Political correctness scares me .

a reply to: ketsuko

Look up the list of words Seattle's government has banned. If you work in government there, you can no longer use any term that has "man" or "men" in it because that's discriminatory and un-PC to women. That's also where brown bag is considered banned. You can't use things like penmanship.

Yeah, I'm familiar and it's complete and total idiocy. I don't support that sort of nonsense and I really don't know anyone who does or would personally but then again, I'm not from Seattle either. I'm sure you know that Wyoming rejected national teaching standards for science last year because they wanted to "ban" teaching of climate change? This was purely a political decision based on "Conservative Correctness" and having nothing to do with the expert opinions of most climate scientists. The chairman of the state board of education at that time was Republican Ron Micheli who ran for Governor in 2010 and part of his platform was teaching creationism in science classes.

Now if a private business decides to do this kind of madness ... OK. They can be stupid.

It might also depend on why a business does it. Is it out of fear or out of actual business pressure? What motivated those country stations not to play Dixie Chicks? Where they being boycotted and taking hits in the wallet or did they only act out of fear of the mob? With Walmart and TV Land, what was their decision?

I would say it's a scary place when people are acting out of fear, not simply bottom line, even if you try to justify by saying fear for the bottom line. When you act out of fear, it means the mob is more or less after you in the modern day equivalent of a lynching if you don't comply with what it wants ... or maybe the peasants are coming to take you to the guillotine.

All hyperbole aside (really? lynching?), this is not useful criteria for anything. If a business is proactive, you could just say that they're responding to fear and it's basically impossible to know whether or not it was a sound business decision because that would require proof of an absence of a negative impact for something that didn't happen. Furthermore, regardless of public statements made by a business or its leadership, since we can't climb into the heads of the executives, how can intent be proven either way?

Political correctness is a reality on both the left and right because the fear of reprisal by the public at the voting booth or the cash register is universal. The right is just as likely to punish a politician or a business for their words or actions as is the left.

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

u support freedom of speech so long as certain people don't complain about certain things - because you believe they're saying them out of political correctness

You are still unable to understand the concept aren't you ?

No I fully support freedom of speech for someone to complain about a word. I do not support political correctness attempts to deem a word or a symbol inflammatory .

That's not true. You've determined that certain kinds of speech are wrong - and should be curtailed

Wrong again, nowhere in my statement here did i say that certain kinds of speech are wrong . I have determined that movements to ban certain types of speech are wrong .

a reply to: Greathouse

So to sum it up for you the whole concept scares me. I know you want to bring it down to one issue so you can debate that issue I will not indulge you in your attempts to bring this thread to a single issue .

Funny :-)

And one side tends to do it out of patriotism another side tend's to do it out of shame and fear .

This is your statement. You keep saying that you called for neutrality - but you've already established that to you this is about sides. Honorable views versus not so honorable views

I'm only looking for you to explain what political correctness is - and then to give us one example that demonstrates why it's so scary

It's your thread - you wrote the OP. You tell me you won't debate me because you're afraid I'm trying to make this about a single issue

It is about a single issue. If you don't want to talk about it - why did you write the OP?

a reply to: Greathouse

No need to be afraid. Just keep your mouth shut while in public, and if you can.....just avoid public places and interact as little as possible when you have to be out in public.

a reply to: christophoros

Yes I can hear myself. And no, its not the same.

The little old lady did not deserve to be treated the way she was and the airport should have known better than to search their own chair.

You take a scene like that and ignore how obviously wrong it is to legitimize your view and it does nothing but make you less credible. No one looks at that little old lady and thinks "yeah make her stand there while you search your own chair for explosives." But everyone thinks "hey maybe you should pay a little more attention to the guys who actually look like terrorists."

Can you please explain how you develop a need to be a victim that is so desperate that you think its ok to treat an old handicapped woman the same way you would screen a potential terrorist? For Pete's sake. She was in her late 80's, weighed around 90 pounds, couldn't walk far or stand for more than a couple minutes, and was obviously no threat to anyone. My desire to see her treated with a little more respect, not to mention take her physical condition into account equates to a victim mentality? wow...

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

You are ridiculous here's my quote that you quoted .

And one side tends to do it out of patriotism another side tend's to do it out of shame and fear .

Yep I blamed both sides, in case you don't realize that is called being neutral . I know why you don't understand my position on political correctness.

You are attempting to use my problem with political correctness to justify political correctness . As is obvious of your interpretation of my reply above .

You have implied your perceived intent to that statement instead of actually reading the meaning . Lol

You might be a ##snipped## if...

... political correctness scares you.

a reply to: Greathouse

I do not support political correctness attempts to deem a word or a symbol inflammatory .

What is an attempt if not protected free speech? Define inflammatory for us

Is a flag an attempt to take an idea and make it acceptable? Is it OK to make unacceptable things acceptable, but wrong to make unacceptable things unacceptable?

I have determined that movements to ban certain types of speech are wrong .

Is the movement to be banned? Has any form of speech been banned? Let's talk about that then. Give us an example

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Yes your displaying victim mentality. You have no idea what they were Doing and feigned outrage at a perceived slight to the old lady. Maybe it's procedure? And then you decide to say 'hey those Muslims didn't get treated like this they just went through a metal detector'. Of course they didn't get treated the same they weren't in a wheelchair. They already went through a metal detector what else more do you want ? Seriously that's the epitome of victim mentality you can be outraged for the lady but why did you feel the need to bring the Muslims passengers into this when they were in a totally different situation. There was no special treatment towards them your acting like they entered the plane with out there bags being searched or something. Why do you hold contempt for them when they had nothing to do with the situation?

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

What is an attempt if not protected free speech? Define inflammatory for us

The attempt is fine the actual banning is what I take offense with . As for the definition of inflammatory look it up .

Is a flag an attempt to take an idea and make it acceptable?

I knew all along you were grinding and ax thanks for letting it slip from your hands .

Is it OK to make unacceptable things acceptable, but wrong to make unacceptable things unacceptable?

Yes it is wrong if you were doing it because of your personal perceived intent and justifying it with vilification of other people's meaning .

In case you don't realize those tactics are stifling free speech .

Is the movement to be banned? Has any form of speech been banned? Let's talk about that then. Give us an example

There you go again asking for an example so that you can bring this discussion down to a single incident instead of the whole concept .

a reply to: Greathouse

You are attempting to use my problem with political correctness to justify political correctness .

I'm trying (yes finally - you see) to do this very thing

It is free speech. Any attempt to badger, cow or bully people into not feeling free to say what they want to say is just another lame attempt at limiting free expression

If you don't like what people have to say - say something

You don't have to agree with them - and you don't have to shut up

The Civil Rights movement was a lot of crybabies whining about nothing - according to some people. The protests against the Viet Nam War were just a lot of politically correct whining (according to some). The Tea Party is just a bunch of people playing dress up - and whining (according to some)

The wheels of the bus go round and round Greathouse

You can't tell me what to say or not say any more than I can dictate to you what you should or shouldn't say. I'm still free to tell you you're wrong - and you are free to do the same

I'll say it again: for all her problems - we still live in an amazing country. You can kiss my patriotic, all American, free-speech loving hiney

:-)

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Any attempt to badger, cow or bully people into not feeling free to say what they want to say is just another lame attempt at limiting free expression

Thank you for agreeing even though I'm sure you did it unintentionally . Your quote above is exactly what political correctness does and that's why I have a problem with it .

a reply to: Greathouse

I knew all along you were grinding and ax thanks for letting it slip from your hands .

Slip? Please see my first post in this thread. I was pretty in your face about it. If you missed it - that's not my fault - I wasn't being subtle or coy

:-)

An axe to grind? That flag is one of the best subjects to rally round in this whole PC/Freedom of speech discussion that we have had in ages. Everything you want to know about how people view symbolism, political correctness and free speech is right there in front of us in one handy symbol

a reply to: Greathouse

If you want to miss the point I'm making - I can't help you with that

It's all free speech - and we are all free to enter the fray

This entire anti-PC, fraidy cat argument is transparent - and funny

It's ironic - don't you think?

:-)

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MTV put together a documentary called White People, which highlights the perceived struggle of white people in America as they explore their racial identity. The show will follow the lives of five young people as they confront their white privilege head-on. This trailer features white people talking about how hard it is to “be careful.” Why? “You say the wrong thing, and suddenly you’re a racist.”

The concept sounds ridiculous, but the documentary comes from Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Jose Antonio Vargas. He covered the 2007 Virginia Tech shootings, so he presumably knows how to package difficult subject matter. This is MTV, but there’s no better time for a discussion on race than right now.

Will these young white people learn from their experiences during filming? Vargas will force them “to internalize what they’ve done in America

Vargas will force them “to internalize what they’ve done in America

really?

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Greathouse

I knew all along you were grinding and ax thanks for letting it slip from your hands .

Slip? Please see my first post in this thread. I was pretty in your face about it. If you missed it - that's not my fault - I wasn't being subtle or coy

:-)

An axe to grind? That flag is one of the best subjects to rally round in this whole PC/Freedom of speech discussion that we have had in ages. Everything you want to know about how people view symbolism, political correctness and free speech is right there in front of us in one handy symbol

I just can't understand how you don't see the difference between the concept and individual cases?

But since you insist I will indulge you. Please explain to me how most of these issues aren't just silly ?

Blackboards in school being renamed "chalkboards" to avoid offending black people.


Some schools having a "holiday tree" every "Winter Holiday Season",


City councils banning Christmas to avoid offending Jews, Muslims, neopagans, and other non-Christian


Manholes being renamed "Personnel Access Units" to avoid offending women.


American public schools in California and other Western states banning clothing depicting the American flag in order to avoid inflaming students who identify as Mexican nationals.


Read more: tvtropes.org...


If themes like this can take hold under the guise of political correctness . It is both scary and ridiculous actions like this can take hold in the Publics psyche .


Like I said at the very beginning of this thread. If this does not stop we are not on the verge of Orwellian newspeak we are already enabling it.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Greathouse

If you want to miss the point I'm making - I can't help you with that

It's all free speech - and we are all free to enter the fray

This entire anti-PC, fraidy cat argument is transparent - and funny

It's ironic - don't you think?

:-)

I never missed your point. I repeatedly said I support all free-speech the problem arises when one form of free speech looks to stifle the opinion they don't agree with . That my friend is what the political correctness movement is all about .

a reply to: Greathouse

How many of those are true - or universal?

You should really read your own source before posting:

This title, taken from an infamous Catch Phrase of the Daily Mail, a British tabloid newspaper, can refer to one of two things. In some cases, this might be literally about political correctness taken too far, presented through a Granola Girl or Soapbox Sadie who embodies the negative aspects of the PC movement. However, in other cases, the accusations of political correctness are baseless.

There is occasionally an element of truth to these stories, in that something vaguely similar happened at least once somewhere, but it's the reaction that is truly "gone mad". More often, such stories are outright fabrications or Insane Troll Logic extrapolations of something relatively innocuous. Ironically, many current PC taboos are the unintended offspring of anti-PC hysteria, as mass media attention on these fictions leave ordinary people under the impression that such laws really exist, and should be obeyed.

All of this is especially ironic, considering that Political Correctness took on its contemporary meaning when the radical left began using it as a self-aware joke about the intrusion of Academic (the capital "A" is required) feminist and socialist argot into their everyday lives. Expect most of those invoking Mars and Venus Gender Contrast to imply, if not state outright, that they're taking a brave stand against this trope in the name of Truth in Television.

I never thought I would see the day when Freedom of Speech was in danger. Well, those days are here.

The First Amendment pretty much negates the argument that words are offensive. One day, a court case will prove that, I have no doubt.

We, as a society, are becoming a bad joke version of ourselves. Overly sensitive, selfish, and intolerant of others!

Land of the Free.... yeah.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Greathouse

How many of those are true - or universal?

You should really read your own source before posting:

This title, taken from an infamous Catch Phrase of the Daily Mail, a British tabloid newspaper, can refer to one of two things. In some cases, this might be literally about political correctness taken too far, presented through a Granola Girl or Soapbox Sadie who embodies the negative aspects of the PC movement. However, in other cases, the accusations of political correctness are baseless.

There is occasionally an element of truth to these stories, in that something vaguely similar happened at least once somewhere, but it's the reaction that is truly "gone mad". More often, such stories are outright fabrications or Insane Troll Logic extrapolations of something relatively innocuous. Ironically, many current PC taboos are the unintended offspring of anti-PC hysteria, as mass media attention on these fictions leave ordinary people under the impression that such laws really exist, and should be obeyed.

All of this is especially ironic, considering that Political Correctness took on its contemporary meaning when the radical left began using it as a self-aware joke about the intrusion of Academic (the capital "A" is required) feminist and socialist argot into their everyday lives. Expect most of those invoking Mars and Venus Gender Contrast to imply, if not state outright, that they're taking a brave stand against this trope in the name of Truth in Television.

Gee what a surprise? Despite two pages of repeatedly asking for examples now you don't want to discuss them specifically ?

Go figure ????????




BTW. Thank you again for recognizing what I was doing. Of course I would quote a position that is negative on political correctness. Didn't you read the whole OP that is my entire position negativity on political correctness . Lol