The republic of Australia.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

AusFlag used to have all sorts of competitions for a new flag in the 1990's. I liked the ones that sought to be acceptable to all communities. One flag I liked included a reference to Uluru at the bottom:


And I liked another that used Aboriginal techniques to depict the Federation Star and the Southern Cross:


When you try to change the flag, about the only thing everyone will agree on is the Southern Cross.

And, by the way, the Queen should appoint Prince Harry as Governor General.

a reply to: Kapriti

I like those flags - quite a bit different to most around the world!

As for Queeny and Harry - she doesn't get to choose, that's down to the Aussie Parliament/Government and it has always been a native Aussie since 1965. Of course, if there was enough public support and you got your Government on board, he could become GG....

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
So why isn't Australia a independent republic yet?

Even back in 1999 (I was still 2 years to young to vote at the time) we had a referendum on whether Australia should be a republic and we voted 'no'. Even though the Queen of England clearly stated that it was time us Aussies stand on our own two feet.

The advocates who were against a republic used the slogan "if it's not broke, then why fix it"? A complete sell out, imo.

Why are Australian citizens to scared to become an independent nation? It's not like being apart of the commonwealth has any positive advantages. I mean, it's not like the pome's will back us up in a global crisis, they already proved there lack of loyalty during WWII. It was the Americans who proved loyal as a nation who would stand by us and help secure our border, when the s# hits the fan.

Anyway......... it just makes no sense that us Aussies aren't an independent country yet. We're like the 12th most wealthiest nation on earth and the 5th most wealthiest per capita by gdp (nominal). We are also within the top 5 producers of basically every major natural resource on earth.

So why won't we just man up already and become a completely independent nation?

We already have a perfectly appropriate flag.

Any Aussie who declines to show there support for Australia becoming a independent Republic, is just soft in the head, imo.

I'll start with the flag.
That will never be our flag. It's been hijacked by racists and fascists. The commies tried to adopt it as well, a red version instead of blue, but that got dropped quickly.
A far right fascist party called Australia First uses it as well. They are anti-multicultural, among other things. They've actually alligned them selves with Greece's far right Golden Dawn party.
Now that's kind of ironic considering Greeks are one of the biggest groups of immigrants to Australia, and form a large part of multicultural Australia..Australiafirst party is against multiculturalism.

Or is it a selective process who they are against?

They have some fair few points though. They are against globalization and are for economic protectionism. They are anti-zionist. And nationalists.

Now, given they are against multiculturalism, but have aligned with the Greek Golden Dawn party(which mind you has tried to establish it self in Australia, it's already setup shop in New York too), how would they feel if I, a first generation Australia born to Greek immigrant parents, applied for membership? Would they accept my membership as an equal, or would they reject it?

I'm all for shutting our borders to illegal immigrants. The only places that should get an easy way in is Europe and America/Canada/New Zealand. Provided of course individuals are not criminals.
We don't get any special treatement, in fact we get treated like second rate humans by the home countries of all these new migrants..so why should we show them any better treatement then they afford us in their countries?

Is Australiafirst party against the continued payments to Vietnamese people living in Australia over the Vietnam war?
Because I am. Being allowed to come to Australia and start a new life should have been enough payment and compensation.

Anyhow I've gone off topic.
The Eureka flag would be GREAT to use as our national flag. But I don't think it will be, even if we became a republic, because of the racist connotations associated with it these days.
Of course even if it was one day considered, it wouldn't happen because it's got a big white cross on it.
And you know how the left wing losers and muslim fanatics would react.
Unfortunately the left wing hippy do gooder tree hugger mentality has taken a firm hold in this country. It wont be long before gay marriage is legalized as well.


As for becoming a republic, long over due. Way over due in fact. Should have happened already.
Nothing against the UK, but the monarchy is about as relevant to Australia as sharia law.
If Prince Harry marries an Aussie girl, and their children(princes and princesses) marry Australian's, then perhaps then we can have our own Australian royal family. But unless that happens I don't see the relevance of the British monarchy anymore for Australia.

Becoming a republic though doesn't mean we cut ties with the UK and royals. We would still be part of the Commonwealth if we chose, and we'd still take part in the Commonwealth games.

If we become a republic we should simply replace our head of state with a President with largely ceremonial powers only. A president elected by the people.

To the people that think Australia (New Zealand and Canada) has sovereignty and the people have any rights basic-fraud.com...
This is proof of a massive conspiracy by well have a read of the website that is trying to fight this.

this is an excerpt from the link

It involves the British Parliament, a succession of British monarchs (including Elizabeth II), other members of the British royal family, British and Australian politicians and the Australian, British and European Courts. As should soon be evident, news stories rarely get any bigger, have as many consequences, or as many people working against the truth.
This is without doubt the greatest perpetrated fraud within our modern times, which has continued for decades and definitely will be one of, if not, the largest news & media story ever uncovered. The documented facts on our website will show how the corrupt past and present British and Australian politicians, the judicial systems of two countries, as well as the European Court of Human Rights, have deliberately lied, misled and manipulated the Australian people for their own personal financial gain, greed and political appointments.

a reply to: mortex

Hmmm......... Those Australian first gooses appear to be a very angry & conflicted bunch of fools. I mean, is there absolutely anything they don't hate?

Anyway, it means nothing to me if those ultra conservative nuts use the Eureka flag. The Eureka stockade movement doesn't, nor 'ever' has represented ultra conservatism! They just prove how feeble minded they are for even using it.

The Eureka flag represents the birth of the democratic process in Austraila, Work rights (a fair days pay for a hard days work), a fair Australia for all classes and standing up against corruption by TPTB. If anything, the Eureka flag represents the Ultra left movement.

My grandparents live in Ballarat (home of the Eureka rebellion), so I used to spend a lot of time there in the holidays as a kid. I still remember going to Sovereign Hill (and other historical places) and learning about how even the lower class can earn a decent wage in Australia, because of the gold miners who stood up to the authorities and fought for the workers rights.

So yeah, I find it extremely offensive that anyone would use the Eureka flag as some ultra conservative symbol.

Though, I do think it would be a good idea to have a flag that represents unity between the first (indigenous) Australians and the rest of us [immigrants] that came after.

originally posted by: stumason
a reply to: Kapriti

I like those flags - quite a bit different to most around the world!

As for Queeny and Harry - she doesn't get to choose, that's down to the Aussie Parliament/Government and it has always been a native Aussie since 1965. Of course, if there was enough public support and you got your Government on board, he could become GG....

The queen, and only the queen, has the power to appoint a new governor general. Our politicians merely suggest a potential candidate but have no real say in who gets the job.

Here's some food for thought for those people that think the monarchy doesn't hold any relevance, influence or sway over what happens in Australia.

The Governor-General is appointed by The Queen on the advice of the Prime Minister. After receiving the commission, the Governor-General takes an Oath of Allegiance and an Oath of Office to The Queen and issues a Proclamation assuming office.

The governor general swears allegiance to the queen. Not to Australia or it's people.

Governor general of the Commonwealth of Australia

And that is how a "democratically appointed" government was dismissed from government by the Queen and her Governor General only 40 years ago. We are not independent at all. No federal law is valid in Australia until it receives Royal Assent - the queen's sign-off.

I'm sure no English person would accept any other nation's flag to appear on their flag so should any other nation?

reply to: symphonyofblase

a reply to: Krusty the Klown

I'm sure no English person would accept any other nation's flag to appear on their flag so should any other nation?

Firstly it's " British " not " English"

Anyway moving on,the reason The Union Flag appears on the Australian Flag is pure and simple. Without Britain there would be no Australia as we know it today. It just reminds Aussies from where their countries foundations came from.

originally posted by: Krusty the Klown
I'm sure no English person would accept any other nation's flag to appear on their flag so should any other nation?

Why has the Hawaiian flag got the Union Jack on it?

Why has the Canadian flag got 2 men shouting at each other?

originally posted by: symphonyofblase
The queen, and only the queen, has the power to appoint a new governor general. Our politicians merely suggest a potential candidate but have no real say in who gets the job.

And when has she turned one down?

The reason the referendum for an Aussie republic failed is the proposed model was not what the majority of the public wanted to see. There was really only a superficial change proposed like simply renaming the governor general 'president' and the people had no input into who that toothless 'president' would be so the president would be holding tea parties at the lodge for visiting dignitaries and have little influence on national politics IE what I'd call a claytons president just for show and little else.

The people wanted to be able to vote for the new leader of their new republic and they were not going to get that.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: Krusty the Klown
Anyway moving on,the reason The Union Flag appears on the Australian Flag is pure and simple. Without Britain there would be no Australia as we know it today. It just reminds Aussies from where their countries foundations came from.

Canada and the US doesn't need to be reminded on their flag of their origins so why should I?

In fact if that's why I need it, does the UK flag have anything about its Roman history?

originally posted by: hellobruce

Why has the Hawaiian flag got the Union Jack on it?

Why has the Canadian flag got 2 men shouting at each other?

That is an issue for Hawaiian's, you'd probably have to ask one.

2 men shouting??? Not sure what you mean here......

a reply to: Krusty the Klown

Canada and the US doesn't need to be reminded on their flag of their origins

Well The U.S. Flag has 13 stripes that denote the 13 British Colonies. The flag is also Red, White and Blue supposedly taken from The British Union Flag.

If you're not happy with your flag then take it up with your government and get it changed like The Canadians did.

Don't whinge, start a petition.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
So why isn't Australia a independent republic yet?

Even back in 1999 (I was still 2 years to young to vote at the time) we had a referendum on whether Australia should be a republic and we voted 'no'. Even though the Queen of England clearly stated that it was time us Aussies stand on our own two feet.

The advocates who were against a republic used the slogan "if it's not broke, then why fix it"? A complete sell out, imo.

Why are Australian citizens to scared to become an independent nation? It's not like being apart of the commonwealth has any positive advantages. I mean, it's not like the pome's will back us up in a global crisis, they already proved there lack of loyalty during WWII. It was the Americans who proved loyal as a nation who would stand by us and help secure our border, when the s# hits the fan.

Anyway......... it just makes no sense that us Aussies aren't an independent country yet. We're like the 12th most wealthiest nation on earth and the 5th most wealthiest per capita by gdp (nominal). We are also within the top 5 producers of basically every major natural resource on earth.

So why won't we just man up already and become a completely independent nation?

We already have a perfectly appropriate flag.

Any Aussie who declines to show there support for Australia becoming a independent Republic, is just soft in the head, imo.

Australians are some of my most favorite people. Australia and the US have had each other's backs--all the time, every time--for over 100 years.

a reply to: alldaylong

So no Union Jack on their flags then?

Nobody's whinging, it's called discussing. And don't presume you know what I'm already doing or not doing.

Sounds like the words of a true Pom!

originally posted by: Krusty the Klown
a reply to: alldaylong

So no Union Jack on their flags then?

You may have forgot one small fact. The U.S. fought a war to become independent of The Crown. Australia hasn't.



When someone turns to personal insults, that's a sure sign they are loosing the argument.

originally posted by: alldaylong

originally posted by: Krusty the Klown
a reply to: alldaylong

You may have forgot one small fact. The U.S. fought a war to become independent of The Crown. Australia hasn't.


When someone turns to personal insults, that's a sure sign they are loosing the argument.

LOL, that wasn't hard to guess now was it??? And again, you may be arguing, I am discussing.

FYI about the word "pom" from Wikipedia:

The terms Pommy, Pommie and Pom, in Australia, South Africa and New Zealand usually denotes an English person (or, less commonly, people from other parts of the UK)

This is the equivalent of calling an American a "Yank" or a New Zealander a "Kiwi", if you are unsure of words try looking them up before you choose to be insulted by them.

No we haven't forgotten the US war of independence, we just prefer peaceful solutions.

As far as foreigners go I've only ever come across English people who oppose Australia becoming a republic and having its own flag. Scots, Irish and Welsh don't seem to have a problem with it or any other nationality.

Why is that?

a reply to: Krusty the Klown

As far as foreigners go I've only ever come across English people who oppose Australia becoming a republic and having its own flag. Scots, Irish and Welsh don't seem to have a problem with it or any other nationality. Why is that

Maybe you didn't read this, which i posted earlier in the thread.

Maybe the real question that should be asked is.......... "Do the Aborigines want everyone else to just go away and let them have their country back" ? Now that would be a really good idea and it would have my vote.