So which creation myth do you want taught in UK schools science classes?

a reply to: grainofsand

Pretty much. People get very uncomfortable when placed in a situation where they may have to question deeply held cultural beliefs (doesn't have to be religious), even if they question that belief to themselves in private. Religion can become a cultural identifier, it can become part of your personality, and it is extremely hard for most people to question themselves, to question their own perspective.

a reply to: Fer1527

Same for me fella, so we seem to agreecompletely.
Do you wish we disagree or something?
I don't.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: intrptr

All of them are guesses with no evidence to support them..
What is your point?

'No supporting evidence' is a subjective viewpoint. What do you suggest to tell them, life doesn't exist? Theres no proof?

You asked which "myth" to teach?

All of them. Let the kids figure it out for themselves.

a reply to: Syyth007

So what?
That is their problem, not mine.
If they make out their creation myth is true and have # all to support their claims then I will challenge it, every time.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: intrptr

All of them are guesses with no evidence to support them..
What is your point?

'No supporting evidence' is a subjective viewpoint. What do you suggest to tell them, life doesn't exist? Theres no proof?

You asked which "myth" to teach?

All of them. Let the kids figure it out for themselves.

Evidence is objective. Perhaps you missed that class?

a reply to: grainofsand

You, the one claiming no supporting evidence, not me.

All of them are guesses with no evidence to support them..

Thats subjective, narrow minded and end of the discussion for me.

I'm going bed, but I'm laying my head down disappointed that the US Christians have ignored this thread.
I would have enjoyed the debate as they are so passionate elsewhere.
See you tomorrow I guess lol.

a reply to: intrptr

What are you crying about?
If you have a creation myth you wish to defend then please feel free to do so.
This thread is about comparing conflicting creation myths. If you are confident with yours then its all good lol

Disappointed, the rabid Christians seem to have avoided this thread about who has the most believable creation theory or not.
Hopefully the Hopi or Hindu folk will present their arguments where the Christians have failed.
I'll check back tomorrow

a reply to: grainofsand

We could quite easily put them all into one story. They all say basically the same thing.

God aka (Aliens, Sky beings, Ant people), created us many years ago. Their was a great flood that killed all the evil people. After the flood each culture was placed where it is by God aka (Aliens, Sky beings, Ant people).

The stories are so identical that one only need to understand metaphors to put them all together.

a reply to: grainofsand

simulation theory

Aliens

pan dimensional tinkering entities

Human creation of artifical non organic life and eventual organic life

the big bang

Just to name a few

They don't teach it in church, so why should they teach it in school? Most churches like for people to
to hear about the prophets and Jesus. You know, people today who are not atheists have a great diversity
of belief; they don't just accept whatever doctrine. The churches that are gaining members don't have
creationism as a doctrine.
a reply to: grainofsand

You missed one out.

SimUniverse

Not only possible but plausible.

a reply to: grainofsand

You forgot to add the biggest myth of all: Evolution. Oh, and you accidentally put Christian on the list. Any science is man's attempt at understanding and explaining what God has created. Science is an awesome thing because of that. It helps open up our understanding to how our wonderful Creator thinks.

originally posted by: Isurrender73
The stories are so identical that one only need to understand metaphors to put them all together.

No they aren't, you obviously haven't read many. They differ wildly, as you would know if you had researched anything outside of the Abrahamic god myths.

originally posted by: jeramie
a reply to: grainofsand

You forgot to add the biggest myth of all: Evolution. Oh, and you accidentally put Christian on the list. Any science is man's attempt at understanding and explaining what God has created. Science is an awesome thing because of that. It helps open up our understanding to how our wonderful Creator thinks.

Evolution is a scientific theory. It is not a claim to describe creation of the universe.
Science is awesome because unlike religion it is honest and admits to not knowing all the answers.
...as I said in the OP though, this is a thread comparing creation myths with creation myths, not creation myths versus science.

I am making the point that anyone championing their particular creation myth needs to show how their myth is any more believable than any other from around the world.
ATS seems rammed full of Christians proclaiming their creation myth as true, so I ask is the Hindu Hiranyagarbha creation myth BS then? How about the Cherokee, Greek, or Zuni mythologies?

The key point here is that there is a myriad of stories aside from the Christian myths, so what exactly provides support to the Christian one over any others?
More people believe it so it must be true? That would be rather lame reasoning.

originally posted by: grainofsand

I am making the point that anyone championing their particular creation myth needs to show how their myth is any more believable than any other from around the world.
ATS seems rammed full of Christians proclaiming their creation myth as true, so I ask is the Hindu Hiranyagarbha creation myth BS then? How about the Cherokee, Greek, or Zuni mythologies?

I don't think they will ever answer you, I've asked the same so many times and none of the Christians have ever replied. I think this is due to the paradox of the question: if they answer yes, that other religions are also right, it would contradict the 'one god only' and 'one holy book only' idea...... if they answer no, that only Christianity is right and all other religions are non-sense, then they would have to explain why.... and there's no coherent way to do so.

a reply to: Agartha

I agree completely.
In many similar threads I've raised the same question, always ignored, including the "UK bans teaching of creationism in any school that receives public funding" topic where it seems only Christians are fighting to have their myth taught.
It is why I started this thread, a specific question regarding conflicting myths, not myths versus science.

The lack of response by passionate creationist Christians is rather telling though, so I am happy.

If creation myths are to be taught in UK schools as a history/social studies exercise then ALL need to be taught, not just the Christian version. They hold equal status in as much as none of them have a scrap of evidence to support them as true.

The snide, tounge in cheek insults against religion are rich in this topic. There is no factual evidence for the science creation theories either. It takes faith to believe in all aspects of the Big Bang and evolution just as much as any religion.

The difference is that most morally religious folks don't go seeking to put down others faith. Some do, but the atheist agenda sure does seem to have greater public numbers.

With that said, Universalism exists for a reason and allows people to swallow their pride, accept that maybe humanity and their sciences don't have all the answers, accept that maybe no one religion has it right, and recognize the similarities and ideas of all those creation myths are inherently the same. So, teach them all.

And teach people how to accept "I don't know" as an answer instead of forcing their need to know it all answers on the rest of a growing society.

originally posted by: TheNewRevolution
The snide, tounge in cheek insults against religion are rich in this topic.

Nope, I'm open with my ridicule for religion.

There is no factual evidence for the science creation theories either. It takes faith to believe in all aspects of the Big Bang and evolution just as much as any religion.

Nope, no faith required with science, just an understanding of the available evidence to support theories.
This thread is not about science though, it is about conflicting creation myths. Take your criticism of science elsewhere.

The difference is that most morally religious folks don't go seeking to put down others faith. Some do, but the atheist agenda sure does seem to have greater public numbers.

Either your faith is the truth and other faiths are not. How can you support the Sumerian creation myth if you are a rabid Christian? Only one can be right so by default the others can be ridiculed.

With that said, Universalism exists for a reason and allows people to swallow their pride,

What the hell is 'universalism' exactly? A mish-mash of conflicting faiths or something?

accept that maybe humanity and their sciences don't have all the answers,

I've always accepted that. Science has always accepted that, it's just religious types who invent woo-woo magic to fill the gaps in knowledge.

accept that maybe no one religion has it right, and recognize the similarities and ideas of all those creation myths are inherently the same. So, teach them all.

The wildly differing creation myths from around the world indicate that they are all just a load of BS. Why teach any when none of them have a scrap of evidence to support them?

And teach people how to accept "I don't know" as an answer instead of forcing their need to know it all answers on the rest of a growing society.

That is exactly what science teaches. We know some thing and have theories about others.
Religious types make out they know stuff but it is clearly BS as the Hindu Hiranyagarbha creation myth is vastly different to the Christian version. Why push any unverifiable story on our kids when the religions cannot even agree with each other? Lol, ridiculous.