Political correctness scares me .

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Greathouse

South Carolina Republican state Rep. Jenny Horne - a victim of political correctness?

Poor dear - if only she were smart. And more afraid

Oh give me a break. Fake a$$ "passion" about the confederate flag, when there was none before.. She's just trying to score brownie points with PC liberals and/or minorities with that public melodrama.

a reply to: christophoros

And there are those intent on being victims and don't care who they have to blame.

a reply to: Greathouse

No I don't believe so. That was a choice by the musical promoters about their own business practices.

Really?

Destroying The Dixie Chicks

Ten years ago today, Natalie Maines of the Dixie Chicks stood in front of a crowd at Shepherd’s Bush Empire Theatre in England, and uttered these now infamous words:

“Just so you know, we’re on the good side with y’all. We do not want this war, this violence, and we’re ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas.”

The comments at the concert beginning a Dixie Chicks world tour sparked off possibly the biggest black balling in the history of American music. Spoken 10 days before the beginning of the Iraq War, the backlash took the Dixie Chicks from the biggest concert draw in country music to relative obscurity in country music in a matter of weeks.

Let's explore this a little bit further Greathouse

The Dixie Chicks said something that a certain group of people found offensive

Despite numerous clarifications and apologies from Natalie Maines and the Dixie Chicks, a full on boycott of their music was called for by pro-Bush, pro-war, and pro-American groups. Their single “Landslide” went from #10 on the Billboard charts, to #44 in 1 week, and the next week fell off the charts completely. Radio stations who played any Dixie Chicks songs were immediately bombarded with phone calls and emails blasting the station and threats of boycotts if they continued. Even radio DJ’s and programmers who sympathized with the Dixie Chicks were forced to stop playing them from the simple logistics nightmare the boycott created. Some DJ’s who played the Dixie Chicks were fired.

Dixie Chicks CD’s were rounded up, and in one famous incident were run over by a bulldozer. Concerts were canceled in the US as the Dixie Chicks couldn’t sell tickets, and rival concerts were set up that would take Dixie Chicks tickets in exchange. The Dixie Chicks lost their sponsor Lipton, and The Red Cross denied a million dollar endorsement from the band, fearing it would draw the ire of the boycott. The Dixie Chicks also received hundreds of death threats from the incident.

The boycott eventually lead to the virtual demise of the band. They went on hiatus in 2008, though their bounce back album in 2006 produced by Rick Rubin called Taking The Long Way went gold in its first week, debuting at #1 on the Billboard country charts despite absolutely no radio play.

So - OK - not OK?

Is this a left versus right issue? Which kind of political correctness are you afraid of? I wish you would give us one solid example

a reply to: Kromlech

Maude Flanders: "Wont someone think of the children..."

I loved the heavy breathing and fighting back the tears...great effect...

originally posted by: christophoros
a reply to: Greathouse

It literally takes no imagination to make those kinds of jokes though like literally no imagination.

I did not cite any jokes only the concept . The problem with humor is many people are so uptight and depressed they forget to laugh .

There are very few attempts at humor that do not poke fun at someone or something . My advice to you is to lose the chip on your shoulder and enjoy life a little bit .

People make fun of hillbillies, rednecks and Americans constantly. I can laugh at it so can the vast majority of others. In fact most humor hurts on some level that's why it's funny. Because if we didn't laugh at it occasionally we would all end up uptight butthurt idealist. I wouldn't even want to live in a world like that .


There is a term for people that don't like to have fun .


" Wet blanket"

a reply to: Kromlech

Oh give me a break. Fake a$$ "passion" about the confederate flag, when there was none before.. She's just trying to score brownie points with PC liberals and/or minorities with that public melodrama.

Thank you :-)

You just made a 100% pre-approved, politically correct statement

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Yeah like how you thought you were a victim because some old lady had her wheelchair cleaned and the Muslims only had to pass a metal detector do you hear yourself? You just displayed the same victim mentality

a reply to: Spiramirabilis



The problem you're having is you insist on making it a left versus right issue. I never did, this thread was intended to discuss the concept of political correctness not finger-pointing .


Both sides do it I freely admit it. And one side tends to do it out of patriotism another side tend's to do it out of shame and fear .

I don't approve of either, but you seem to only want to focus on one side to justify your position for the other side. In case you didn't know that is called making excuses .

a reply to: Greathouse

Hey I love a stereotypical joke as Much as The next guy I grew up watching George Carlin he said some pretty crazy stuff but nothing I ever deemed racist or bigoted. There's a difference between bigoted remarks and anti-PC factual remarks.

It is the conflict between free speech and control that created PC. They use the victim narrative to build sympathy then feign outrage over and over to solidify their position, regardless of how truly baseless it may be. It works! That's a big problem because freedom starts and ends in the minds of men (and women of course). If we fail to think in terms of how things will affect our freedoms this is the kind of results we'll see.

Btw, my very White father picked cotton in Arkansas as a kid to make money.
It is certainly not a race specific activity.

a reply to: Greathouse

I found your reply to JadeStar very interesting - when the facts of that story are very well known. That was some sidestepping right there - JadeStar asked a really good question

I'm not the one making this a left versus right issue - I'm trying to get you to spell out what you're actually saying. Give us just one example of something that truly scares you involving politically correctness, if you want us to understand what your thread is really about

And one side tends to do it out of patriotism another side tend's to do it out of shame and fear .

You don't understand patriotism if you feel free to make this kind of claim. You want to claim the moral high ground for the right?

Patriotism comes in many forms

You want to talk about PC intimidation? The patriots in this country have had their own kind of politically correct bullying for ages now

That was the most revealing thing you've said so far

originally posted by: christophoros
a reply to: Greathouse

Hey I love a stereotypical joke as Much as The next guy I grew up watching George Carlin he said some pretty crazy stuff but nothing I ever deemed racist or bigoted. There's a difference between bigoted remarks and anti-PC factual remarks.

Yes I mentioned your position in the OP . The problem with political correctness on both sides. Is that the actual meaning of words, phrases or symbols deemed inappropriate .

Are deemed that way not on the basis of their meaning. But on the perceived intent of their meaning by the person being offended .

I've come to learn that many people that complain about political correctness have a problem of saying insulting or extreme things, and then whine and complain when they are held accountable for what they said.

We have the right to free speech in this country, but that does not mean that there are not consequences when we say dumb things.

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Greathouse

I found your reply to JadeStar very interesting - when the facts of that story are very well known. That was some sidestepping right there - JadeStar asked a really good question

I'm not the one making this a left versus right issue - I'm trying to get you to spell out what you're actually saying. Give us just one example of something that truly scares you involving politically correctness, if you want us to understand what you're thread is really about

I also can't help but notice. That in your intent to prove that one side is at fault over the other . You completely ignored my opening statement where I said " I believe that it was up to the music promoters " .

I left it as a question. I'm sure you had to do that to justify your position that I made an actual declaration .

I'm not the one making this a left versus right issue - I'm trying to get you to spell out what you're actually saying.

If you would like to know my actual position I suggest you read the entire thread. I mentioned it in my OP, I attempted to stop the finger-pointing halfway through this thread to no avail . And I just told you in my last reply what my position is .


I will repeat it one more time for you. I don't approve of political correctness no matter which side it comes from. I approve of the First Amendment and freedom of speech. I might not agree with what somebody has to say, but I fully support anyone's right to say it .

originally posted by: Greathouse

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
a reply to: Greathouse

I found your reply to JadeStar very interesting - when the facts of that story are very well known. That was some sidestepping right there - JadeStar asked a really good question

I'm not the one making this a left versus right issue - I'm trying to get you to spell out what you're actually saying. Give us just one example of something that truly scares you involving politically correctness, if you want us to understand what you're thread is really about

I also can't help but notice. That in your intent to prove that one side is at fault over the other . You completely ignored my opening statement where I said " I believe that it was up to the music promoters " .

I left it as a question. I'm sure you had to do that to justify your position that I made an actual declaration .

I'm not the one making this a left versus right issue - I'm trying to get you to spell out what you're actually saying.

If you would like to know my actual position I suggest you read the entire thread. I mentioned it in my OP, I attempted to stop the finger-pointing halfway through this thread to no avail . And I just told you in my last reply what my position is .


I will repeat it one more time for you. I don't approve of political correctness no matter which side it comes from. I approve of the First Amendment and freedom of speech. I might not agree with what somebody has to say, but I fully support anyone's right to say it .

30th

31st. This time on mobile the edit button is changing to a reply button .

a reply to: Greathouse

I also can't help but notice. That in your intent to prove that one side is at fault over the other . You completely ignored my opening statement where I said " I believe that it was up to the music promoters " .

Read what I'm asking you - I can't help notice that you keep avoiding my question

What really scares you? One good example

I gave you an example of something that happened to the Dixie Chicks. That was a right leaning reaction to a left leaning position. It's an honest example. I'm not trying to make a point that everybody does it - that's an absolute no-brainer

As in - very easily understood by everyone - and not worth arguing over. It's you that wants this to look like it's a left/right thing

I'm trying to understand what is so scary to you about political correctness. I wish first you would define what PC is - and then give us a few examples

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

gave you an example of something that happened to the Dixie Chicks.

I read your reply and answer your question. I said I don't approve when it happens from either side what part of that statement do you not understand?

I'm trying to understand what is so scary to you about political correctness. I wish first you would define what it is - and then give us a few examples

What's so scary about political correctness is the stifling free speech. Based upon a group of people implying intent to the meaning of a word, phrase or symbol . Furthermore what scares me about the tatics of political correctness from either side . Is this shaming and appeal to righteousness involved in the tactics to get a word deemed politically incorrect.

The key thing that offends me is that it is based on perceived intentions of the statement not what a person could actually mean but what the offendee finds offensive with his preconceived idea.


So to sum it up for you the whole concept scares me. I know you want to bring it down to one issue so you can debate that issue I will not indulge you in your attempts to bring this thread to a single issue .

a reply to: Greathouse

I will repeat it one more time for you. I don't approve of political correctness no matter which side it comes from. I approve of the First Amendment and freedom of speech.

You support freedom of speech so long as certain people don't complain about certain things - because you believe they're saying them out of political correctness

I might not agree with what somebody has to say, but I fully support anyone's right to say it .

That's not true. You've determined that certain kinds of speech are wrong - and should be curtailed

:-)