Is Vlad starting to cave in ? Is this a sign of Ukrainian victory ?

Vladimir Putin is cutting off electricity to the separatist provinces in the Ukraine . This could be a sign that he is caving to Western pressure and abandoning his hopes for New Russia.

Regardless of his intentions I see it as a move on his part to join the world again in a civilized manner. Although the truth will probably never be heard from him hopefully he will quit lying to us at least . This could be one of the most significant moves towards a peaceful resolution of the conflict in the Ukraine .

Kiev said Tuesday that Russia had cut off electricity to Ukraine's rebel-run regions in what appears to be another sign that Moscow is losing interest in plans to splinter its neighbour.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has gone through an extended spell without peppering his speeches with mentions of a "New Russia" (Novorossiya) made up of Ukrainian lands that were once under tsarist control.

source

a reply to: Greathouse

Vladimir Putin is cutting off electricity to the separatist provinces in the Ukraine .

Hell of a way to treat the people you were supposedly there unofficially to protect.

I also wonder how his "cough"...volunteers..."cough" feel about not having electricity, although I suspect they have generators to keep them with some juice.

Let's hope he has finally figured out that his country is hurting because of his little foray into Ukraine...I guess time will tell.

a reply to: Greathouse Maybe someone finally had the nerve to tell him that was the excuse Nazi Germany was giving to begin with...protecting ethnic Germans in other countries. I would hate to be the guy that had to tell him.

a reply to: Greathouse

Kiev said...

Kiev says a lot of things.

Can the claims in the article be proven true?

Not an attack on you op but I have a hard time believing anything from Kiev given their track record in regards to false claims about Russia.

If this true it surely leaves me scratching my head.

a reply to: real_one

Will wait-and-see for acknowledgment this is only about an hour old. But personally I have a harder time believing anything from Russia as opposed to the Ukraine .

How exactly do you cut off electricity from an area that has its own power plants...and the mines to provide the feed stock?

Yup, sounds legit.

a reply to: Greathouse

They're all liars. I don't trust any of them.

IMO there is a lesser of two evils among them but I am sure we would disagree on that one.

In the meanwhile I am going to try and do some digging to see if this is true, or at the very least find where Kiev is getting this alleged information from.

Ty for bringing this info to my attention.

I would like to know if this is factual or just soup du jour propaganda.

a reply to: peck420

Did you bother to read the link I think not because it was explained .

a reply to: real_one

Regardless until proven wrong I will maintain hope. Because it could mean an end to people dying from the fighting there .


A thread like this should point out the true hypocrites ( not you ). By the positions they take and the hate they show.


I have made it abundantly clear I am not enamored by Vladimir Putin's involvement in the Ukraine . But I could set all that aside if something like that was true and it was a movement towards peace .

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Without any proof I would also speculate that the fighting forces still have power. If this is in fact true the main people suffering would be the civilians .

This story is over 11 hours old and a part of an agreement between Russia and Ukraine because nobody was paying the bill. That is the official reason anyway. And the Russian have not denied it something they would normally do right away.

So what do we have going on here? Supplies from Russia stopping, power being cut, the rebels withdrawing from certain areas and a sudden lack of anti Ukraine stories from Russia's media arm with the focus on the Russia Ukraine gas deal talks instead.

What does it mean? Well talks are going on right now in Belarus so these could be messages from the Kremlin they willing to cut the rebels loose for the right deal. Or it could Russia trying cause a spit between Russia and the rebels so that Russia can wash it hands and walk away blaming the rebels for being anti Russian and saving face. Or this could simply be a matter of money.

It is no secret that things in Ukraine have gone very bad for the Russians. They are running out of troops to send, the economy is in the tank, the other FSR states are all trying to move either to the West or China, Russia's credit is at the junk level, NATO/EU is united and on the verge of rearming something Russia can not afford to keep up with, and with the Chinese economy going into a slump oil demand and prices look to drop even more a nightmare for Russia. So Russia needs out of Ukraine desperately and it needs to do it in a face saving way without looking like it caved to the West.

So perhaps cutting the rebels off so they get to a point where they say or do something the Russia can claim as an insult would give the Russian an excuse to walk away.

originally posted by: Greathouse
Did you bother to read the link I think not because it was explained .

Did you put any actual thought into this topic? I think not!

Nor did you bother to fact check.

The mines weren't closed due to power shortages. The mines were closed to Ukraine, by the rebels, to limit Ukraine's power production...back in November of last year.

The Donetsk region is extremely well stoked in processed coal, and is home to enough coal power generation to satisfy their needs.

What is going on between Ukraine and Russia is a tragedy for both countries. If things can be resolved, then good for both of them.

a reply to: peck420

I remember who you are now. You' incessantly make unsourced comments and call them facts. I've been here with you before you will go on endlessly repeating and slightly changing your statements but will not supply any sources to your comments. Actually if you would have bothered to read my source you would see that a lot of the statements you made were in it .



Sooooo

Potato!

Why is it ANY KIND of a victory?
He made a mistake ,now he's coming back to his senses NOBODY won a thing here.
Russia lost people to an UNWISE choice. Further tragedy WAS avoided THAT is the only victory.
WAR is becoming obsolete.

originally posted by: MrSpad
This story is over 11 hours old and a part of an agreement between Russia and Ukraine because nobody was paying the bill. That is the official reason anyway. And the Russian have not denied it something they would normally do right away.

So what do we have going on here? Supplies from Russia stopping, power being cut, the rebels withdrawing from certain areas and a sudden lack of anti Ukraine stories from Russia's media arm with the focus on the Russia Ukraine gas deal talks instead.

What does it mean? Well talks are going on right now in Belarus so these could be messages from the Kremlin they willing to cut the rebels loose for the right deal. Or it could Russia trying cause a spit between Russia and the rebels so that Russia can wash it hands and walk away blaming the rebels for being anti Russian and saving face. Or this could simply be a matter of money.

It is no secret that things in Ukraine have gone very bad for the Russians. They are running out of troops to send, the economy is in the tank, the other FSR states are all trying to move either to the West or China, Russia's credit is at the junk level, NATO/EU is united and on the verge of rearming something Russia can not afford to keep up with, and with the Chinese economy going into a slump oil demand and prices look to drop even more a nightmare for Russia. So Russia needs out of Ukraine desperately and it needs to do it in a face saving way without looking like it caved to the West.

So perhaps cutting the rebels off so they get to a point where they say or do something the Russia can claim as an insult would give the Russian an excuse to walk away.

Correct me if I'm wrong but this was pretty much the plan the sanctions and censorship from the world economy was wasn't it ?

a reply to: MrSpad

To quote an old film...
" Son Russians don't take a dump without a plan"

The question could be...why the sudden change of direction by papa vlad?

originally posted by: Greathouse
I remember who you are now. You' incessantly make unsourced comments and call them facts. I've been here with you before you will go on endlessly repeating and slightly changing your statements but will not supply any sources to your comments. Actually if you would have bothered to read my source you would see that a lot of the statements you made were in it .

Sooooo

Potato!

You are a stellar example of the affects of idiocracy.

Ukraine faces coal shortage with rebels controlling mines

Coal miners swell rebel ranks in east Ukraine as pits close.

Vuhlehirska power station

If the rebels want power, they will have power. They have the mines, the miners, and the power stations. Russia and Ukraine could cut every single transmission line going to the region and it would mean squat all to the very two regions specified in your 'source'...Donetsk and Lugansk...as the lines coming from there, were to export electricity to the rest of Ukraine, not to import electricity.

But, you already knew all of that...

a reply to: peck420

So your examples are two sources from 2014 and a link to a power station that has a damage supply line and 4 seven supply units destroyed ?

rebels damage gas pipeline to powerstation


Good job of staying up-to-date .


But the biggest question I have on your position. Is your apparent stance that you hope it's not true and can prove it?

I can only assume you don't want peace you would rather see war?

originally posted by: Greathouse

originally posted by: MrSpad
This story is over 11 hours old and a part of an agreement between Russia and Ukraine because nobody was paying the bill. That is the official reason anyway. And the Russian have not denied it something they would normally do right away.

So what do we have going on here? Supplies from Russia stopping, power being cut, the rebels withdrawing from certain areas and a sudden lack of anti Ukraine stories from Russia's media arm with the focus on the Russia Ukraine gas deal talks instead.

What does it mean? Well talks are going on right now in Belarus so these could be messages from the Kremlin they willing to cut the rebels loose for the right deal. Or it could Russia trying cause a spit between Russia and the rebels so that Russia can wash it hands and walk away blaming the rebels for being anti Russian and saving face. Or this could simply be a matter of money.

It is no secret that things in Ukraine have gone very bad for the Russians. They are running out of troops to send, the economy is in the tank, the other FSR states are all trying to move either to the West or China, Russia's credit is at the junk level, NATO/EU is united and on the verge of rearming something Russia can not afford to keep up with, and with the Chinese economy going into a slump oil demand and prices look to drop even more a nightmare for Russia. So Russia needs out of Ukraine desperately and it needs to do it in a face saving way without looking like it caved to the West.

So perhaps cutting the rebels off so they get to a point where they say or do something the Russia can claim as an insult would give the Russian an excuse to walk away.

Correct me if I'm wrong but this was pretty much the plan the sanctions and censorship from the world economy was wasn't it ?

Overall yes. However, it was suppose to be slow squeeze on the Russians, just enough to get them to how bad things could get down the road but, not so bad as it looked like Russia was caving to sanctions. The problem ended being two fold, nobody realized how weak the Russian economy was and the oil prices collapsed. The sent Russia into disaster. That was not suppose to happen so early, it was suppose to be a slow burn to let them get out without saying the caved to sanctions. When it happened so fast the Russian's getting out now would look like it was solely do to sanctions and the would mean losing to the West. So yes that was the intent, it was just not suppose to do as much damage as it did so fast.