Press Banned from Jade Helm Exercises

originally posted by: Shamrock6
Special Forces and Special Operations "often" have embedded reporters overseas?

I'm running the BS flag all the way to the top on that one. That's complete crap. And when they DO have a reporter embedded with them, they're typically not allowed to broadcast anything "as it happens." Everything they send out is looked at to make sure names are redacted or changed and faces aren't shown, whenever warranted.

Beyond that, it's training. Since when do reporters embed for training?

Dammit that's right, this is martial law prep and that's why they don't want reporters in the units. Because keeping reporters from embedding will totally stop people from finding out what's happening in Texas.

In the article linked in the OP is an example of an journalist imbedding in a training exercise. No one asked for broadcast 'as it happens'. If you think it is for martial law prep, ok. I never said what I thought it was for.

a reply to: reldra

They're deploying as a liaison with the SOCOM during the exercise.

The governor's office downplayed the move, saying it fell in line with the state guard's standard responsibility of acting as a liaison when federal military deploys in Texas for any reason.

State Guard spokesman Lt. Col. Joanne MacGregor said in a statement that the guard's role would be "to expedite the flow of information and facilitate communication between the Office of the Governor in order to alleviate any possible public concerns."

The upside, she said in a clarifying email, was in utilizing Betty and the guard he commands for the governor as Abbott's designated representative for the exercise.

"They understand military operations as well as what details of the exercise are important to communicate locally in Texas communities," MacGregor wrote of Betty and the guard.

www.armytimes.com...

a reply to: reldra

Then it would be "preparing to deploy". Deployed means they're already in the field and operating.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: reldra

It is stupid. These training exercises happen all the time. There was an even BIGGER training operation that occurred in the EXACT same spots in the early 2000's, but we didn't hear a PEEP about it in the media. Probably because we had a Republican in office when it happened.

Why is it that you guys question this account? There are FORMER military in this very thread telling you how this crap works and you are just blowing it off to talk about some silly idea about encroaching martial law.

It is not some silly idea. I am taken aback by vehement reaction from you and a couple others on a website that is often concerned with law enforcement, non transparency of the government, etc. I get words like 'silly' and 'stupid'.
I don't understand why the political affiliation of the President matters here. Most websites focusing on this are right wing. The MSM has spent very little time on this. They have paid attention today due to the media ban and rightly so.

EXACTLY! That is a HUGE tip-off to the silliness of this conspiracy. The right wing media gets its ratings and viewership from overexaggerating non-existent threats.

You don't say? Thanks for that classified info Captain Obvious. Not for every issue all the time. I have been following and researching this for a long time and really, really want to stay with the original topic.

Well then what makes this a credible threat then? Whenever -I- see the right wing media exclusively reporting on an "issue" I automatically chalk it up to hyperbole. You have to prove otherwise to me before I will believe otherwise. The right wing media cries "wolf" WAY too often to take anything originating from them seriously.

It is not the right wing media that exclusively reported on the press ban.

The press ban is irrelevant since it is SOP for military training exercises anyways.

Not exactly, the article linked in the OP talks about a recent one.

WOW, i took a nap get up and some of the same people are still hammering at this thread.

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

It was Sorcha Fail that wrote that article.

www.whatdoesitmean.com...

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: reldra

Then it would be "preparing to deploy". Deployed means they're already in the field and operating.

The source I gave says they are deployed. So, they are deployed then.

a reply to: reldra

??? That post was from 3 hours ago.

originally posted by: grimpachi
It seems explaining SOP to civilians is an exercise in futility. They ask questions and do not even consider the answers that are given.

Pretty soon they will be asking for SF facebook pages and if the answer was they do not have a Facebook page they would fabricate a nefarious reason.

Facebook pages? That is ridiculous. Maybe you could read the original post and the article in it.

a reply to: reldra

And that's why I'm asking how they can be deployed to monitor something that isn't happening yet. Jade Helm doesn't start until the 15th, so there's nothing to monitor until then, so how are they monitoring Jade Helm?

Just maybe the source is wrong.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: reldra

??? That post was from 3 hours ago.

Sorry, the time stamp on my posts is off.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

You call them police actions if you like. The differences are evaporating.

Those images should upset everyone. I remember watching the Boston Manhunt sweeps in horror. Every bill of rights amendment was squashed that day. Can't even imagine what might have happened if one citizen stood their ground refusing entry or God Forbid, took a pot shot at a military column. They would raze the hood to the ground.

All they have to do is declare terror and anything goes.

I'm not fooled by innocuous language and gentle euphemisms.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: ScientificRailgun

It was Sorcha Fail that wrote that article.

www.whatdoesitmean.com...

Ahhhh... All I needed was that name. Opinion discarded.

Thanks

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: reldra

They're deploying as a liaison with the SOCOM during the exercise.

The governor's office downplayed the move, saying it fell in line with the state guard's standard responsibility of acting as a liaison when federal military deploys in Texas for any reason.

State Guard spokesman Lt. Col. Joanne MacGregor said in a statement that the guard's role would be "to expedite the flow of information and facilitate communication between the Office of the Governor in order to alleviate any possible public concerns."

The upside, she said in a clarifying email, was in utilizing Betty and the guard he commands for the governor as Abbott's designated representative for the exercise.

"They understand military operations as well as what details of the exercise are important to communicate locally in Texas communities," MacGregor wrote of Betty and the guard.

www.armytimes.com...

It has been stated both as 'a liason' and 'to monitor'. It says monitor in the article in the link in the OP and that article is dated yesterday. Yours is dated May 8.

The thread is about the press ban. Not the Texas guard and it's technical status.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Krazysh0t

You call them police actions if you like. The differences are evaporating.

Well they were conducted by the police. So what would you call them?

Those images should upset everyone. I remember watching the Boston Manhunt sweeps in horror. Every bill of rights amendment was squashed that day. Can't even imagine what might have happened if one citizen stood their ground refusing entry or God Forbid, took a pot shot at a military column. They would raze the hood to the ground.

So now you are trying to create an appeal to emotion fallacy towards the police overreacting in a thread about the military? Regardless of how those pictures make me feel, those are pictures of the local police reacting to domestic terrorism. Jade Helm involves the military. A federal organization. It is a complete apples to oranges comparison and therefore a complete appeal to emotion fallacy.

All they have to do is declare terror and anything goes.

I'm not fooled by innocuous language and gentle euphemisms.

Declare terror? During a training exercise? Do you just spent every waking moment of your life in fear or something?

a reply to: ScientificRailgun

See! I was close with my guess to its origins!

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: reldra

And that's why I'm asking how they can be deployed to monitor something that isn't happening yet. Jade Helm doesn't start until the 15th, so there's nothing to monitor until then, so how are they monitoring Jade Helm?

Just maybe the source is wrong.

Maybe it's not.

a reply to: reldra

Do you know what a liaison does? They monitor and coordinate between the military and civilian agencies.

a reply to: reldra

Then maybe you can explain how they're already deployed monitoring something that hasn't happened yet.

Hmm, a little more on the Texas State Guard:

The Texas State Guard is not part of the U.S. military or the National Guard — and neither the Pentagon nor the White House have any authority over it. It’s not a combat organization and its members don’t carry weapons.

So what does it do? It’s often referred to as a state “militia,” but it’s perhaps more accurate to describe it as an auxiliary disaster-relief force under the authority of the governor. Its largest and most important mission is responding to hurricanes.

During 2005’s Hurricane Katrina, Texas mobilized 950 State Guard troopers to manage shelters near the Louisiana border — and 1,100 troopers during Hurricane Rita later that year. In total, the State Guard has around 2,000 members with its headquarters in Austin.

The State Guard can assess damage, manage roadblocks on flooded roads or deploy search-and-rescue and medical units. But its main job is to take the pressure off other first responders by managing shelters, keeping tabs on evacuees with special needs — such as the elderly or people with disabilities — and handling communications.

medium.com...

According to the Public Affairs Office of the Texas Military Forces, the qualifications for joining the TSG include being a healthy resident of Texas for at least 180 days; being between the ages of 18 and 70; having a valid Texas driver's license; and being able to pass a criminal background check. If those standards appear rather light, it's because they are. Your average mall cop might go through more -- which seems about right for a force normally used solely for emergency support, like during the recent wave of floods in Texas.

When they do get called up, State Guard members are paid a daily stipend of $121, regardless of rank. The pay they would receive for a monthlong activation would almost equal the pay for all but the most senior enlisted in the TXARNG, which would be pretty expensive given Abbott’s order to monitor the two-month-long exercise.

With Jade Helm 15 approaching, Abbott is still finalizing the details of the State Guard’s involvement, and its cost to Texans. The last state budget had set the cost of the State Guard at $495,000, a pretty hefty amount for what is essentially a Veterans of Foreign Wars Post ready to help in times of need. Whether the monitoring of actual soldiers conducting training is considered a state emergency on par with the recent level of flooding has yet to be determined. With some of the more than 2,000 State Guard members having already begun assisting with the wave of deadly floods, it's unclear how many troops Abbott will be able to rally for his showdown with the U.S. Army Special Operations Command.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

So what exactly are they going to do to stop this again?

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: reldra

Do you know what a liaison does? They monitor and coordinate between the military and civilian agencies.

The first mention of liason here, from someone else, was insinuating it was one person who was helping which is nit the case.

a reply to: reldra

Whether it's one, or three, it doesn't matter. They're liaising with the SOCOM to monitor the exercise and reporting to the Governor. The Texas State Guard wouldn't even slow down a group of pissed off boy scouts after reading about them