Idaho city’s ordinance tells pastors to marry gays or go to jail

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Secondly, no, the Bible is pretty clear on homosexuality.

Not the New Testament.

originally posted by: rationalconsumer
a reply to: MystikMushroom

I think that we've come to that conclusion already, but thanks for continuing to point out that my OP was erroneous.

What you actually have here, for the past 3 pages or so, are some homophobes spouting some really ridiculous absolutes and defenses of their right to discriminate. The OP is irrelevant.

What I see here is someone making a rash generalization of someone because their viewpoint might differ from someone elses.....

I know for a fact that a few of these people who came to defense of the Church have no issue with gay marriage at all in fact......

Your statement is more bigoted then anything they have said

We cant have opinions anymore in the US without being labeled with absolutes..........maybe its time to look at your own intolerance before placing them on people

And for the record, anyone can be an "ordained minister". I'm one, I got my ordination from the Universal Life Church. I can marry people, even gay people. It took like a minute to sign up and get my printable certificate. I did it years ago.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Secondly, no, the Bible is pretty clear on homosexuality.

Not the New Testament.

^^^this

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
And for the record, anyone can be an "ordained minister". I'm one, I got my ordination from the Universal Life Church. I can marry people, even gay people. It took like a minute to sign up and get my printable certificate. I did it years ago.

Yeah, $29.99 and you get all the forms that allow you to marry folks.

I thought "ordained minister" meant something until I saw that.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

If i ever got married you may just get a call from me

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs


Secondly, no, the Bible is pretty clear on homosexuality.

The Bible is pretty clear on a lot of things that people choose to ignore. Why are some topics such sticking points and others are treated as completely irrelevant?

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Secondly, no, the Bible is pretty clear on homosexuality.

Not the New Testament.

Yep, actually there are only SIX passages that deal with homosexuality in the Bible. Out of that entire huge book, it's only mentioned SIX times. It sure seems to me that if it was such an important point to make, it would have been made more clearly, and maybe a few more times?

Here's a good article about this...

There are 6 Scriptures about homosexuality in the Bible. Here's what they really say

I'd like some of the Biblical scholars here on ATS to take a peek and hear what they have to say.

originally posted by: Answer

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs


Secondly, no, the Bible is pretty clear on homosexuality.

The Bible is pretty clear on a lot of things that people choose to ignore. Why are some topics such sticking points and others are treated as completely irrelevant?

Bible text is an interpretation of man, written by man.

Who really knows what the original writings meant.

a reply to: Answer

Yeah the Universal Life Church used to do it for free (maybe they still do?) ... You can also get "ordained" by the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster as well. Heh heh. I was considering that one, I do enjoy wearing a colander on my head now and then.

a reply to: intrepid

Jesus said, and I quote, "I'm not here to change the laws, I'm here to enforce them"...

So the NT demiGod is actually pretty clear about it.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

^^^^^ this.

originally posted by: Darth_Prime
a reply to: MystikMushroom

If i ever got married you may just get a call from me

Come up here to Alaska and you could do one of these

My friend got married like that, the pilot was their witness and photographer.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

^^^^^ this.

Lol touche' old friend

a reply to: Answer

Id hazard a guess that the word you're looking for is inconsistency.

Noun or adjective.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: Answer

Yeah the Universal Life Church used to do it for free (maybe they still do?) ... You can also get "ordained" by the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster as well. Heh heh. I was considering that one, I do enjoy wearing a colander on my head now and then.

I'm not sure if it was ULC, but many years ago I submitted an application like that and they asked what the title would be. I put Grand Cyclops as a silly reference to the KKK, and they rejected my application for "not being serious enough."

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I thought he said that the OT was obsolete?

...the Old Covenantal system that involved such harsh punishments has been done away with. We are under a new covenant. Jesus said in Luke 22:20, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood."

This new covenant was prophecied in the Old Testament in Jer. 31:31, “Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah." It is referenced in 1 Cor. 11:25, 2 Cor. 3:6, Heb. 8:8, 9:15; and 12:24.

Source

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I do love snow and cold... i could be a Snow Queen!!

you might have just sold me on it

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I'd guess that would then refer to the House of Israel or Judah then.

Should we be using a broadbrush here?

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: intrepid

Jesus said, and I quote, "I'm not here to change the laws, I'm here to enforce them"...

So the NT demiGod is actually pretty clear about it.

Nope:

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

www.biblegateway.com...

He was referring to the promise of the Messiah. The laws of the OT were for the Jews.

Lewis explains it well: