Shot fired by security guard at public meeting after his assault repelled by citizen (must see)

I have to think something is wrong with these officials if they have security that hides their name tags. IMO, that's a power trip in progress.

originally posted by: OrdoAdChao
a reply to: NavyDoc

And Norris is somehow not a self-righteous douchebag for walking up to him without so much as a "Hey man, let's calm down"? Then grabbing his personal property as if he is rightfully entitled to do so. And Skidmore, the activist, clearly speaks to him, though it is inaudible, which I would surmise to be a "Let go" or something to that effect which is much more of a courtesy than Norris offered him.

When someone has been pushed to their limits they will act out of character, and I highly doubt Skidmore has a record of this - I tried to check, and unlike my state, Ohio seems a bit more conservative than my state in those regards.

But I do suppose that going belly up to authority for the sake of personal safety is more palatable to those who find authority comforting.

Skidmore had confrontations before. The very video says this. Is it possible, just possible, that Skidmore has a long history of ignoring "polite requests?" It certainly looks like a possibility given his behavior in the video. Maybe, just maybe, everyone there has already gone the polite route with him several times?

Is it possible that Skidmore was the one continually pushing people to their limits, as long as we are going to use that as a justification?

a reply to: roadgravel

"Sit down and shut up, citizen! You have not earned the right to speak your mind or question our decisions!"

originally posted by: roadgravel
I have to think something is wrong with these officials if they have security that hides their name tags. IMO, that's a power trip in progress.

They are probably ashamed of their name tags.
For instance, in high school I worked as a waitress; my name tag said; Meat & Eat Robin. I tried to hide it...

a reply to: NavyDoc

I merely observing you reactions you seem to think the LEO's actions were justified .

I pointing out that people that are part of this tyranny LEO's Gov. officials military seem to think this behavior is justified .

I love the way you attempt to turn my comment into an attack

you apparently have been trained well .. and I mean trained not educated .

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originally posted by: RobinB022

originally posted by: roadgravel
I have to think something is wrong with these officials if they have security that hides their name tags. IMO, that's a power trip in progress.

They are probably ashamed of their name tags.
For instance, in high school I worked as a waitress; my name tag said; Meat & Eat Robin. I tried to hide it...

It's a power trip in my opinion.

Want to know the security guy's name? You will have to ask him. At that point he gets to ask you why and decide if you are worthy of knowing his name.

If he is on the public payroll. it is to be public info. Power trip...

originally posted by: NavyDoc
a reply to: R0CR13

...He looks like a self-righteous douchebag with a chip on his irrational shoulder to me.

And, the last time I checked, being a "self-righteous douchebag with a chip on his irrational shoulder" is not against the law. Therefore, he still has rights protected under the the United States Constitution (a document that you yourself swore an oath to uphold I believe).

a reply to: NavyDoc

I concede your first point. He does have a history of disruption, but in the case of the video, I find him calm and not falling to outbursts - although his approach towards the clerk could have been handled better. He could have been more polite, but again, was obviously making a conscious effort to remain calm even if his actions were approaching common douche-baggery.

What their (the council and security) authority represents is to, ideally, rise above common human weakness. I don't want to detract from this thread with my own machinations of why the idea is authority is inherently flawed and wrong - so I'll leave it at that.

Skidmore is a single human, Norris is representing an idea that is intended to step beyond our human weaknesses and approach them with logic, consistency and above all respect for the individual that cannot rise above the level of the law.

I only see one person who was successful.

originally posted by: R0CR13
a reply to: NavyDoc

I merely observing you reactions you seem to think the LEO's actions were justified .

I pointing out that people that are part of this tyranny LEO's Gov. officials military seem to think this behavior is justified .

I love the way you attempt to turn my comment into an attack

you apparently have been trained well .. and I mean trained not educated .

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Let's see.

"We can see who writes your paycheck."

"you apparently have been trained well .. and I mean trained not educated."

And you seriously say that you are not going personal? I don't think I've said a single thing personally against you. You really don't need to go that route.

I don't think I said the security was entirely justified and I've said that the gun was unnecessary several times, so you are incorrect about suggesting I'm justifying the security. It's obvious, however, that Skidmore is not the angelic victim people are painting him as either. I'd suggest that both sides acted badly.

As for Skidmore, he reminds me of the old adage: If you meet one asshole in a day, he probably was just an asshole. If everyone you meet is an asshole, then youprobably are the asshole.

a reply to: Krakatoa

Well said. I would only add that the representatives of authority in this video were in the wrong for falling to that same level.

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: NavyDoc
a reply to: R0CR13

...He looks like a self-righteous douchebag with a chip on his irrational shoulder to me.

And, the last time I checked, being a "self-righteous douchebag with a chip on his irrational shoulder" is not against the law. Therefore, he still has rights protected under the the United States Constitution (a document that you yourself swore an oath to uphold I believe).

There is nothing in the constitution that gives someone carte blanche to disrupt a public meeting whenever they damned well please.

a reply to: R0CR13

2 . resist the felonious assault with all you got and accept the consequences which would most likely be death in this circumstance .

Grabbing a lanyard is not felonious assault...

a reply to: NavyDoc

There is nothing in the constitution that gives someone carte blanche to disrupt a public meeting whenever they damned well please.

I missed the part where anyone asked him to leave.
I did see the part where he was specifically invited to look at something.

a reply to: Krakatoa

I for one Love The USA because ..

I can speak my mind even if I am an Ass about it .

Well at least I used to have that right .

I stood 10' away from president Ford no crowd and gave him a big fat in your face bird and called him a Warren commission sellout

He looked at the Secret Service agent and shook his head no ...

God bless America .

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I don't recall any official asking him to leave the meeting. Did I miss that?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: R0CR13

2 . resist the felonious assault with all you got and accept the consequences which would most likely be death in this circumstance .

Grabbing a lanyard is not felonious assault...

Then do it to a cop.
They arrest you if you get them wet.
We have seen threads on it here.

a reply to: NavyDoc

The 1st amendment protects the right of the people from the government "infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances."

From the video, he had the camera to expose the meeting as p representative of a free press.
From the video, up to the point of the security guards approach, he was peaceably assembled and petitioning the government for redress of his grievances.

So, how, again, does this not apply here???

a reply to: Sremmos80

read the Law

the men were armed and assaulted him and tried to kill him .

I think I could make that case counselor .

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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: NavyDoc

There is nothing in the constitution that gives someone carte blanche to disrupt a public meeting whenever they damned well please.

I missed the part where anyone asked him to leave.
I did see the part where he was specifically invited to look at something.

Did you see the part in the video where he had been disruptive before? Did you see the part where he touched the lady's breast? Perhaps, just perhaps, after multiple issues with this guy, everyone has already gone with the polite route and perhaps, just perhaps, everyone was tired with his shenanigans. There are two sides of every story and just because people do not like politicians or cops does not automatically make it true that everyone who claims abuse by them is completely innocent.

a reply to: TzarChasm

as much as i sympathize with anyone who is mistreated by security, its never a good idea to walk into the lions den and tweak their noses. he brought that ruckus on himself.

He has the legal right to be there as did the other citizens who were there.
I don't have the slightest clue what you mean by the lions den,this was a County Commission meeting he didn't walk into the pentagon with a video camera.
Please explain to me how he brought that on himself?
As far as I can see the Guard causes the problem when he walks straight up to him and grabs his camera and manhandles him as if he has the right to do this and everyone knows he has absolutely no legal right to do this.
The guy was breaking no laws by filming.