sees what they want to see in this video.

I have repeatedly tried to boil it down to the actual facts and I find it sort of sad how when I do that - people on the pro-choice side are accusing me of all sorts of things - from being a "war monger" to a "zealot" a "right winger". Oh yeah, and lets not forget the attempts to silence me with threats of legal action.

And to Benevolent Heretic - I do not know how much more clearly I can say this to you. I AM PRO CHOICE. But stop trying to sell me a load of bull about PP and their services. You can fool yourself and some others, but not me.

ETA: Funny that no one from the pro-life side is attacking me - it's all the pro-choice side. lol

That brings out De niro.


Exactly, everyone sees what they want.

I am just amazed how much some enjoy arguing about it.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: dawnstar

Yep, they are watched like a hawk by the right, because they want to shut them down so badly. So badly, in fact, that they make stuff up.

And the left does the same thing to right wing causes, don't they? Is this about the subject of abortion or just another reason to choose a political side and attack the opposing side? Does everyone need to check with their political party before leaving a comment on every single topic of discussion?

originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: Grimpachi

Then again the Salvation army isn't selling mutilated babies.

I thought the law said NO PROFIT regarding an aborted fetus?

Now it gets twisted to mean that as long as the profit stays in PP, and maybe fills a gap elsewhere and at the end the books are 'even' its ok.

This thread gives me a headache, and makes me want to vomit.

Bye bye

The salvation army makes a profit. PP makes a profit.

So that means it is legal for NP organizations to sell things for profit.

The problem seems to be that you have misunderstood the law regarding non-profit organizations.

If that causes you distress in some way then maybe the thread isn't for you.

originally posted by: toolgal462

ETA: Funny that no one from the pro-life side is attacking me - it's all the pro-choice side. lol

If you're feeling neglected by the pro-life side, I can provide some attention:


Pro-Choice = Bad
Pro-Life = Good

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: Grimpachi

Then again the Salvation army isn't selling mutilated babies.

I thought the law said NO PROFIT regarding an aborted fetus?

Now it gets twisted to mean that as long as the profit stays in PP, and maybe fills a gap elsewhere and at the end the books are 'even' its ok.

This thread gives me a headache, and makes me want to vomit.

Bye bye

The salvation army makes a profit. PP makes a profit.

So that means it is legal for NP organizations to sell things for profit.

The problem seems to be that you have misunderstood the law regarding non-profit organizations.

If that causes you distress in some way then maybe the thread isn't for you.

Excuse me - how have I 'misunderstood'. LOL This gets better all the time. I worked as an accountant for 15 years for a large non profit. But somehow I don't understand the way the law works? It's a wonder I lasted 15 year in an accounting capacity isn't it?

My apologies to Grimpachi - your comment wasn't even directed at me. I was mistaken.

a reply to: toolgal462

so we should just shut them down because we don't like what they are doing??
okay..
now are you gonna continue you that crusade and push to get those fetal cells out of industries? like, oh I don't know Merk?? wonder how many who are having a fit about this have investments in Merk?

are you upset about all the money they gov't spends on vaccine developement?

abcnews.go.com...

or are you like hobby lobby who gripes about having to include birth control in their insurance while they have the products they sell shipped from china that are manufactured from companies that play a large part in enforcing that one child policy?

Could this video be edited? Absolutely! (apparently, the unedited video is over 2 hours long)

. . . transferring human fetal tissue is legal in the United States provided that payments are for processing and transportation costs.

But although Nucatola’s comments raise questions about the acquisition of fetal tissue and the ethical issues surrounding its collection, the transfer of human fetal tissue is not illegal in the United States. Women undergoing abortions sometimes choose to donate fetal tissue for scientific research and abortion providers do not facilitate these donations without their explicit consent.

The law cited by the Center for Medical Progress—42 U.S. Code § 289g—2—prohibits the acquisition and transferring of human fetal tissue “for valuable consideration if the transfer affects interstate commerce.” A definition within the code notes that “‘valuable consideration’ does not include reasonable payments associated with the transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, or storage of human fetal tissue.”

www.thedailybeast.com...

originally posted by: toolgal462

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: dawnstar

Yep, they are watched like a hawk by the right, because they want to shut them down so badly. So badly, in fact, that they make stuff up.

And the left does the same thing to right wing causes, don't they? Is this about the subject of abortion or just another reason to choose a political side and attack the opposing side? Does everyone need to check with their political party before leaving a comment on every single topic of discussion?

This thread is about whether or not Planned Parenthood sold fetal tissue for a profit. This thread is about a right-wing organization pretended to be a research company in order to try and "expose" PP. My comment is very pertinent to this thread.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: toolgal462

so we should just shut them down because we don't like what they are doing??
okay..
now are you gonna continue you that crusade and push to get those fetal cells out of industries? like, oh I don't know Merk?? wonder how many who are having a fit about this have investments in Merk?

are you upset about all the money they gov't spends on vaccine developement?

abcnews.go.com...

or are you like hobby lobby who gripes about having to include birth control in their insurance while they have the products they sell shipped from china that are manufactured from companies that plan a large part in enforcing that one child policy?

^^^^ This is exactly what I'm talking about. What are you going on about now? Do you even know? Can you possibly stick to the subject matter? Or start another thread or 10 other threads about everything else you keep bringing into the discussion. It's very difficult to respond to stuff like this. It's all over the place with questions/accusations/assumptions and logical fallacies.

originally posted by: toolgal462

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: Grimpachi

Then again the Salvation army isn't selling mutilated babies.

I thought the law said NO PROFIT regarding an aborted fetus?

Now it gets twisted to mean that as long as the profit stays in PP, and maybe fills a gap elsewhere and at the end the books are 'even' its ok.

This thread gives me a headache, and makes me want to vomit.

Bye bye

The salvation army makes a profit. PP makes a profit.

So that means it is legal for NP organizations to sell things for profit.

The problem seems to be that you have misunderstood the law regarding non-profit organizations.

If that causes you distress in some way then maybe the thread isn't for you.

Excuse me - how have I 'misunderstood'. LOL This gets better all the time. I worked as an accountant for 15 years for a large non profit. But somehow I don't understand the way the law works? It's a wonder I lasted 15 year in an accounting capacity isn't it?

So, did your non-profit make any "profit" that was put back into the services that the organization provides?

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: toolgal462

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: dawnstar

Yep, they are watched like a hawk by the right, because they want to shut them down so badly. So badly, in fact, that they make stuff up.

And the left does the same thing to right wing causes, don't they? Is this about the subject of abortion or just another reason to choose a political side and attack the opposing side? Does everyone need to check with their political party before leaving a comment on every single topic of discussion?

This thread is about whether or not Planned Parenthood sold fetal tissue for a profit. This thread is about a right-wing organization pretended to be a research company in order to try and "expose" PP. My comment is very pertinent to this thread.

I never said otherwise.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: toolgal462

originally posted by: Grimpachi

originally posted by: stosh64
a reply to: Grimpachi

Then again the Salvation army isn't selling mutilated babies.

I thought the law said NO PROFIT regarding an aborted fetus?

Now it gets twisted to mean that as long as the profit stays in PP, and maybe fills a gap elsewhere and at the end the books are 'even' its ok.

This thread gives me a headache, and makes me want to vomit.

Bye bye

The salvation army makes a profit. PP makes a profit.

So that means it is legal for NP organizations to sell things for profit.

The problem seems to be that you have misunderstood the law regarding non-profit organizations.

If that causes you distress in some way then maybe the thread isn't for you.

Excuse me - how have I 'misunderstood'. LOL This gets better all the time. I worked as an accountant for 15 years for a large non profit. But somehow I don't understand the way the law works? It's a wonder I lasted 15 year in an accounting capacity isn't it?

So, did your non-profit make any "profit" that was put back into the services that the organization provides?

They made plenty of profit and spent very little of that on the actual cause. But it was all LEGAL. So, what am I supposed to do?