Training evangelical pastors to be politicians

originally posted by: dawnstar
I remember when Kennedy ran for president there was alot of concern that his allegience to the pope would be stronger than his allegience to the country. And this concern was coming from other branches of christianity.
There is nothing wrong with us asking the same question about the dominists, matter of fact, I think that there is more reason to ask it! Will they place their allegience to God above the country, will they be representing their constituents or their belief system?

Remember how awful Romney's Mormonism was? The funny underwear? The sly insinuations of creepy cultishness? They said it was *wink, wink; nudge, nudge* just so that Christian righties wouldn't vote for him, but they know the electorate. A good percentage of Obama's voting base are either strongly Christian (blacks) or can't abide Christianity in any incarnation (people like Buzzy).

originally posted by: dawnstar
Will they place their allegience to God above the country, will they be representing their constituents or their belief system?

They would certainly vote their belief system. Just like every other belief system represented votes accordingly.

As it is now who really represents constituents?

a reply to: ketsuko


Heck yea. Obama went to church for years...............

I thought this discussion ended when it was realized that trust in the electoral system had to happen.

You can have the best candidate, but if he/she never gets the votes, then their agenda is moot.

You can have the worst candidate in the world, but with well crafted lies and a good PR campaign and naïve people voting, and you'll have a successful candidate.

We see this all the time, we've seen it with the past few presidential elections.

Either trust the system or change it to a tyranny.

a reply to: ketsuko

A good percentage of Obama's voting base are either strongly Christian (blacks) or can't abide Christianity in any incarnation (people like Buzzy).

uh...I can hear you.

Don't talk about me, and stop slandering me. I never said anything about these folks "wanting to bring on the End Times", and I have no problem at all with Christians who behave in a kind and tolerant manner. I'm a big fan of the Pope, and that's very clear from my post history.

There are wonderful Christians out there, and on here. The EVANGELICALS are the problem.

Knock it off, please.

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Check out this thread ^^ in which I participated (and you should have, too).....

Stop bearing false witness about me, lady.

here's an example of one of the honorable Christian members -
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a reply to: Logarock
I would have to say that the the belief system that is predominating washington now is the belief in the all mighty dollar and the power it can bestow on those who seek it...

but no, I don't think that they actually vote according to the religious belief system most of the time, they allow it to yield if they see that it would be in the best interest of the country. otherwise, the US would be in a world of hurt since well just about all belief systems believe that one shouldn't lie and yet, when it comes to diplomacy, well, telling the world the truth would be a very bad thing to do for our country!

and as you go into the local governments, I do believe that most are more inclined to do what is in the best interest of their consitutuents mainly because they don't have the lobbyists throwing money at them to win them over.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Oh, I see. I must remember things wrong. I'll be sure to save your actual quotes in the future.



After all, I'm not the one who accused another poster of not having anything to do with any educational establishment that wasn't Christian after that poster mentioned Kansas State University ...

If I got it wrong, I apologize, but I am hardly the only one who makes false accusations and slanders based on impressions.

a reply to: dawnstar

Also with local government, you are less removed from your constituencies. You are more likely to know the name of the guy who just voted you into office, so it gets a bit harder to make promises and then turn tail on them.

a reply to: ketsuko

If I got it wrong, I apologize, but I am hardly the only one who makes false accusations and slanders based on impressions.

You apologize?

Why today? Oh right, it's Sunday. You do know that the "but" after your "apology" negates everything said before it, right?

Nope, you're not the only one.

And here is a quote from one of MY POSTS in the 6 ways thread:

ALL RESPECT to Veghead and those other actual Christians on ATS (of whom there are a few) who have risen above this and tried to rally their straggling, wayward, troubled, unpleasant trouble-makers to be decent, compassionate, tolerant human beings.

If the churches are a political party now, should they not be taxed? If I were a christian I would be more worried about going to Hell for disobeying the commandments of Jesus. How is forcing people to live your way changing hearts and spreading the good news?

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originally posted by: ketsuko

So you fear theocracy through cultural indoctrination? 1. There is no way they are going to be nearly as successful as you are hysterically fearful they will be ... unless you are afraid there really are that many of us who dislike where the culture has gone in this country. And if that is what is really freaking you out, it's mainly because you realize that we've been pushed too far and pendulum is swinging back with a potentially ugly backlash.

I don't think you give fear and anger enough credit for it's power to quickly manipulate irrationality from the public.

We are facing a threat from radical Muslims who undeniably seek a holy war, and have no respect for life art or culture beside their own. It won't take much to drum up a radicalized Christian themed response. Study after study shows that stressed out people willingly hand over control of bad situations to authority. A theocracy could happen in America, and if it was one that placed OT laws against Sharia it might as well be the end times with today's technology.

a reply to: mahatche

it was bush that started the "crusade".... it was he who declared the holy war.

Listen to Ted Cruz's father and the preacher discuss the end times transfer of wealth and the ushering in of the messiah. They are defiantly convinced that they are playing their role in the end times. They see themselves as the kings they are talking about.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: mahatche

it was bush that started the "crusade".... it was he who declared the holy war.

Bush believed he was on a mission from god, not a big stretch.

a reply to: mahatche

The west has been at various stages of a holy war with the middle east for millennia.

It's easy to claim that Bush started it if you ignore all the acts of terror that have lead up to it.

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: mahatche

The west has been at various stages of a holy war with the middle east for millennia.

It's easy to claim that Bush started it if you ignore all the acts of terror that have lead up to it.

I didn't say he did or didn't I said it's not a stretch. PNAC had big plans for the middle east and mostly followed through with them, while lead by a man convinced he is on a mission from god. To say Bush had those intentions, whether he was the first or not doesn't take much imagination.

What do you think about Cruz's father and pastor and their views on the end times?

originally posted by: mahatche

What do you think about Cruz's father and pastor and their views on the end times?

To be frank, it makes me uncomfortable.

I'm a Christian, albeit, not a very good one at times. But my faith doesn't hold the same apocalyptic scenarios as others who claim the same faith.

I remember reading an article about scholars circa 1000 AD who were certain that the end was near. Subsequent centennial endings/beginnings also carried the same portent of certain doom.

If God so chooses to bring about the "end times" then he'll just do it and not play about. He'd probably start by giving Obama a third term or making sure Hillary becomes presi-. . . . . . . . . . oh, crap.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: mahatche

What do you think about Cruz's father and pastor and their views on the end times?

To be frank, it makes me uncomfortable.

I'm a Christian, albeit, not a very good one at times. But my faith doesn't hold the same apocalyptic scenarios as others who claim the same faith.

I remember reading an article about scholars circa 1000 AD who were certain that the end was near. Subsequent centennial endings/beginnings also carried the same portent of certain doom.

If God so chooses to bring about the "end times" then he'll just do it and not play about. He'd probably start by giving Obama a third term or making sure Hillary becomes presi-. . . . . . . . . . oh, crap.

lol Hillary will never be president.

But I'm glad even Christians feel uncomfortable about their ideas. As an agnostic bisexual I'm screwed if they have things their way.