Gun Violence does not matter.

a reply to: 3danimator2014

Quite frankly, more schoolkids can be blown to bits by fellow students, more cinemas can be shot and I still won't focus on gun control. Do you know why? Because those victims are just as much victims as any other victim is of an attack. As I stated in my post total murder and non-negligent manslaughter deaths hit 14612 in the year of 2011, that's 40 a day. Now Medical Malpractice deaths 195,000, roughly 534 per day. If gun violence increased and instead of causing 0.57% of deaths daily they caused 2% (nearly quadrupling the deaths) I still would not care. Why? Because 40 quadrupled is 160, still less than medical malpractice deaths. So what? Am I a sociopath for noticing that gun deaths are insignificant? No, If anything I care more about human life than you do. Because if given the chance I would save 195,000 over the 14,612. The method of death doesn't matter, the persons life does.

a reply to: 3danimator2014

We don't, we invest funds into changing the way doctors operate on patients, thus saving way more lives than you ever could trying to control guns.

a reply to: 3danimator2014

I think I have discovered the reason you won't listen to anyone here

It would be this right here

"Honestly, i cant be bothered to argue with you gun nuts. But next week when there is another mass shooting, ill be in that thread saying the same thing. And the week after and the week after"

Yes there will be another mass shooting next week, and if there isn't then from my post you know 40 will die every day due to murder and non-negligent manslaughter.

What you can't seem to grasp is that it doesn't matter.

If you told me there was a mass shooting where 20 people died, I won't be shocked, that's not that many people. Then you tell me you are concerned about human life because you talk about a shooting and support gun control?

You are talking and broadcasting a message about how terrible gun laws are because of a shooting that caused 20 deaths while 500 people die of medical malpractice, your primary motivation "The preservation of human life" what a joke.

originally posted by: Boscowashisnamo
a reply to: TheNobleCasserole

Gun violence matters a great deal to those with an agenda or Politicos who use their status to sway those on the fence, or simply people to lazy to research the topic. I have delved into research on both sides of the discussion, and come away with a basic factoid: gun sales have risen, ownership appears to be increasing, and the crime rate has been in decline since the early 90's.

http:/www.theacru.org/harvard_study_gun_control_is_counterproductive/

Yep, That way you never hear about the shootings in Chicago.

Just this weekend:
82 shot 14 dead
www.cbsnews.com...

Year to date:

1358 Shot 203 Dead

heyjackass.com...

2014:

2619 Shot 389 dead

Record year 2014, best sense 1965 ONLY 2328 shot.

www.huffingtonpost.com...


Mass shooting in US 1982 to 2012: 62 shooting: about 900 shot, not all dead. (could not find actually numbers.) The Stanford study has them all, but you have to be granted access to actually see the raw data. (umm nothing to hide here, move along.)


www.motherjones.com...
library.stanford.edu...



So 6305 shot in 3 years, 1016 dead.


Of choose you remember that Chicago has one of the tightest gun control laws in the country right?

But the Pols NEVER talk about this city.

I agree with you, in the bigger picture gun violence doesn't matter. The only reason MSM is pushing gun violence and now Dixie battle flag is to distract the general public. The power that be don't want the population to notice how bad banks and multinational corporations are ruining this country.

a reply to: dismanrc

This has got to be the most well reasoned argument/thread I've seen in some time.

We could save a couple folks by bolting down all our vending machines.

We could save a couple dozen by banning champagne, or at least reclassify it as a indiscriminate weapon of war akin to a land mine. Those corks are killers, literally.

We could save 150 people, every year by fencing off every coconut tree, or mandating coconut nets in public places.

We'll just have you take an arborist safety course, pay a 250 dollar registration fee, background and psych, to make sure you're not gonna shake the tree, if you want coconut trees.


I've long been of the opinion that willful ignorance and/or fear are all that keep this going.

Those of us that understand, or were raised around people who had taken up weapons in self defense, or were taught proper respect instead of fear, know that disarming the public is never in your interest.



Some Colorful Experienced Opinion, More To The OP:

I've had, 3 times, guns pointed at me, no never the police. I spent 3 days in hospital with a botched chest tube in an unrelated pneumothorax. Between the two, for me personally, just about anything would be more dignified than dying of malpractice in a hospital bed.

a reply to: ISawItFirst

We use to teach gun safety in school.
time.com...

We use to ride around in the back of pickup trucks, ride bike without dressing up like the Michelin Man and, heaven forbid, actually eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches at SCHOOL. Most of us survived and the ones that didn't we always said it was cleaning out the gene pool. Now those that use to get cleaned out become politicians because they where wrapped in bubble-wrap and protected from the evil world until they grew up.

Been around guns my whole life. Never once saw one get up, load itself, walk out side and shoot itself.

As far as "crazy" people getting one and using it... Well I guess we need to lock up all the hardware stores, sports stores, car lots and MANY other thing where they could get things that could hit, burn, blowup, poison, knife or drive over other people with.

a reply to: dismanrc

Many many of the older schools around have ranges in their basement. Converted for storage mostly. Boy scouts used then.

originally posted by: TheNobleCasserole
I'd like you to just open your mind to a few things that I will say, gun issues in america are talked about a lot, but that doesn't mean they are important. In america media is used to publicize terror and eye-catching news, not so much the important stuff,lets say you saw a headline that said "27 dead, 18 children" you undoubtedly thought that was horrible. On the other hand a crazy man with a gun could have ran into a cafeteria and before he could shoot he was shot by someone else. If no one else had a gun then there would be a cafeteria full of dead people. This is a fictitious situation, but it illustrates a simple point; Guns stop violence, just as they cause it. The reason you don't see this is simple "Entire cafeteria is killed" is a better headline and certainly more eye-catching than "Man with gun shoots man with gun", the news isn't around to inform you they are here to make money and the shocking titles win out every time. It is like clickbait, make it sound interesting or important and people will be deceived into thinking it is. You won't see articles, news reports or newspapers telling people of how many people were saved because of guns, only the opposite.

If your primary reason for banning guns is because they cause death then you are lying to yourself, or you haven't done the research. In america, the gun is one of the smallest offenders when it comes to death toll. Do you care about guns? or do you care about lives? If you care for the lives then you wouldn't care about gun laws, because the death toll is insignificant(calculations below). Anyone who tries to ban guns and then says their primary motivation for supporting anti gun laws is saving lives is a liar, if saving lives is your primary motivation then you would realize that guns cause a small amount of deaths and that you should look at larger killers. Need an example? Preventable medical malpractice kills over 500 per day, if every shooting in the US had a death toll of 50 then you'd need 10 mass shootings a day to even get close.

Calculations and sources:

First of all the US has about 318,892,103 (July 2014 est.) living in it according to CIA.gov, the death rate per 1000 people is 8.15(also CIA.gov). Now for the math,

318,892,103 divided by 1000 equals 318892,

318892 X 8.15 equals = 2614914.4

That's 2614914.4 deaths annually

Divide it by 365 and you get 7164

This means that every day 7164 people die in the US. This is an estimation, but it is completely based on statistics. Now the shooting you saw on TV had 27 deaths, this is hardly even a footnote for the day, not even noticeable. So why is it that we talk about it so much? The sandy hook shooting actually had the president making speeches about gun laws, when the death count was minuscule.

Now if I go onto FBI.gov and look at the crime statistics there is a section called "Murder and non-negligent manslaughter" this includes all gun deaths and more. The total for the year of 2011 was 14,612, 14,612 divided by 365 is 40.

So all Murder and non-negligent manslaughter crimes cause 40 deaths per day, now 7000 divided by 40 = 175.

Do you understand what that means? Murder and non-negligent manslaughter crimes make up 1/175th of total deaths per day. That is 1 over 175, if you do the calculation of 1 over 175 you get 0.5714%.

That is correct, all Murder and non-negligent manslaughter crimes make up 0.5714% of the daily death toll.

(Sorry for poor grammar and sorry if I came across rudely)

www.cia.gov...

www.fbi.gov...

So, in 2014 there were 32,251 gun-related deaths in america. Does this not worry you, that this number has just about tripled since 2011? Additionally, in 2014, there were 33,500 automobile related deaths. The 2015 projections has gun-related deaths surpassing automobile related deaths--is this not worrisome to you that more people in america die by the gun than they do by the automobile? Furthermore, by applying your logic, would you also say that since cars only amount for an "insignificant" number of deaths per year, it's not worth while to spend money improving car safety? We might as well just keep things the way they are, according to you. Your argument can be viewed both ways, and I completely disagree with your sentiment. Finally, those who argue that gun deaths don't matter since they are mainly concentrated in lower-income black and hispanic neighborhoods are extremely selfish, ignorant, and racist. All lives matter, and if we can make changes to eliminate this rapidly increasing death toll, it's worth while to do.

originally posted by: kayej1188

So, in 2014 there were 32,251 gun-related deaths in america. Does this not worry you, that this number has just about tripled since 2011?

Check the numbers again. His data was for homicides only and includes all causes of homicide, not just firearms. Yours includes both homicides and suicides, and suicides make up about 20k of the yearly total.

The overall number of 'gun-related' deaths has actually been steady for several years, with a slight, consistent uptick in suicides, and a slight, consistent decline in homicides. On that latter point, the truth is that firearm-related homicides are sharply lower than they were in the early 90s and overall homicides and the homicide rate are as low as they've been in 40-50 years.

vehicle deaths in U.S. a year 32,719 2013
ALL guns 8,454 US
gun deaths

tell me witch should worry you more.
witch has a higher chance of killing you?

so Why do they all ways worry about
the one with the less chance of killing you?

like Ebola! how many in US died?
and they went mad over it.

a reply to: radarloveguy

I am with u on if there were no guns there would be no violence. but right now in America now is a time it's a necessity. Especially since u never know what is going to happen next...