Is the universe one big process ?

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
A wire is a wire. I've not met one person who thinks one end of a wire is not the same wire as the other end; not one. Maybe you've formed that illusion, but I guarantee no one else has.

Or are you saying the universe has ends, like a wire?

You didn't understand the analogy, and you seem to have misread my words.

The point I was trying to make was that the atoms at one end of the electrical wire, and that atoms at the other end of the wire, are similar to you and I. I am the atoms at one end of the wire, and you are the atoms at the other end of the wire. We share our electrons, we are distant but not separate, we are connected, we are one.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
At least test your hypothesis. Make actual physical contact with a grizzly bear, instead of imagining it. Your connection to it should become apparent. Cut off your hand and tell the doctor it is still connected to the body because "everything is connected". Unplug a light and turn it on. Unplug your internet or turn off your wifi and download a file. If you're the same as the sun, varying only a by matter of distance, see how close you can get to it.

I have a feeling you are purposefully looking at this in a simple minded way to mock me and or this topic. I apologize if this isn't so. But you seem to be confusing the word "connectivity" with "interactivity", which is not a simple thing to confuse, even for the most uneducated. Believe it or not, two things can be connected without having the ability to interact with each other. I have a feeling you already knew that, but you might just be pretending not to.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Perform just one experiment that proves you are connected to one other thing. It should be simple given your faith in your principles.

That was quite simple.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
The universe is many things. Earth is one thing. Jupiter is another. The sun is another thing. It looks like the universe is in fact many things, and not one. Unless, of course, you've seen it from the outside, which you have not. You're simply guessing.

Have you any idea how blind you are?

No really... you only see a small part of the electromagnetic spectrum with your eyes. You only see visible light. If you could see all wavelengths of light, you'd be blinded by a brilliant white light, and that is all you would see. You'd see everything as one thing, and you wouldn't be able to tell were one things begins and another ends. If you could see gravity and or electromagnetism, it would be even more difficult for you to see where one thing begins and another ends. That is because it is all one thing, with no beginning or end.

These "parts" you speak of are simply concepts created in your mind, because you have been fooled by your eyes and your senses.

Yes we have cameras and other instruments to help our senses and prove what I just said.

So the world could be seen as counsiousness or an illusion. It could also be said to be nothing more than a dream of counsiousness.

a reply to: More1ThanAny1

He is just trolling, because he's confused. He thinks he can prove anything wrong with just playing with words, with just rhetoric. He confuses the words with the real things they are meant to represent, he confuses the map with the territory, he doesn't see that the territory is a unity and that the map is dividing the territory in little squares because it's the only usefulness of maps. He doesn't realise that his own body is also apparently made of many separate things and yet he calls that 'his body", he doesn't understand that it's just a mental construct, a social convention - nothing really grounded in reality, but just a map.

a reply to: More1ThanAny1

Aah what the bleep do we know. How's ramtha doing? I should have known this is the proof that was coming. Ask any physicist about that movie. Sorry, not that simple.

No I'm thinking of a connection in the sense something is linked to another something, a relationship. Surely you know the difference between a connection and a mere similarity. But it sounds like you've adopted some new age fluff instead.

Right. A story about atoms on a wire. The fact that you have to imagine you are like an atom on the end of a wire proves this is all in your imagination. You are nothing like an atom.

a reply to: gosseyn

You haven't mentioned one real thing. Do you know what a thing is? You're just selling new age trash so you and others can feel better about yourselves, because it is the only way you can relate or connect to something else is to tell tall tales about it. You don't understand what a thing is. You can only imagine it all as a plenum.

a reply to: More1ThanAny1

Because we'd see all white light if we could see every wavelength does not mean it is all one thing. is this logic connected by silly string?

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: gosseyn

You haven't mentioned one real thing. Do you know what a thing is?

If you read the title of the thread you might find that there is no mention of a 'thing' - a process is not a thing.
What is happening is being all there is. It seems as if you are lost in concepts, all tangled up with words. Words make believe there are solid separate things but really there is simply this, that is happening.
Energy is appearing to move.

Would you consider a dream a thing?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

You've imagine all things, everything, and condensed them into one idea and one word. You're lost in concepts.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Itisnowagain

You've imagine all things, everything, and condensed them into one idea and one word.

What word is that?

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Because we'd see all white light if we could see every wavelength does not mean it is all one thing. is this logic connected by silly string?

You sir, seem to be having trouble with simple logic.

If you could see every wavelength, if you could see all light passing between all objects, you would see streams of electromagnetic particles connecting everything. You would see everything is connected. To you, in your eyes, it would appear all white because there are so many connections, you wouldn't be able to see where on things starts and one thing ends.

This logic is connected by scientific facts.

originally posted by: More1ThanAny1
This logic is connected by scientific facts.

Hardly. That "logic" is connected by imagination, and nothing else.

what a strange thread..

We can only perceive in this 3d dimensional with our senses, even if we create machines to try and detect something our senses cannot, we are still perceiving them with our senses... Which leaves no conclusion to all that their is...

What I mean by this, is I am pretty sure their in lies further dimensions or lets call them elements that exist in this universe reality or whatever you want to call it.

Hell for all we know we are surrounded right now by LIFE we cannot sense or see etc.

Our understanding of reality is like that of a new born child opening its eyes for the first time out of the womb.

WE know nothing and it is a little disappointing to me that posters are acting like they understand this open ended question thread, the o.p authored. It is grand we can sit here and tip and tap on our keyboard for days about WHAT WE THINK the universe is, or if it is a process etc. in any case their is no concrete answer.. It is a bit aggravating for me, and perhaps even the op just not knowing, and we have to accept the fact that it will be highly unlikely for us to understand it in our lifetime.. Threads like these attract Socrates, type people... Nothing wrong with that, I just do not understand why i see a bit of argumentative posts on this thread, their is nothing to argue about when their is no answer to the question. It is not known.. The process of light, electricity, gravity etc. still does not answer the question the op is asking, we are not all connected in that sense in my opinion we may SHARE but i do not think we are connected and it does not answer the question either..

In any case, Until we evolve further, I think we will not understand..

originally posted by: admirethedistance
Hardly. That "logic" is connected by imagination, and nothing else.

Care to explain? If you could see all electromagnetic radiation passing between all objects, you'd be blinded by white light.

If you could see the light passing between each star in the night sky, the entire sky would be filled with light. Same goes for every single object in your environment, you'd see nothing but light.

Care to rethink your reply?

originally posted by: More1ThanAny1
Care to rethink your reply?

Nope. Just because there is electromagnetic radiation between things doesn't mean that those things are in any way connected.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Aah what the bleep do we know. How's ramtha doing? I should have known this is the proof that was coming. Ask any physicist about that movie. Sorry, not that simple.

I wasn't talking about the movie. It is the famous "double slit experiment" that I wanted to mention. The experiment which first took place in the year 1801, and has been studied and discussed for more than 100 years.

I just grabbed the first video describing the experiment. But I guess you just want to discredit the rest of the movie, and completely ignore the experiment. That is not a very honest thing for you to do. Perhaps I should have mentioned the "delayed choice quantum eraser experiment" instead. But something tells me you don't want to discuss such difficult topics. You need something even more simple so you can comprehend it.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
No I'm thinking of a connection in the sense something is linked to another something, a relationship. Surely you know the difference between a connection and a mere similarity. But it sounds like you've adopted some new age fluff instead.

New age fluff? I have been discussing knowledge (in previous posts) that has been around for thousands of years. Just because you don't understand it, and you are just now learning about it, and it's new to you, doesn't make it new age.

You must have already forgotten my first post. The post where I explained several very real connections to our environment, and our relationship to everything around us.

What you are asking for is a systematic relationship, not just a connection. You want me to describe a situation similar to removing a cogwheel from a clock to make the clock fail. You want me to explain a case where if our human body was removed, some other processes would cease to work or exist. Unfortunately, I can not describe to you the purpose of life here.

However, I can say this... I am the Universe. I am conscious. I am. I can create. I can destroy. I can. If I cease to exist, and all life ceased to exist, the greatest accomplishment of all time would cease to exist, life, and life just may be the only purpose for this Universe. Everything you see may only exist for the sole purpose of supporting life, but these are thing we can't discuss because it can't be known.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Right. A story about atoms on a wire. The fact that you have to imagine you are like an atom on the end of a wire proves this is all in your imagination. You are nothing like an atom.

I am nothing like an atom? That is all I am, atoms. That is all you are. That is all matter is. We are all just atoms in a sea of atoms.

A story about atoms? Since you are incapable of understanding what an analogy is, I think you shouldn't even be attempting to have a discussion on this topic. You should see yourself out of this topic until you have the required skills to have a simple discussion.

If you don't think you are similar to atoms at the end of an electrical wire, then you should go cut a high voltage power line in half, and grab both ends with each hand. See what happens.

originally posted by: admirethedistance
Nope. Just because there is electromagnetic radiation between things doesn't mean that those things are in any way connected.

You are very wrong indeed.

They are connected via streams of electromagnetic particles.

If you and I were standing in a room, the light reflected and emitted from the atoms of my body would shoot across the room, then they would be absorbed by the atoms of your body, and affect the atoms of your body in one way or another. The same is true for the light that is reflected off of your body, and absorbed by my body. At that point our bodies are loosely connected by streams of electromagnetism. Same is true for all the objects in the room.

That is just one aspect of our connection. I stated the others in my first post on this topic.

a reply to: More1ThanAny1

No. What you describe is something (light, in this case) interacting with two independent bodies. In no way does that show that there is any connection between them.

a reply to: admirethedistance

You must not understand that light waves (electromagnetic radiation) are alternating electric and magnetic fields. So a constant stream of light emitted and reflected off one body onto another body is both an electric and magnetic connection between the two objects.

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Just as this mortar explodes out, I believe the universe came into existence. A singularity exploded into particles blasted out in every direction from the singularity, then a lifespan began until the particles/ debris coalesced, then in time cooled and then went out and collapsed. We are only a speck on a speck called Earth And we know, in millions or billions of years our sun will exhaust its fuel and collapse. Who knows when everything will go out and only be ash? Will gravity return everything to it's singularity origin ? Then do you want to throw in another complexity...... infinitely large, and infinitely small. The best minds have pondered these things, Newton, Tesla, Plank, Maxwell, Einstein, Hawkins and more.