Spain Government Goes Full Police State; Enacts Law Forbidding Dissent

originally posted by: InvisibleOwl
a reply to: xuenchen

Yup, as usual you have absolutely nothing to offer or counter-argue, so you throw another inane comment in and run away. Your playbook is becoming old.

You'll have to excuse me.

I keep forgetting that conspiracies are not tolerated.

a reply to: Jonjonj

The "ley mordaza" or the gag law is a definite curtailing in principal of the ability of the populace to demonstrate against policies or situations which they believe to be against the public good, there is no doubt about this at all, and a large majority of the population are against it in principal, most believe it requires reform.
It is not, however, what some in here and some in the media are claiming, some draconian fascist/communist (according to the agenda of the reporter) Orwellian control of the populace by a police state.

Actually... yes indeed, it is. And it doesn't really matter which way you spin it. This gag law is just part of the security for austerity-cuts, guess why Podemos has been so successfull?
You seem to completely deny the big picture. High rates of unemployment is nothing to occupy something for? Lack of perspective maybe? No? Well well well... let's start your Brave New World then, but hand out some Soma first please!

a reply to: xuenchen

Sure they are. They just require facts. I will wait

a reply to: xuenchen

I keep forgetting that conspiracies are not tolerated.

Wrong site, mate! Move on now. Ya know... everythin is friggin OK!

a reply to: PublicOpinion

I disagree, I and many people believe that the introduction of the law was a kneejerk reaction to the protests (which I took part in, in the puerta del sol de Madrid).
I also believe, and again I am not alone here, that the legislation will be refined by the will of the people once the elections come in November or so.
You talk about Podemos, and I agree that they made huge inroads in the municipals, but you seem to forget ciudadanos, which between them along with IU and local political movements split the vote in many municipalities taking the vote from PP and PSOE.
My point was not that this law is a good law at all, I was simply trying to say that it is not, as is being represented, the end of bloody Spanish freedoms, it will never do that because the Spanish value their freedoms too strongly.
Their is however some need for control somewhere though right? Or should they block fire fighters from putting out fires, ambulances from taking the injured to hospital and the police from stopping riots? There is a big difference between Rioting and peaceful demonstration.

a reply to: infolurker


Brings a movie to mind....

Never go full retard.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: grandmakdw

Well, what would you prefer, a return to the far right of facism?

Fire up the ovens, dissent is illegal there, too.

It doesn't matter which side you are on, the people are all on one side oppressed by their government. The EU is a failed common currency experiment. Blaming it on people is a distraction.

the left and right once again vary from country to country. One mans left is another mans centrist. It varies so in truth there are many sides.

The people with the money (banks) and the people whose money is being held by the banks.

The ATMs are closed. Whose money is that?

ETA: Sorry, I was talking about Greece and the EU in general. Off topic, this thread is about spain. They'll get their turn n the banks closed breach.

What does that have to do with left or right?

Left or right is the provided distraction to keep eyes off them, the bankers.

Anyway I personally don't believe in using a bank. BECAUSE of this crap and they can"borrow" your money indefinitely.

Same here, banks borrow your money at little interest, loan it at tremendous interest, and keep it if over extended.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

Thanks for the everything is okay video.

Hugs, not thugs, lol.

My dad is spanish and i lived in spain for more than 6 years since 2007. And what I can tell you is that is so bad the unemployment, I think is like 50% and when I was living there it was sure 50%. It is really sad but is the truth. Very bad economy.

a reply to: Jonjonj

My point was not that this law is a good law at all, I was simply trying to say that it is not, as is being represented, the end of bloody Spanish freedoms, it will never do that because the Spanish value their freedoms too strongly.
Their is however some need for control somewhere though right? Or should they block fire fighters from putting out fires, ambulances from taking the injured to hospital and the police from stopping riots? There is a big difference between Rioting and peaceful demonstration.

And I say Bollocks. People are going to be fined for practicing their right of free speech now. Let's just chew on that for a while. There were laws in place to handle riots before PP decided to go full retard, were they not?
I would like to see some prove for your 'fact', that every demonstration in Spain is a friggin riot.

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a reply to: intrptr


You are welcome! And spot on with your other post, btw.

Cheers!

originally posted by: Zcustosmorum
Thing is with governments and their people, the more the government back the people into a corner, they're gonna snap back at some point. I think that several places around the globe have seen people being backed into corners.

It's a good thing the Spanish people always made sure to stay well armed and not let their government over restrict their ability to access guns.

Oh wait. Never mind the people of Spain actually did give up their access to guns. Knowing that, I'm not surprised the government thinks they can restrict speech in that country, because, well, it can. It was just a matter of time and it really didn't take that long.

Nothing good happens when good people voluntarily disarm themselves.

a reply to: Jonjonj

Their is however some need for control somewhere though right? Or should they block fire fighters from putting out fires, ambulances from taking the injured to hospital and the police from stopping riots? There is a big difference between Rioting and peaceful demonstration.

The police protect the powers that be, not the people. They always call protests riots, gives them "authority" to break them up.

Once the police become abusive, the people resist… presto chango, its a riot.

The people are only demonstrating in the street in the first place because the avenue for redress of grievances doesn't exist.

a reply to: intrptr

I live in Spain and I always get a good laugh out of this vid. In it you see the police grab one of their own agent provocateurs and start bashing him, while he yells "¡Soy compañero!" , meaning "I'm one of you"...

a reply to: PublicOpinion

I think you need to calm down fella. If you don't agree with what I say fine.

originally posted by: charolais
This is extremely depressing... that is all I have to say.

Yes, that and the fact that this STUPID law will bring about massive turmoil and probable revolution in Spain.

A bumpy road ahead for Spain, in all likelihood, ending with politicians and police chiefs hanging from lamp posts methinks.

The economic stress here has caused turmoil in Spain

Strangely enough the Spanish economic issue that plaques the country started with the same thing that ruined the economy in America in ( 2007-8) a housing bubble perpetuated by Spanish banks.


The Spanish apparently didn’t have a Fed to feed their banks


I am not an expert on this but need to do more research but again there is the banks and the housing bubble behind this.

...interesting

The Spanish banking system had been credited as one of the most solid and best equipped among all Western economies to cope with the worldwide liquidity crisis, thanks to the country's conservative banking rules and practices. Banks are required to have high capital provisions and demand various proofs and securities from intending borrowers. Nevertheless this practice was greatly relaxed during the housing bubble, a trend to which the regulator (Banco de España) turned a blind eye.

Spain's unusual accounting standards, intended to smooth earnings over the business cycle, have misled regulators and analysts by hiding losses and earnings volatility. The accounting technique of "dynamic provisioning", which violated the standards set by the International Accounting Standards Board, obscured capital cushions until they were depleted, allowing the appearance of health as problems mounted.[4]

en.wikipedia.org...

All of a sudden bankers getting dumb at the same time is a strange phenomena

a reply to: Greathouse

I disagree....China isn't communist and neither was the Soviet Union although they claim to be.
They are or were in the Soviet Unions case both Fascist Military Dictatorships.

Hitler also claimed he was a National Socialist(he maybe a Nationalist but he definitely wasn't a Socialist.)

I have noticed quite a few people saying that this will eventually bring about a revolution in Spain.
Not Necessarily so....When Governments go Fascist there is usually very little resistance because most people become too frightened of the Government and so go along with it.
They don't go all out Police State overnight,it is a slow process whereby they take away a freedom here and a freedom there slowly over a period of time and people don't object or let it go on until they wake up one morning in a Fascist Military Police State where they are terrified to speak out against it.
Look at North Korea,the Old Soviet Union,Italy etc.
And the prime example of course is Nazi Germany.
Any German opposed to the Fascists either kept their traps shut or were sent to a Re-education Camp(concentration camps).

Also remember.....when the Nazis came to power they made "all other political parties Illegal."