Jesus Was Gay, "Or At The Very Least" Queer, Professor Says.

originally posted by: NavyDoc

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: NavyDoc

oh, I thought I was supposed to take the T&Cs seriously. particularly the 15a and 15b portions. feel free to look them up. better yet, feel free to ask a mod about it. I wasn't going to push it, but now you have me genuinely curious how that conversation would go...

And you tag line is "critic with a funny bone?"

Oooookay...lighten up. The world will be brighter.

not if my account is at stake.

you saying you wanna see my "funny bone" mr. "dock"?

theres me being funny. I hope you liked it.

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Annee

its okay if you don't agree with me. just remember there are thousands of Christians who probably don't agree with you either. so which is more Christian? you or them?

these are the questions i like to ask. if you only look at the box from one side, you miss five sides. also please understand im not here to convince you or win you over. im just discussing.

I see that you speak for the PEOPLE. That's a lot of hands to shake, sit down for coffee, and get them to tell you their personal views of Divine Jesus.

I speak for me. And I'm gonna guess there are others that think as I do.

I was impressed how Jesus understood and respected women, like most gay men I have met. But, I don't think he was gay. I am just thinking a gay man would have stayed pretty much out of the lime light in those times. Like, I don't think a gay Jesus would have gone into the temple, chastising money lenders and throwing tables around.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Annee

its okay if you don't agree with me. just remember there are thousands of Christians who probably don't agree with you either. so which is more Christian? you or them?

these are the questions i like to ask. if you only look at the box from one side, you miss five sides. also please understand im not here to convince you or win you over. im just discussing.

I see that you speak for the PEOPLE. That's a lot of hands to shake, sit down for coffee, and get them to tell you their personal views of Divine Jesus.

I speak for me. And I'm gonna guess there are others that think as I do.

im not speaking for anyone, im just poking around and making observations. and its not like we have a dozen federal governments based on a dozen different interpretations of the constitution. that would suck, wouldn't it.

a reply to: MOMof3

Could have been like Omar from the Wire.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Annee

its okay if you don't agree with me. just remember there are thousands of Christians who probably don't agree with you either. so which is more Christian? you or them?

these are the questions i like to ask. if you only look at the box from one side, you miss five sides. also please understand im not here to convince you or win you over. im just discussing.

I see that you speak for the PEOPLE. That's a lot of hands to shake, sit down for coffee, and get them to tell you their personal views of Divine Jesus.

I speak for me. And I'm gonna guess there are others that think as I do.

but not all of them. which is pretty curious for a "perfect" book. its not like we have a dozen federal governments based on a dozen different interpretations of the constitution. that would suck, wouldn't it.

You're comparing the translation of ancient texts to how the Consitution was written?

I know this is going to seem strange, but I actually think this is possible. There was something weird about Jesus, at least, if he was a real person. That's a big jump. He might be fictitious, given the broad belief and conviction would have for a couple thousand years destroyed or opposed any careful examination of the evidence which produced unwanted conclusions. "Your Jesus isn't real." wouldn't work.

Maybe Jesus had a mental disorder. Or maybe his ethnicity or situation was unique. Maybe his IQ was insane. It made him not trust common things, since his perspective was different than the norm. Some people think Einstein was famous not just because he was a genius but because he was outside the common circles and wasn't tied down.

It's not just anybody who comes out and defies convention. Usually it's someone who's young. Doesn't last long, though. It's like that scene in Planet of the Apes where the monkey man says "Don't trust anyone over 30." People tend to grow hard and conservative as they age. No doubt it's a correct thing to do. Most of the time when you try new things it fails. And if a lot of people can be hurt, you're greatly discouraged from doing so. Thus, it's logical to be more conservative: to reduce risk.

If he was a real person, that's what I think. Something about him was different or a situation in his life made him leave the herd. As result of leaving, sheep followed him like he's a shepherd.

Nothing wrong with being conservative. I've grown steadily more conservative as I age. It's smart thing to do. Yet we sometimes are wrong, even about things which we think we're right. We need people who're rebels. We don't want too many of them and neither do we want htem taking on too many risks. But I think it'd be a great shame and loss if we tried to keep everyone herded. That's overcontrol.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: TzarChasm
a reply to: Annee

its okay if you don't agree with me. just remember there are thousands of Christians who probably don't agree with you either. so which is more Christian? you or them?

these are the questions i like to ask. if you only look at the box from one side, you miss five sides. also please understand im not here to convince you or win you over. im just discussing.

I see that you speak for the PEOPLE. That's a lot of hands to shake, sit down for coffee, and get them to tell you their personal views of Divine Jesus.

I speak for me. And I'm gonna guess there are others that think as I do.

but not all of them. which is pretty curious for a "perfect" book. its not like we have a dozen federal governments based on a dozen different interpretations of the constitution. that would suck, wouldn't it.

You're comparing the translation of ancient texts to how the Consitution was written?

im comparing the implementation of those ancient texts with the implementation of the constitution, yes. which I wouldn't ordinarily do except they are both being applied (or at least deferred to) in the same temporal and geographical context. the US of A. at odds and yet hopelessly intertwined. a fascinating comparison.

I doubt Jesus was gay

This country has a lot of stupid people in leadership positions it is frightening.

originally posted by: ketsuko
And if you must believe Jesus was what you must believe Him to be ... whatever. The blacks have been doing it in their own churches for quite some time.

...cuz we all know that Christ was a white guy...LOL

“Anyhow, the beloved disciple is lying on the chest of Jesus at the last supper and is supposedly in his “inner tunic,” which is what we would call underwear today.

Where is the inner tunic scripture?

8 I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.

19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.

20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

21 When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.

22 Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake.

23 Now there was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.

24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.

25 He then lying on Jesus' breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?


It seems to me that at this point in the story of Jesus, the revelation of the fact Judas would betray him, would be an odd time for a hand job,

Rubbish

It is this disciple who, while reclining beside Jesus at the Last Supper, asks Jesus, after being requested by Peter to do so, who it is that will betray him.[Jn 13:23-25]
Later at the crucifixion, Jesus tells his mother, "Woman, here is your son", and to the Beloved Disciple he says, "Here is your mother."[Jn 19:26-27]
When Mary Magdalene discovers the empty tomb, she runs to tell the Beloved Disciple and Peter. The two men rush to the empty tomb and the Beloved Disciple is the first to reach the empty tomb. However, Peter is the first to enter.[Jn 20:1-10]
In John 21, the last chapter of the Gospel of John, the Beloved Disciple is one of seven fishermen involved in the miraculous catch of 153 fish.[Jn 21:1-25] [5]
Also in the book's final chapter, after Jesus hints to Peter how Peter will die, Peter sees the Beloved Disciple following them and asks, "What about him?" Jesus answers, "If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!"[John 21:20-23]
Again in the gospel's last chapter, it states that the very book itself is based on the written testimony of the disciple whom Jesus loved.[John 21:24]

and is supposedly in his “inner tunic,” which is what we would call underwear today.

Where does it say he was in his inner tunic?

20 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”) 21 When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”

22 Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” 23 Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”

24 This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.

25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

This is after Christ death, the disciples were fishing, they go to meet him on the shore, now this is interesting about the beloved disciple.

But Jesus did not say that he would not die; he only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I would simply ask OP what he thinks? Not being indicated
in the OP.

here are some of the other writings of Goss.

Jesus ACTED UP: A Gay and Lesbian Manifesto 1993, San Francisco, CA: HarperCollins
Take Back the Word: A Queer Reading of the Bible 2000 (co-edited with West, Mona), Cleveland, OH: Pilgrim Press
Queering Christ: Beyond Jesus ACTED UP 2002, Cleveland, OH: Pilgrim Press
Gay Catholic Priests and Clerical Sexual Misconduct: Breaking the Silence of Sodom 2005 (co-edited with Boisvert, Donald), New York, NY: Haworth Press
The Queer Bible Commentary 2006 (co-edited with Bohache, Thomas; Guest, Deryn; West, Mona), London: SCM-Canterbury Press
Queering Christianity: Finding a Place at the Table for LGBTQI Christians 2013 (co-edited with Bohache, Thomas; Cheng, Patrick S.; West, Mona), Santa Barbara, CA: ABC-CLIO

This man is just of one of the many anti Christ that have infiltrated the church.


1st Timothy 4:1-2, “Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.” ...

2nd Timothy 4:3-4, “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”

“And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Man Filed $70M Lawsuit Against Bible Publishers Over ‘Homosexual’ Verses
guardianlv.com...

Throughout the history of the Soviet Union (1922-1991), Soviet authorities suppressed and persecuted various forms of Christianity
The total number of Christian victims of Soviet state atheist policies, has been estimated to range between 12-20 million.

look at that short period of time
en.wikipedia.org...

think it can't happen here.

look look how fast it can happen.

In August 1917, following the collapse of the tsarist government, a council of the Russian Orthodox Church reestablished the patriarchate and elected the metropolitan Tikhon as patriarch.[30]

In November 1917, within weeks of the revolution, the People's Commissariat for Enlightenment was established, which a month later created the All-Russian Union of Teachers-Internationalists for the purpose of removing religious instruction from school curricula. In order to intensify the anti-religious propaganda in the school system, the Chief Administration for Political Enlightenment (Glavpolitprosvet) was established in November 1920.[31]

Lenin's decree on the separation of church and state in early 1918 deprived the formerly official church of its status of legal person, the right to own property, or to teach religion in both state and private schools or to any group of minors.[32] The decree abolished the privileges of the church and thus ended the alliance between church and state. The clergy openly attacked the decree. The leadership of the Church issued a special appeal to believers to obstruct the enforcement of the decree.[33]

In addition, the Decree “On the Separation of the Church from the State and the School from the Church" also determined the relationship between school and church. “School shall be separated from church,” the Decree said. “The teaching of religious doctrines in all the state and public, as well as private educational institutions where general subjects are taught shall not be permitted. Citizens may teach and be taught religion in private.” [33]

Patriarch Tikhon of Moscow excommunicated the Soviet leadership on January 19, 1918 (Julian Calendar) for conducting this campaign. In retaliation the regime arrested and killed dozens of bishops, thousands of the lower clergy and monastics, and multitudes of laity.[34] The seizing of church property over the next few years would be marked by a brutal campaign of violent terror.[35]

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ketsuko
And if you must believe Jesus was what you must believe Him to be ... whatever. The blacks have been doing it in their own churches for quite some time.

...cuz we all know that Christ was a white guy...LOL

[Eddie Izzard] From Oxford. [Eddie Izard]

a reply to: soulpowertothendegree

No self-respecting homosexual would EVER wear robes outdoors, or wear their hair long and unkempt.

Narnia, please. This cat was as straight as an arrow, or perhaps asexual. Like the guy who used to sing for the Smith's.

even tho it might be 'sinful' to discuss Jesus' sexual preferences it is a subject questioned for ages, his writings didnt indicate any particular 'romantic life either way, it really doesnt matter to us today or how we live our lives today, the bible wasnt a sex how-to manual, sex isnt even written about much just the basics, birds and bees stuff

a reply to: Stormdancer777

Where is the inner tunic scripture?

Where does it say he was in his inner tunic?

This is the closest correlation I found:

In John 13:23, the Greek word κόλπῳ (kolpō) is translated as "bosom". Strong's Concordance lists "Kolpos" as Word #2859, and defines it as: (a) bosom; (sinus) the overhanging fold of the garment used as a pocket, (b) a bay, gulf.

HELPS Word-Studies indicates that "Kolpos" is typically used in reference to "the upper part of the chest where a garment naturally folded to form a "pocket" – called the "bosom," the position synonymous with intimacy (union)."

Only in a single instance, κόλπον (kolpon) is translated as "lap" in Luke 6:38

Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap (kolpon). For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
- Luke 6:38