Iran nuclear deal reached

originally posted by: Midnight4444
a reply to: SubTruth

No, you are correct.

It is refreshing to see someone say you are right when the argument is lost. This is a sign of intelligence and reasoning skills. I just had to do it myself......The other poster made an argument that was correct and well thought out.

originally posted by: SubTruth

originally posted by: Midnight4444
a reply to: SubTruth

No, you are correct.

It is refreshing to see someone say you are right when the argument is lost. This is a sign of intelligence and reasoning skills. I just had to do it myself......The other poster made an argument that was correct and well thought out.

Indeed, in both instances it reflects good breeding and remarkable integrity. Also, humility.

a reply to: Midnight4444

Not so sure about the breeding part but the rest I can get behind. Many good people came from bad/poor parents and learned from the mistakes.

Hello to ATS Members, This is a forum I have usually checked out every now and then, and sometimes find topics related to Iran to which it seems to be lacking the caliber and critical thinking which was Present some half a decade ago. And so far it has lacked a alternate Iranian & eastern perspective other than those who are a bit open minded and may subscribe to the ideas of Xenephone to be able to look beyond themselves and consider there may be another side to the story, or simply there may be a sharper blade them yourself, specially to look past the lies hollywood and zionist media "patriotic" bs that is feed to joe six pack. So from someone of the Land of the Aryans, and come from a political family and I chose to participate in your topics. I am not allowed a topic of introduction of my own so let this be a a brief introduction of myself.

This Nuclear Deal, is a topic a lot of us are discussing with very little approval in the Irani Miletery Forums, and this deal overall is seen as a "Bad Deal" and by some as a trap while others, a nice chess piece that can be used, Chess being a Persian/Iranian/Aryan perfected game. Now without much further ado, let me respond to some of your comments.

originally posted by: enlightenedservant
a reply to: notmyrealname

You're welcome

Many people forget that the US & Iran had fairly good relations when Rafsanjani was their President. They also forget Iran worked with the US right after 9/11 against the Taliban, and the "Green Revolution", where the Iranian citizens tried to get the clerics to step down.

I'm not from Iran so it's not up to me to decide what's best for them domestically. But I know enough to know that Iran is a beautiful country with many good people. It never made sense to me that so many people can hate their entire population because of a misquote from their former President Ahmadinejad.

Rafsanjani and the Larijani Crew are very much Hated in Iran by a wide group of people, his sons are as corrupt as they go and he can be either a nave incapable man, an considered a bend over as his right hand man Mr. Ruhani. All of whom are looked down as those who may try to take power even if it means to ally with USA/KSA/Israel for a brief moment. The only reason Rafsanjani is where he is today is because, He is a close friend of the Ayatollah, whom keeps him in check. The Greens on the other hand, cheered when Ruhani came.

and the "Green Revolution", where the Iranian citizens tried to get the clerics to step down.

You are very wrong my friend, Green Revolution was and still considered a CIA Color Revolution like you seen in Ukraine, Syria, Lybia and the US Frankenstine that spilled over into Iraq who knows for the what # time. Greens are made up of minority, mostly those Ubber Rich in Northern Tehran, Western Raised, Secularized, Those who's think westernizing Iran and forsaking our 7000 years of culture and civilization is solution to all issues. those whos parents fled during the USA imposed Iraqi Saddam's war on Iran where USA Supplied Iraqi Saddam with Chemical Weapons. The War itself was to overthrow the Islamic Revolution. And this was not the first time USA or West has meddled to over throw an Iranian government, Earliest accounts can be had even before 1953 when USA, UK backed the Brutal Sellout Puppet Dictator Shah Reza, to over throw the peoples government of Mossadegh whom nationalized the oil! Don't forget the SHAH was overthrown by the Mollahs by Peoples Demands. And since then USA has tried many times to Overthrow OUR Peoples Chosen Governence using all kinds of tactics from backing MEK Terrorists, Saddam, to Economical Sanctions that harm the ordinary Iranian, to children with cancer unable to get medicine as their parents are not allowed to import or buy it! Coupes are nothing new and the Green Zone scum you saw was a staged coupe, and the murder of Neda was an act all put on to inflame the situation. Greens want Iran to be Secular, an American Puppet like The Arabs or other states or perhaps a Turkey Model, for our women to whore around and wear cloths to draw sexual attention, for them to be as western women or those Iranians raised in the west, for men to marry men, race mixing, mass migration, selling iranian resources for peanuts, while half the women cant name baby dadies! Mainly it is a war on Iranian or Eastern way of Honor and Life. Which majority of us will never allow. They want us to be a carbon copy of themselvs or they want us to be a head chopper Wahhabi Taliban/ISIL Warzone like Syria, Iraq, Pakistan, or Afghanistan (Great deal of both later 3 states historically belonged to Iran).

Only if you had seen Iran and its beauty, which is hard to see in western media or anywhere, you would be astonished. I do intend to post a topic about Iran in time, And I do welcome you a tour to Persia and enter with an open mind, but do remember, a great part of our country is VERY cold with snowfall, (We invented the Freezer and Icecream) around 10 Percent is Desert and another 12% dry lands and rest makes up forests and mountains.

a reply to: Aryameher

Good post....A little hard to read because of the long paragraphs. That being said the average person in Iran is just like everywhere else just looking to make a better life for themselves.



The problem with Iran is the religious leadership that enslaves the population using propaganda and fear. Is this the case in other countries.....YEP. The US uses different tactics but the outcome is about the same. The US is a better country for a couple of reasons.......Constitutional law.....diversity are the main differences.

a reply to: Aryameher

Thank you for reply!

I think there is room in the world for Iranians to retain your culture, without being a pariah state. When you look at your neighbor countries it is easy to identify the paths you don't want to go down, but iranians are not Arabs or Turks, so you shouldn't expect to have the same problems.

Rather than focus on the negative possibilities, you should be taking those aspects of western culture you can agree with and try to use them as a bridge to meet up with the rest of the world. The west and Iran have more in common with each other than either likes to admit, far more than with the Arabs or Turks or Pashtuns.

Western cultures will always be wary of a culture that is based on human interpretations of religion, as history has shown those nations to be easily perverted into something twisted and violent. There is no reason you can't retain your religious identity, but still be devoted to the rule of law. Not an ever shifting religious authoritarianism.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
a reply to: gortex

Netanyahu: Iran nuclear deal is bad mistake of historic proportions

Poor Bibi, what is he going to warmonger against now ?
I guess he either consider doing the Job himself now, or change allegiance with his 'Muslim partners' ... Wait and see.

Bibi's in on it. His bluster is all for show. It's all a trap to snare Iran through inspections etc. The bombs will still fall, legally, when Iran trips up. Iran is going to be Iraqified just like the rest of the ME

I see your point, this deal is a legally binding declare war trap. But realize we are chess masters, we can turn the tables, USA Plays poker, Russian and Persia, we play chess. Iraq is nor Iran. in the 80's USA, USSR, UAE, KSA, UK and around 40 Arab states backed Saddam and Iraq, and couldn't take an Inch of Iran. From the likes of Alexzander to the Khans saw their defeats in our hands, USA will not be able to Iraqifi Iran, Instead if it tried it may even end up taking a fall it will never recover from and becoming Mexicanized if not Persianized or Russianized in small fractions. USA couldn't even Stop little states as NK or PK from Bombs so if we wanted them we would had had them and there would be nothing USA, Isarel or any power in the world could do about it, In any conventional war USA will not be able to come out victorious, it does have a GREAT Ari force edge that can do us massive damages but we can even the ground eventually, If nukes were to fly then M.A.D. will apply. The region as a whole will not see Nuclear attacks to a great extent as It hinders Israels goal to Create the "greater israel project" why would you burn down the very house you want to live in. So its economical Slaves, USA, UK or anybody will not be allowed to use them here.

And even if we were to pursue Nuclear Bombs, it would be Our RIGHT to do so. For now till this Ayatollah is Alive Nukes will not be available, its banned.

originally posted by: ufoorbhunter

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke

More like to other way around imo ... Iraq was an artificial construction dating back to colonialist era. The fall of Sadam will ultimately lead Iraq to the same scenario as former Yugoslavia.

Iran is in the same boat. It is also teeming with different groups. The Arabs can be used to stir up ISIS in Iran, Kurds there too in millions, lots of opportunities for outside influences to forment a Yugo style scenario.

As for the USA Frankenstine, Please, The Arabs will fall and be destroyed should they keep up the current course of Wahhabism, Secterianism and western backed insurgenies. And Armies of Xorasan (Persian Territory where the current Ayatollah is from) will rise unstoppable to the world. I am not saying this, the Prophet send to the Arabs himself said this. Kurds are Iranic Medis People, The whole region belongs to us as far as parts of Modern Day Turkey(Greeko Persian and Assyrian Territory) so dont be in doubt, when USA, UK and EU Devided up the Ottomans and created small fake states all over with Arab Sheyks as Saudis to loot and plunder and keep it in chaos. In such situation we will fight back the puppets, and we will seek reunification of our lands, god forbid empire then it would have to streach to north africa and arabia.


Yesterdays CIA Puppet Saviour, Tomorrows CIA Backed Terrorist

a reply to: Aryameher

It was all well and good until you turned religious nut job. You should have stopped with the ice cream.

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: neo96

Yep you are right on the money poster.......Iran is playing games just like the west. Problem with Iran is they let religious nut jobs gain and hold power and religious nut jobs can not be trusted.........Ya Israel is in this boat also.

Religious Nutjobs? Well its usually the crazy one accusing everybody else of being Crazy. One could argue USA has made more wars then the number of Years its been in Existence while Iran has not Invaded in 300 years another country, Since the Last Persian Empire Of Nader Shah in 1740's.

Wage Native American Genocides,
Importing Blacks for Slavery,
Colonial Piracy and seeking to loot the Civilized world
Butchering the primitive natives in the new world!
Land & Resource theft
World War 1, World War 2,
Nuked Nations,
Backed Zionists
Backed USSR Bolsheviks,
Backed Saudis and Wahhabi Power in Region
Killed 1/3 of Koreans, and Millions more in Vietnam and Central Asia/Middle East!

Causing War and Death for Zionist Paper Money?
Making Millions Refugees to Flee their country for Fear of YOUR Imposed Terrorists, Dictators, or Sanctions
Causing MASS MIGRATION!

Are you people mad?

We didn't Impose a Puppet dictctor or coupes in America, like you did and still try till today in Iran and many other countries.

Arm and Create Terrorist Groups who Bite us in the back.






We are Nutjobs, What is USA, Israel, UK, are Deranged Rabbied Mad Dogs needing to be put down?

a reply to: Aryameher

I said nut job, singular. As in you.

As far as your list goes, keep an eye on it there might just be room for one more.

Incidentally, I had nothing to do with any of those things. My family was living a life of European serfdom until the 20th century, so you can't guilt me with any of your false rehearsed outrage.

originally posted by: neo96

originally posted by: notmyrealname
a reply to: Strewth

How many countries has Iran invaded?
How many countries has Israel invaded?
When did Iran sign the NNPT?
When did Israel sign the NNPT?
How many nuclear weapons does Israel possess?

Iraq,Afghanistan,Yemen,and Syria, and 'Palestine.

Fighting their proxy wars against Saudi, and the evil 'zionsits'.

Iran 'boots' on the ground in every single on of those countries backed by it's MOIS/VEVAK.

So ? Do you complain when you have you American Boots on the Ground and Drones on the Skies?

Our Region Our Countries, Not some outsiders issue here.

When Syria is being destabilized by your Allahu Akbar Crusaders with Anglo Zionist backing riding in new in Toyotas did you complain, or say "Assad must Go! Assad must go"

like you did in Afghanistan in 80's ?
LIKE YOU did in Ukraine!
Like you did in Lybia,
LIKE YOU DID in IRAQ,
Venezuala?
Cuba?

As you did in IRAN in 1953, then in 1980's, 90's and 2010?

and COUNTLESS others.



West has been Meddling in Afghanistan (Formerly Iran) since UK's British Raj over India. Then Comes the USA who lured the Soviets to Invade the Same Mujahedin Terrorists who over threw the Afghan Government in 1979, to make sure Iran can't influence the nation. But that will now change!

Afghanistan is also our country, has been for 3000 years until 1880's. Afghanistan is a British Colonial Creation of 1880's to weaken Iranian Influence. Afghans, Pashtons while a Iranic people only make up less then 50% of the population while The Dari (Meaning The Official Language) is Persian, The Second Persian/Iranian empire had its Origins in Xorasan. They are our racial people. Extending from Armenia, Azarbaijan, Turan, Tajikstan, Balochistan, all were broken as small states of British Divide and conquer in the past 250 years.


The Illegal state of Israel has NUKES while not sighing the NPT, Iran is a Member of NPT. Nothing changes these facts.

You Secular Western nations have a TRACK record of Death and Destruction, Lies and Deceit. Mass Murder! You have caused more death and destruction then hitler while you come seeking excuses for your anglo arab zionist terror in our region. Nukes is Our Business, No Nukes is our business. Its Our Country, Our Region, and we will decide what we want and how we want to run it. Not USA, Not UK, not Russia or anybody else.

originally posted by: Midnight4444
a reply to: Aryameher

I said nut job, singular. As in you.

As far as your list goes, keep an eye on it there might just be room for one more.

Incidentally, I had nothing to do with any of those things. My family was living a life of European serfdom until the 20th century, so you can't guilt me with any of your false rehearsed outrage.

I dont think I was talking to you however let me address you. I couldn't care less what God or Religion you follow nor does it make what you say or do more valid. Its your actions and reflections that show in society that may make your way better then the others.

Well, History shows differently, its hard to handle facts, Your or your family may not be any part of it, but your people or nations as a whole have been involved causing problems for a great part of the world, including now ours! You people are like a broken record playing the same propaganda over and over and over again.

Your problem is with Religion, Religion is your Scapegoat, (Greek Term) From where I see it, All of them are Eastern Religions. And the current regime was put in place by majority of us, Our creeds are mearly to reflect our eastern ways, and preserve what is ours. Your the nutjobs not those who oppose you. We will not secularize our nations and allow this little way for west to gain footing for a future turkey model of iran. We have our ways, older ways, different then your ways, you are welcome to join or don't. Thats up to you, but dont expect us to westernize our nations and people are crroupt our society as your decayed one! Your President himself is a literal "bastard" born to a what I need not to name.

originally posted by: Midnight4444
a reply to: Aryameher

Thank you for reply!

I think there is room in the world for Iranians to retain your culture, without being a pariah state. When you look at your neighbor countries it is easy to identify the paths you don't want to go down, but iranians are not Arabs or Turks, so you shouldn't expect to have the same problems.

Rather than focus on the negative possibilities, you should be taking those aspects of western culture you can agree with and try to use them as a bridge to meet up with the rest of the world. The west and Iran have more in common with each other than either likes to admit, far more than with the Arabs or Turks or Pashtuns.

Western cultures will always be wary of a culture that is based on human interpretations of religion, as history has shown those nations to be easily perverted into something twisted and violent. There is no reason you can't retain your religious identity, but still be devoted to the rule of law. Not an ever shifting religious authoritarianism.

Well sir, Our Culture is not a little Piece of Clothing we put on by day and then take off by night.

Your Problem is with religion or Islam, You instantly jump into conclusions that I must then be religious if I support OUR Regime? Then You insult me as a Nut Job? You should be ashamed!

We know well which path we wish, Its called the 1979 Islamic Revolution when we Overthrew Your Western British American INSTALLED puppet scumbag Shah Reza who turned our nation into a backward model mix between Saudis and Turkey, trying to turn Iranian women into Whores, as men looked at Iran become a Secular Free loading Petrol Pump Client State. Today We have The greatest Scientific Output in the World, More Women in University then Men (During Western Shah it was next to non) We can actually reverse engineer or self manufacture things, have our own industries even.


We have many things Common with Greeks(in whom mythology we are their cousin brothers) and others in the Central Asian, Middle Eastern and Mediterranean Region, Not Modern day Westerners model of society. We have what we want, our exotic women who rather keep their chastity for a husband, our way of life, our beautiful lands, our resources, industry, Just dont meddle in our affairs, impose sanctions to hinder our progress, And you are welcome to join should you wish. We wrote the first bill of human rights, abolished slavery when arabs and greeks either inherited women as objects and sold them! If you knew History you would knew Real Turks are one of the 3 Major Iranic Tribes, Turks are Decedents of Tur or Turan that was Conquered by Iran by 800BC, while Ottomans are not really Ethnically "Turk". And Pashtons are another mixed sub ethnic Iranic People also Called Pathans. Their Dialect is an Older one that never evolved as Persian. While Arabs, well I have nothing to say of them, they care more about who belongs to what sect then the enemy at the door thats eating away their lands!

We couldn't care less what west is weary of, west itself is a decay of the evolution of a healthy Human Society. Zionism on the other hand was an SECULAR movement. And Modern Day west has caused more issues then all the Religious Wars combined in the past 1000 years.


So lets not make this a war of who is right and who is wrong, its clear, we have our ways, older ways, we wont accept any other rule on our lands, women, children or society under some BS Zionist Western banner of this rights and that rights. We are not the ones to Impose Sanctions, Wage countless Wars,To Impose a Puppet Dictator in Another Country as you did to Iran, Your nations did that, West Did that along with every major problem in the world since WW1! Its your Western Imperialism. You decided to burn down bridges between men and people and impose your will similar to the ISIL Terrorists you back on every body else! For West and Iran to make a Bridge its not needed we adapt each others ways, merely learn not to meddle or interfere in the regional affairs, which west will never do.

originally posted by: crazyewok
a reply to: ketsuko

The USA was not acting unilaterally on this.

The deal was formed with UK/France/Russia/China /Germany
None of which want a Nuclear Iran either.

It was not just a USA/Iran diplomacy battle as plenty of other were in the talks.

at the End of the day if you look at it

UK/France/Germany are pieces of the Defacto Anglo Zionist Empire who Muscle is America who will be used by Zion Imperial Banker Co. to further their agenda till USA has been sucked dry out of the life.

As for Russia and China, a Nuclear Iran is not an Issue for them, they couldn't care, Iran is not threatening them nor has bad relations with them nor did they meddle in our affairs as much as the West has. Actually Iran is possibly the greatest Ally Russians have, without Iran Russia would not have much of a Port in Mediterranean either (Syria was, is and will remain a Iranian Strapy)

From where I see it, UK, France Germany are like KSA, Turkey, Pawns, Insignificant other then being testicles for USA = While USA is the real player or merely a sock puppet.

While Its Russia/China/Iran Eastern Block.

originally posted by: SubTruth
a reply to: Aryameher

Good post....A little hard to read because of the long paragraphs. That being said the average person in Iran is just like everywhere else just looking to make a better life for themselves.



The problem with Iran is the religious leadership that enslaves the population using propaganda and fear. Is this the case in other countries.....YEP. The US uses different tactics but the outcome is about the same. The US is a better country for a couple of reasons.......Constitutional law.....diversity are the main differences.

You are Forgetting, The Iranian Religious Leadership with the Palestinians was secretly behind the Holocaust, The Bombs that Dropped on Japan was done by the Hizbollah Leader Hassan Nasrullah (Fat Bearded Lebanese guy) on Instructions of Khomenei. Then he also instigated JFK's murder as well as sending back The Terminator to assassinate our future leader John Corner. Iran & Assad are also funding Allahu Akbar takfiri Head choppers in Iraq and Syria. Iran was Also behind 9/11, Saddams WMD's and mass killing & rapes, encouraged by Iranians who forced US Troops to do those acts. Iran Also Killed Jesus, The Russian Tzar and is secretly behind the root causes of Global Warming. Watch out, There may be a Mollah under your bed who wants to buy your daughter for a camel.

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In all seriousness, the mollah's are put there by the people, Iranians are free, there were tens of millions from all over the nation to show support for the regime against the 2010 Green Revolution, many see these US raised Iranians as the biggest brainwashed and mentally colonized idiots who not only would think turning Iran into a US/Western Carbon copy will solve all issues but they want Iranian society to be a US Clone, Women who have been with more number of guys then the number of birthdays they have celebrated, Iran selling Cheap Gas and Oil to its Master USA while using that money to run the few ubber rich and rest to go buy useless toys and weapons/jets/tanks etc from the same western masters. The only freedom Iran is lacking is those Feminist and Ubber barbarian freedoms. The way we see it or as a Greek friend described these new religions "Freedom, Democrazy, Insect Rights,".

ISIL/Arab Wahhabi Islam and this American Freedoms are the two edges of the same sword as we see, and we rather not allow either side penetrate our ways. Only freedom left for Iran that westerners and green zoners would like would be to have is for Iranians to behave like another people, for perhaps bring western norms or what you see as Free and Iranians do not need or want? Men to Marry men, Women to wear cloths that would replicate westernized dress norms of mini skirts and tops to draw sexual attention, and finally for them to become acceptable to whore around, jump beds with ten different guys. See Fathers, Husbands & Family as Oppressors & bondage and all that even the common western man is tired of. Relation between men, women, society as a whole. The War on Iran is nothing but a War on Indigenous People, Breaking a Eastern Society Norms, On a Race of People, Their Culture, Society; Religion and this and that is but tools to device on lookers to jump on the band wagon of "Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran".

FYI - Here is the complete final document of the Iran nuclear deal :

Iran Nuclear Deal Text

originally posted by: theultimatebelgianjoke
FYI - Here is the complete final document of the Iran nuclear deal :

Iran Nuclear Deal Text

Read it yesterday, Basically Iran is allowed the following main points:

Sanctions are lifted, Frozen Assets Released

Arms Embargo Remains for 5 Years(?)

Enrichment only under 4% for next 8 Years

Arak is kept but Redesigned(?)

After 15 Years Iran can Enrich to whatever limit it wants.


UK Parliament is holding a discussion on this deal. They're talking about persuading Israel (AIPAC) and KSA not to scupper a deal. In fact, Phillip Hammond (UK FM) will be in Israel today, discussing this issue directly with Netanyahu! This shows western direction in this area. Obama will probably play a major part in this!

Deal is nor Good, Nor Bad, Buys West & Iran more time, Terms of west more time to recover, Iran time to beef up. I have a feeling this deal will fall and we will see it as an excuse for drums of war within few years. The worst part about it is, allowing military site inspection, This is the most worrisome part of the deal as our military secrets as to what goes on in the buildings is the last thing US needs to orchestrate an attack on Iran.This current admin(Ruhani) is not one that can understand a bit of war, all they know is how to live.

Iran needs to remove asset and play along for a bit longer till it has gained economic strength and then show them the middle finger. Sanctions were already falling apart.

a reply to: Aryameher

Actually some of the sanctions were lifted before the deal was completed. The following article was issued on Sunday before the agreement was reached :

Iranian bank joins SWIFT breaking blockade

Iran's Day Bank has announced joining the SWIFT transaction system, which facilitates worldwide bank transfers. The private system cut off Iranian financial institutions in 2012 amid a US-led campaign to cripple the country's economy.

The Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (SWIFT) blocked 30 Iranian banks from its services after the EU joined American sanctions against the Iranian banking sector.

Now the financial blockade appears to be crumbling, as Day Bank governor Ahmad Shafizadeh announced joining the system after a lengthy campaign, the Iran News Daily reported.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke


Iran can't arm Hezbollah on one side and claim on other side that it is not violating the arms embargo which is to remain in place for 5 years. Its a perfect excuse for west to blame Iran for breaching the agreement and not respecting the arms embargo. Its only this green zone funded scum administration like Ruhani who could "saved Iran" by selling out and walking into a trap.

a reply to: Midnight4444

The Iran deal will be like Obamacare.

It'll be voted along party lines, the democrats will own it, but when it goes south, they'll blame it on conservatives.

Obama is the Neville Chamberlain of our time.