Why do people hate Christians?

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
God has challenged you to prove he exists. I can't prove to you what must be proved by you.

awfully convenient. but if something exists, anyone with sufficient knowledge (in this case you'd have sufficient knowledge) would be able to prove it to me.

Talk to God about this. It's his plan. I have taken the time to prove that the Bible is accurate and can find no incorrect prophecies. I have also proved to myself using Gods instruction book that God is real. He says "SEEK ME AND YOU WILL FIND ME. So my challenge to you is for you to seek God according to the instruction of His book. You can't find God because you are too busy seeking why He isn't. Seek why he is.

there are two creation stories, both conflict with science.

Tell me about the two creation stories and how they conflict with science.

Maddness,

I am interested in reading the two creation stories. Can you shed.......let there be light.

Why?
Mainly it's the acoustic guitar and folks songs praising Jesus.
I lived in a house full of Born Agains who had regular sessions of that stuff.
And now, I just can't handle it anymore. My stomach churns at the memory.
Need to listen to Scandinavian Death Metal as an antidote.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Maddness,

I am interested in reading the two creation stories. Can you shed.......let there be light.

the order of events is mixed up. the two stories don't work together, they propose two different ways in which everything began, i'm being redundant here for a reason.

and then there's the fact that they're both incorrect accounts of how everything came to be

It's easy to combine the timelines of science and religion.Not that I claim it as reality,but why can't God have created the world around 7000 years ago,complete with a past going back billions of years.Time works like that if you are God,maybe...?

Originally posted by Choppsmcfame
It's easy to combine the timelines of science and religion.Not that I claim it as reality,but why can't God have created the world around 7000 years ago,complete with a past going back billions of years.Time works like that if you are God,maybe...?

Well, firstly,I don't know of very many Christians that actually take the whole "earth is only 7000 years old" bit very seriously. So,I really don't know where you are going with this.

Just a little out of the box thinking,hope I did not scare you Some Christians do still believe it.Its mostly just to show people not to jump the gun making conclusions saying the two can't work together.

Originally posted by SpeakerofTruth

Originally posted by Choppsmcfame
It's easy to combine the timelines of science and religion.Not that I claim it as reality,but why can't God have created the world around 7000 years ago,complete with a past going back billions of years.Time works like that if you are God,maybe...?

Well, firstly,I don't know of very many Christians that actually take the whole "earth is only 7000 years old" bit very seriously. So,I really don't know where you are going with this.

Yea, most of us don't believe that 7000 year nonsense. It's more like 6000 plus years.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Maddness,

I am interested in reading the two creation stories. Can you shed.......let there be light.

the order of events is mixed up. the two stories don't work together, they propose two different ways in which everything began, i'm being redundant here for a reason.

and then there's the fact that they're both incorrect accounts of how everything came to be

Hit me with chapter and verse if you can.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix

Yea, most of us don't believe that 7000 year nonsense. It's more like 6000 plus years.

There is no way that I believe the earth is only 6000 years old. You've got to be joking me. That is worse than your continuous statement that all religions other than Christianity ca,me from Babylon!! Sun,really, where do you come up with some of these notions?

[edit on 28-3-2007 by SpeakerofTruth]

Eyes to See

The tree is known for the fruit it bears
Christianity's history up to this present day is replete with death and dishonor and perversion and perfidy.
Christians engage in war and land grabbing, genocide and distain any who do not follow theircorruption.
Hate the sin, but love the sinner.
The church's have used peoples good intentions for evil deeds.
Whats to like

I thought I'd respond to this one, seeing as it bears my name

You nailed it with the first sentence: "The tree is known for the fruit it bears." If someone is partaking in land-grabbing, genocide, disdain, etc., they're not very "Christian", are they? Sure, they can say they are, but again, a tree is known by its fruit. For instance, I'm a guitar player. I could go around telling everyone I'm a violinist, but my recordings, performances, etc. would clearly show I'm a guitarist, despite what I claim.
We must look at the fruit itself, or in my example, the sound of the instrument, and decide what it is. I keep hearing "THEY this, THEY that", "Bush's Christian Crusade", blah blah blah, as if everyone who calls themselves "Christian" IS, in fact, Christian.

This is not true.

Wow, I actually agree with someone for a change - but I am not "christian". So does this mean that maybe saying you are a christian and being one are two different things?

Nobody should be surprised that people are angry at the commercialistic brain washing machine that has co-opted christianity. The things "the man" said and the things that have done since are two completely different roads. The blind continue to lead the blind. For those with eyes to see it is time to stand up and be counted. But remember words never mean what they seem and there is a world of difference between what most people say and do.

Originally posted by eyes2see

Eyes to See

The tree is known for the fruit it bears
Christianity's history up to this present day is replete with death and dishonor and perversion and perfidy.
Christians engage in war and land grabbing, genocide and distain any who do not follow theircorruption.
Hate the sin, but love the sinner.
The church's have used peoples good intentions for evil deeds.
Whats to like

I thought I'd respond to this one, seeing as it bears my name

You nailed it with the first sentence: "The tree is known for the fruit it bears." If someone is partaking in land-grabbing, genocide, disdain, etc., they're not very "Christian", are they? Sure, they can say they are, but again, a tree is known by its fruit. For instance, I'm a guitar player. I could go around telling everyone I'm a violinist, but my recordings, performances, etc. would clearly show I'm a guitarist, despite what I claim.
We must look at the fruit itself, or in my example, the sound of the instrument, and decide what it is. I keep hearing "THEY this, THEY that", "Bush's Christian Crusade", blah blah blah, as if everyone who calls themselves "Christian" IS, in fact, Christian.

This is not true.

Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Hit me with chapter and verse if you can.

...no, that's not the point in this thread and i won't let you derail it.

Originally posted by emjoi
Why?
Mainly it's the acoustic guitar and folks songs praising Jesus.
I lived in a house full of Born Agains who had regular sessions of that stuff.
And now, I just can't handle it anymore. My stomach churns at the memory.
Need to listen to Scandinavian Death Metal as an antidote.

ROFL... you have my sympathies.

I don't exactly hate Christians in general, but I cannot stand fundementalists with their "you are with us or against us" mentality. I detest the inability for them to consider another person's POV. If you don't believe, you are gonna burn, and are scum, according to them. Also, they believe it is IMPOSSIBLE for someone to not 'have god' and be a good upstanding person.

Which is just total bollocks, I'm afraid.

I am also concerned by the lack of ability to think for themselves that many Christians have... it is very alarming.

Originally posted by Terran Blue
I detest the inability for them to consider another person's POV.

Regardless of misunderstanding Christian beliefs (in your assessment of how we feel about those who are not Christian, how we're called to feel about those who are not Christian in the Bible), I suppose the question the quoted statement warrants is, do you see the irony in that statement?

Originally posted by junglejake
Regardless of misunderstanding Christian beliefs (in your assessment of how we feel about those who are not Christian, how we're called to feel about those who are not Christian in the Bible), I suppose the question the quoted statement warrants is, do you see the irony in that statement?

Whether it is how you are directed to feel or not, that is not the point. The fact is, Christians do exactly what I say on a regular basis. Then they have the audacity to bitch about not being listened to. Furthermore, another thing here comes to light: the assumption that atheists are talking about the 'directives', when I am clearly not talking about them. I am talking about how Christian Fundementalists act. Note also how I say Fundementalist... Are you a fundie JJ? Did what I say apply to you?

If by fundamentalist you mean (as is the definition) one who believes scripture is the inerrant word of God, then yes, I most certainly am. Do I believe the Bible and believe it to be authoritative? Again, yes. Do I believe that those not for God are against God? Yes (see 1 John for a detailed explanation). Do I believe that you can be good and not have Christ? By the very definition of "good" (in accordance with God's will), no (see Mark 10:18, Luke 18:19). Do I think those who do not have Christ are scum? By no means; I'm just one beggar trying to show another beggar where to find food, no better, and quite possibly worse. I am saved by grace, not by works, and I cannot boast in myself for my great accomplishments because they are naught.

My statement, though, was directed to this comment you made:

I detest the inability for them to consider another person's POV.

I read that as saying, "I detest those who don't think like me, someone embraces all points of view" which I found ironic and was asking if you saw the irony in the statement as well.

How about because of their stance on: "Sex, Drugs, and Rock & Roll"

-or-

Because of the concerted effort by many xians to make their belief system the law of the land, ie. abortions, school prayer/creationism, 10 commandments posted in public buildings, etc.

-BUT-

Hate is such an extreme word...

Some religious people see the world in a religious eye, everything is related to their religion in one way or another. There can be no exceptions, you are either with God/Christ or against God/Christ.

The fundamentalist and maybe even most of their believers secretly believe that all neutrals and bystanders will also go to hell because they have fail to seek god or do not believe in God.

Which portrays that almighty God deals in absolutes, in which some of the religious would answer "Who are we to question God or his judgements?"

If the religious are going around doing their own interpretation of what is God's will and judging other people or condeming them by what their religion tells them about others not of their religion.... What's there to like about them?

Are they not a little too Proud, Arrogant, Ignorant and feeling Holier than thou thinking that they have interpreted God's will correctly and that their religion is the one and only true path?

Maybe God is more forgiving and tolerant to other religions and neturals than they think, maybe most paths lead to God.

The real danger is becoming too proud and too close minded believeing everything in a religion without question.

Could the problem be in most religions themselves or is it a human problem, maybe Both?

Something most close minded believes would not contemplate, as it would be considered heresy or blasphemy to consider such ideas.

Originally posted by junglejake
I read that as saying, "I detest those who don't think like me, someone embraces all points of view" which I found ironic and was asking if you saw the irony in the statement as well.

Infortunately JJ, I feel you are reading too much into what I am saying. Read it rather, as I posted it, and don't turn it into something it isn't.