First Person Dies of Measles in U.S. Since 2003

a reply to: hutch622

ask nicely and I'll try and go real slow...

originally posted by: notmyrealname
a reply to: hutch622
How do you catch something that is eradicated?

Internet?

Almost.

In the US, measles was all but gone until 2008.

Funnily enough, we had the likes of Oprah and Jenny Mcarthey bring the anti vaxxer rhetoric to the forefront of mainstream media in 2007.

Coincidence? Perhaps, but most anti vaxxer arguments are more tenuous than that..

Smallpox has been eradicated from the human population but still exists in other species such as rodents and bats. Immunization prevents smallpox from coming back into the human population, as well as many other nasty diseases.

a reply to: notmyrealname

ask nicely and I'll try and go real slow...

OK i will ask nicely , how was smallpox eradicated .

a reply to: GetHyped

I never said it was a source, it is a site where people can report side effects. I didn't make all those cases up, neither did they. Are you saying that the whole website is a scam?

And the cars are a very viable comparison. I knew since earliest childhood that measles can kill you if you are older or sickly. Vaccines won't stop you from getting measles but it helps having it less severe. Still people die. The same from absolutely everything, from chocking on chicken bones [17000 infants are hospitalised every year] to playing football, people sometimes die.

One death does not warrant to force every one else to suddenly adhere to outrageous safety measures.
I worked in pharmaceutical and food/household sciences and if ONE person had an allergic reaction to a product [lets say a skin cream], the product would be halted until the reason was found out as the lawsuits could be costly.
Shame that such measures are not taken when there are such obvious side effects from vaccines.

Forcing every single parent to inject diseases into a newborn baby because of ONE death is a very scary thing to do, whilst we only now starting to find out about all the negatives. By all means vaccinate the hell out of your own offspring but you can't FORCE others to do the same when there are far too many things that can affect someone for the rest of their lives.

Radium was also once hailed as not only harmless but positively healthy and a cure for cancer. It was put into drinks, creams and many pharmaceutical products.
There must have been people who may not have trusted this 'new' wonder drug but I am sure most were just like you and ate/drank/applied away, whilst feeling superior.

One day we will look back and wonder how gullible we all were with vaccinations.

I am NOT saying that vaccines are not useful in certain places, where the positive outweighs the negative [Africa for example] but c'mon "ONE measle death not a forceful vaccination excuse maketh".

a reply to: weirdguy

Yeah sure it does; I guess that is why it is really good to take your antibiotics everyday to make sure you don't get sick. Sure I know one is a virus and my comment is apples and pears however, how can you say that the vaccinations keep it at bay or that they just force the virus to get stronger?

a reply to: notmyrealname

ask nicely and I'll try and go real slow...

Waiting .

originally posted by: hutch622
a reply to: notmyrealname

ask nicely and I'll try and go real slow...

OK i will ask nicely , how was smallpox eradicated .

I believe it was the surveillance and containment strategy of Dr. Foege. Is that what you are advocating? It certainly does not sound like it. What it sounds like is panic speak and everyone must listen to me because the only way to eradicate the problem is to take the first and failed eradication method of an attempt at universal vaccination. Your point?

originally posted by: hutch622
a reply to: notmyrealname

ask nicely and I'll try and go real slow...

Waiting .

Do you have any idea how long I have been goofing around on ATS today, you are not my only discussion….please be patient with us older slower educated folks.

originally posted by: weirdguy
Smallpox has been eradicated from the human population but still exists in other species such as rodents and bats.

Source? Smallpox was easily eradicated because it doesn't have an animal reservoir.

Immunization prevents smallpox from coming back into the human population, as well as many other nasty diseases.

Very few people get vaccinated for smallpox in this day and age.

originally posted by: Hecate666
a reply to: GetHyped

I never said it was a source, it is a site where people can report side effects. I didn't make all those cases up, neither did they. Are you saying that the whole website is a scam?

I'm saying that anecdotes are not data, especially when one of the listed side-effects is turning into THe Incredible Hulk.

Would you trust a source that lists such a side effect? Does that source sound credible to you?

And the cars are a very viable comparison. I knew since earliest childhood that measles can kill you if you are older or sickly. Vaccines won't stop you from getting measles but it helps having it less severe. Still people die. The same from absolutely everything, from chocking on chicken bones [17000 infants are hospitalised every year] to playing football, people sometimes die.

Vaccines prevent entirely preventable diseases, much like seat belts, airbags and crumple zones prevent entirely preventable injuries.

One death does not warrant to force every one else to suddenly adhere to outrageous safety measures.

Herd immunity does. The deaths will only increase as more and more idiots stop vaccinating.

Your rights end where my rights begin. I have the right to drink. I have a licence to drive. I don't have the right to drink and drive.

I worked in pharmaceutical and food/household sciences and if ONE person had an allergic reaction to a product [lets say a skin cream], the product would be halted until the reason was found out as the lawsuits could be costly.
Shame that such measures are not taken when there are such obvious side effects from vaccines.

The number of injuries linked to vaccines is less than 1 in a million, and even then the cases are so rare that there isn't any solid causal link established.

Forcing every single parent to inject diseases into a newborn baby because of ONE death is a very scary thing to do, whilst we only now starting to find out about all the negatives. By all means vaccinate the hell out of your own offspring but you can't FORCE others to do the same when there are far too many things that can affect someone for the rest of their lives.

Yeah, measles is harmless, right?

Common complications
More common complications of measles include:
diarrhoea
vomiting
middle ear infection (otitis media), which can cause earache
eye infection (conjunctivitis)
inflammation of the voice box (laryngitis)
pneumonia, bronchitis and croup (infections of the airways and lungs)
fits caused by a fever (febrile seizures)
Uncommon complications
Less common complications of measles include:
liver infection (hepatitis)
misalignment of the eyes (squint), if the virus affects the nerves and muscles of the eye
infection of the membranes surrounding the brain and spinal cord (meningitis) and infection of the brain itself (encephalitis)
Rare complications
In rare cases, measles can lead to the following conditions:
serious eye disorders, such as an infection of the optic nerve (the nerve that transmits information from the eye to the brain), known as optic neuritis, which can lead to blindness
heart and nervous system problems
a fatal brain complication known as subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE), which can sometimes occur several years after measles – however, this is very rare, occurring in only one in every 25,000 cases of measles

www.nhs.uk...

Radium was also once hailed as not only harmless but positively healthy and a cure for cancer. It was put into drinks, creams and many pharmaceutical products.
There must have been people who may not have trusted this 'new' wonder drug but I am sure most were just like you and ate/drank/applied away, whilst feeling superior.

Vaccines have consistently been shown to be incredibly safe over a period of multiple generations so your point is moot.

One day we will look back and wonder how gullible we all were with vaccinations.

Correction: one day we will look back on how gullible anti-vaxxers were with their ignorant and dangerous beliefs.

a reply to: notmyrealname

[citation needed]

a reply to: notmyrealname

The good doctor devised the strategy behind the vaccination program that eliminated smallpox . Vaccinations did the work , yes the V word Without vaccinations you might have a face like this .



That is if you survived .

And i haven't got started on typhus yet . But hey vaccines dont work .

a reply to: Hecate666

Car accidents are NOT a viable comparison at all.

250 million registered motor vehicles in the US.
Thousands of car accidents every day

Unsurprisingly a high mortality rate.

Compared to a few hundred case on average per year of measles.

Even in the worse year, last year, there were only 668 cases of measles reported and no deaths.

There's a 1 in 1000 chance of a child dying from measles..but they have to catch it first, as the anti vaxxer rhetoric grows, so does the chances of catching measles.

a reply to: GetHyped

I had the measles and lived. In fact, it was a rite of passage as was chicken pox.

a reply to: LibertasIntel

It was a rite of passage for you??

Did people come to you and say "you have the sickness now you are a man"?

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: GetHyped

This isn't about pro-vax or anti-vax. This is a personal liberty issue and is about our rights to determine what we do with our own bodies. If people don't see the can of worms they open up when they cede the rights to their own body to government on this issue then they don't understand a damn thing about freedom and the right to self-determination. Government will use this as a precedence to force people into all kinds of other procedures in the future. It's what they do.

Have to agree.

I am incredibly Pro vaccination. Being a Micro/immunologist I can but only be one from years of work and experience.

BUT

I would never take freedom of choice away.
I think Anti Vaxxors are retards and incredible selfish and stupid. But its there right to be be so, not for me to dictate what someone injects into there bodies. If they die? Thats Darwinism.

originally posted by: notmyrealname
a reply to: hutch622
How do you catch something that is eradicated?

Internet?

A fat little Korean Dictator drops on you.

I agree with crazyewok and that Anti-Vaxxers are the most selfish and idiotic people. Not only are they compromising herd immunity in protecting our vulnerable (like NEWBORN BABIES) that are unable to be vaccinated but are directly contributing to, and exacerbating, the rise of antibiotic resistant diseases.

originally posted by: grimpachi
a reply to: LibertasIntel

It was a rite of passage for you??

Did people come to you and say "you have the sickness now you are a man"?

In fact I had the mumps too.