Could 'leaked UFO photos taken from US submarine in 1971' prove existence of aliens?

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A little bit more information came out a couple of days ago when the researcher ,Alex Mistretta, appeared on Coast to Coast AM on July 8th. . It was a very short segment starting around 8-9 mins in from the start of the broadcast.


The photographer is not known and Alex is hoping to trace the photographer if possible. If not he is hoping that the publicity generated across the globe will prompt members of the crew to come forward.

Alex contacted Admiral Dean Reynolds who confirmed he was on the sub at that time.But his only comment on what went on was “All I saw was ice!” . He has agreed to take a look at the photos as well. No response at the time of broadcast although it had only been a day or so since receiving the pictures.

John Greenwald, owner of blackvault.com , is also going to try FOIA searches as well to see if further information can be obtained on this case.

The possibility that this was all a hoax was considered. It is also possible that these pictures are genuine but come from another sub. Apparently one was in the area a month earlier.

Jaime Maussan has prematurely booked the 95,500 seater Estadio Azteca stadium in anticipation of rumours further photographs being made available

For "C2C AM insiders" the full show is available from this link here.

a reply to: TrueVision

Looks like they possibly used the inflatable for torpedo target practice? Viewpoint from a ship watching a submarine practice drill?

The triangle shaped image could possibly be an anchor being tossed out to hold it down?

Sterling work my friend.

The picture is definitely getting clearer.

I think we are looking at a secret military test.

Although I guess it's remotely possible that we were blasting a cigar shaped alien spacecraft out of the sea.

a reply to: TrueVision

imo: 1 and 2 are a sequence, and 4 and 5 are a sequence - 1,2,4 and 5 might be part of the same sequence, but 3 doesn't seem to match - looking at the least cropped version of the images the sea conditions look very different from the other pictures - there's a lot more whitewater in picture 3

the shape of the object looks more pointed at the ends too

looking at the sea and light conditions of all the pictures (triangles included) i think there are shots from at least three different sequences, shot at different times

I’m certainly no expert, so take this for what it’s worth. By my estimate that means I should be have to pay you to read this. But, life being unfair and all, don’t hold your breath.

I realize it was 1971 and can’t expect the picture quality/resolution to be great. But even taking that into account, the objects in those pictures still don’t strike me as craft capable of interstellar travel. We were designing flying machines much more exotic looking than that long before 1971. So IMO, whatever we’re looking at in those shots is man-made.

To be honest, my first impression was that these were probably frames from a bad B-Movie trailer. The flying wing thing looked like a giant, mutant moth on meth to me. The other thing looked like maybe a giant , really angry flying phallus. Kinda like a Godzilla vs King Kong theme. I can even picture the promo for the movie appearing on a sign outside the movie theater; it would be something like:

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Titanic Forces Clash in a Deadly Duel to the End!

MegaloMoth vs El Pene Volando Grande

Is a Nuclear Armageddon the Only Solution?!
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Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t see any convincing evidence here. The pics look too plain to me. It’s not like right in your face, unquestionable evidence that can’t be explained any other way than an ET event. Like I said, though, I’m no expert and could easily be completely wrong.

Now, if these pics are all from the same incident, then it’s just strange. They don’t appear to be. In any case, if the pics are genuine, then I think it’s more likely a military exercise of some sort. So what are we left with? If it’s not a UFO event, and it’s not a military exercise, then what’s left? A Hoax?

May the Force be with you...

originally posted by: WeAre0ne

originally posted by: Kapusta

It really does look like the "target practice blimps" mentioned by a previous poster. If you look at them from the top down, as if they were screen grabs from a movie, it looks like these pictures were taken as the blimp was shot down.

Those "red lights" are tiny fires that were started after the blimp got shot. I am guessing the bullets that hit the blimp were hot enough to catch the blimp's material on fire. As the blimp deflates and falls down towards the water, you have a bunch of smoke surrounding it from the fires, and it appears like clouds, but its just smoke. Then it falls down and hits the water, and looks like a UFO coming out of the water, when its just a blimp crashing down into the water.

Please point out where this thing "deflates" please.

originally posted by: wolfenz

Was this flying around ?? in 1971 it look close and similar

Possibly.... and worth noting that the "common shape" is a great way to hide stuff...but not sure such a plane would be caught in such a maneuver that low to the deck and if it did- it would surely be blurred thorough a periscope due to speed.

Main question is : Anybody got any guesses on what kind of Surface to Air Capability a circa 1970's sub might have given that the "targets" were aerial?

Wikipedia offers up the currently under development "IDAS" as the "first missile which gives submarines the capability to engage air threats whilst submerged" but cant see much about surface armaments.

Of course the Sub could just be observing another craft shoot the target down but it's worth exploring.

originally posted by: Artbellfan
a reply to: mirageman

Neat even if it is fake. Jimmy church sucks

Yeh, that guy really knows how to pad out a radio show talking about nothing for around two thirds of it.

But for the record here is Alex Mistretta commenting on Jimmy Church's website.

The full transcription is linked below.

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The story behind the photographs was that an American Submarine, the USS Trepang USN 674, under the command of Admiral Dean Reynolds Sackett, came upon this unidentified object in the Arctic and took a series of photographs. The source of the photographs claimed that these were taken in March of 1971, in the Atlantic Ocean, somewhere between Iceland and Jan Mayan island. The USS Trepang was in the area on a routine test run, with various standard scientific goals. The story goes that the object was initially spotted through the periscope by a John Klika, which resulted in that spectacular series of photographs....


..........which leaves us with several options. One, the story is true, and due to his security oath, Admiral Dean R Sackett is unable to talk. Which, by the way, I respect 100%. Two, the pictures are real, but the story is fabricated. This means that the photographs may have been taken by another sub at another time. My initial reaction was that the photographs represented a test of some kind, and these were official photographs of that test. This could include very earthly technology, as well as more unusual technologies. The last option, is that this a hoax, a very real possibility.

This investigation is in many ways in its infancy, the provenance of the photographs still need to be established, and they need to be further analyzed. All three of the scenarios I established above need to be equally considered. I have also obtained the list of the crew that was on board the Trepang, another avenue to be explored. Real or a hoax, this needs to be solved


Source and Full interview : jimmychurch.com

It seems the photos were provided by an "anonymous source" to French magazine 'Top Secret'. Alex Mistretta is trying to get to the truth about their origin as much as we are. The 'eye-catching headlines' come from the popular media but hopefully means someone, somewhere will recognise them or at least know a bit more about their origin.

Interesting pics

a reply to: St Udio

i agree that being taken from a periscope is odd, has anyone got any data on what type of camera from that era etc would be used for such photos

a reply to: pigsy2400

Periscope cameras have been around for 70+ years, they are as standard as wheels on a car. ;-)

If there are recent fakes then whoever made them, has done their work very well in that, they have "aged" the photos in keeping with how many photos have done so that were taken back then in particular those taken with polaroids. I think it is probably that, the triangle photos and and the cigar photos were taken by different cameras or used different films stocks. However, the location, if accurate is important. That part of the Northern seas has had a string of underwater detection devices known as "SOSUS" strung across it pretty much, since 1960. It was designed so that no Russian submarines could slip in past the Northern approaches and the presence of a Russian sub with regards to the Shag Harbour incident was almost certainly originally detected inward bound, by the self same defence grid.

That seems to me to be the part that people are missing and if they are fakes then whoever faked them knows that claiming they were taken in that particular area carries a certain gravitas. That is to say, part of the story is that, the Northern defence belt was picking up regular unknown activity and subs were despatched to try and find out exactly who and what it was. That's why I suspect these photos are being taken so seriously in certain parts as there is a historically logical and accurate narrative that they could well have been taken from and American sub.

Furthermore, there have been tales emanating from people claiming to have direct knowledge that SOSUS has picked up these unknown objects on a good few occasions, to that extent it's one area where one might expect some further evidence to appear. To that extent, if these are fake, then I would strongly suspect an "in house job". That is, the whole fake was concocted by ex service personnel with a working knowledge of contemporaneous military actions in the Northern Seas.

The truth is, even if the photos are real then, they could have been taken almost anywhere at sea on Earth. To my mind that means that, the whole SOSUS connection is key to their claim of authenticity.

As for those who claim the cigar shaped object is blimp fine, now show us all a clear photo of a large blimp with no stabilisation fins whatsoever and no, showing photos of one end of a blimp and claiming it's the same does not count.
Personally, there's something that says fake about them to me, though that's only a gut feeling however, if they are fakes, I will be interested to see the motivation behind them and why they chose to fake them in such a way as to be so ambivalent.

a reply to: FireMoon

As for those who claim the cigar shaped object is blimp fine, now show us all a clear photo of a large blimp with no stabilisation fins whatsoever and no, showing photos of one end of a blimp and claiming it's the same does not count.
Personally, there's something that says fake about them to me, though that's only a gut feeling however, if they are fakes, I will be interested to see the motivation behind them and why they chose to fake them in such a way as to be so ambivalent.

my guess from looking at the pics is that the 'blimp' ones are genuine pics of a military exercise (probably from a much earlier date than stated) and the triangles are fakes

a reply to: mirageman

Jaime Maussan has prematurely booked the 95,500 seater Estadio Azteca stadium in anticipation of rumours further photographs being made available

Well, that's not gonna help the credibility of this now, is it.

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: mirageman

Jaime Maussan has prematurely booked the 95,500 seater Estadio Azteca stadium in anticipation of rumours further photographs being made available

Well, that's not gonna help the credibility of this now, is it.

No it isn't... and you have to wonder how much a multi media, multi platform "push" on Triangle UFO's would cost somebody who would benefit from furthering the myth.

The historical narrative, fact verification and generally high level of shoopery are impressive but if your ultimate goal was to sell out stadiums, run secret space conferences, generate hits or obfuscate your triangular shaped aircraft projects; the efforts would be proportionate to the required outcome.

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: mirageman

Jaime Maussan has prematurely booked the 95,500 seater Estadio Azteca stadium in anticipation of rumours further photographs being made available

Well, that's not gonna help the credibility of this now, is it.

He can use ancient boy mummy's as seat fills if he doesn't sell out the stadium.

a reply to: zazzafrazz

I would have thought he would be lying low after all that..

Not when there's Peso's to be made I Guess!

sScroll down for "Hi Res" images ( not scans)

www.theblackvault.com...

Apparently the researcher was sent them via email.

Given the method, the sudden appearance of "hi res", the website link and the lack of consistency in the pics there's something fishy IMO.

BTW has anyone seen the cigar UFO pic ( that looks like it's drawn) before?
Could of swore I've seen that in some UFO book pre -internet.

a reply to: Jukiodone

Well here is a fairly comprehensive array of UFO photos thru the years.

www.ufocasebook.com...

Among the Lenticular clouds, various hubcaps and lampshades flying thru the air, there may be one or two that are truly Unidentified.

A few Cigar shaped ones turn up too, perhaps dirigibles.

I do remember reading a "UFO" novel years ago, describing eyewitness reports of people on the deck of a cruise ship, observing a large oblong cigar shaped "Ship" larger than the cruise ship, gliding by above the sea level, past the cruise ship, which had portholes along the side with figures inside waving at the tourists.....so who knows..

a reply to: gort51

Not seeing it there...might be making it up.

Interesting history of the USS Trepang

In 1978 the FBI arrested 2 men who planned to steal the Sub, set out to sea, kill the crew and sell to parties unknown (LOL WTF)

In 1996 the Trepang was operating off the coast of Long Island when TWA flight 800 exploded over Long Island

In 1998 the Trepang received a "Joint Meritous Unit Award" for reasons unknown however the first recipients of the JMUA was the "Electronic Warfare During Close Air Support Joint Test Force" in 82.

Interesting history and conspiratorially compelling given one of the theories regarding TWA800 was based around EM interference and High Intensity Radiated Fields.

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: mirageman

Jaime Maussan has prematurely booked the 95,500 seater Estadio Azteca stadium in anticipation of rumours further photographs being made available

Well, that's not gonna help the credibility of this now, is it.

Oh come on mate!! Did you have a "sense of humour" bypass operation or something?