Obama has no “Legacy” to be proud of as president.

originally posted by: boymonkey74
a reply to: jrod

I got a feeling that whoever gets in next will be worse and people will look back at Obama and want him back.

Same as with Bill Clinton.

a reply to: Willtell

Obama has shrunk like a coward in the face of this onslaught from Isis.

So you see the preservation of American lives as cowardly?

With the exception of Rand Paul, all the Republican 'candidates' call for military action in the ME - most specifically Iraq.

So Lindsey Graham is your man Willtell. He wants 10,000 troops on the ground in Iraq ASAP.

Clinton will continue the 'no boots on the ground' promise.

But bear in mind, most elections are either won or lost based on domestic issues, so it will go with this one. We won't elect a President based on IS' actions in the ME.

a reply to: netbound

Thanks for taking the time and effort to construct and present your post in this thread! SPOT ON!

You really should reconsider the frequency in which you participate in political threads.

I'm well aware of the fact that these actual successes will never be conceded by the conservative right, but at least they can't say they weren't told.

Many of the progressive leaning members here on ATS, (myself included) need to step back from time to time, just to let the knots on our heads heal up.

Knots caused from repeatedly banging our heads against that wall of "Willful Ignorance" commonly referred to as the modern day right-wing conservative movement.

Sometimes, I begin to feel like it's a futile effort to try and wake these people up, but the other day I watched an interview on "All In with Chris Hayes" where he interviewed Jack Hunter, AKA "The Southern Avenger" that just blew me away.

Jack Hunter appears to have gone through a complete metamorphosis with respect to his previous pro white supremacist, southern militia mindset. He expressed absolute remorse and embarrassment for his previous stances on things like poverty, healthcare, race and equal rights.

Just when I thought it couldn't be done, someone like Jack Hunter steps up and renews my hope that it can. I guess it just goes to show that this "dome" the right uses to separate itself from reality can indeed be penetrated.

Anyway, thanks again for stepping in and presenting the actual facts.

a reply to: Willtell

Depends on whether you let memes do your thinking for you - or if you choose to think

The tally sheet will be interesting. Looking back over your shoulder is often a better way to see things

Though, I do understand that for some looking back won't be any different than looking at what's right in front of them. Looking isn't some people's strong suit

We're still sorting through the debris from Hurricane George...

Give it 15 years - it will be an interesting thing for us to discuss in the future

:-)

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

No I don’t like Lindsey Graham…he’s a neocon one of the scum bags who started this mess.



But people have to understand that like ones momma taught one...if you make a mess

YOU HAVE TO CLEAN IT UP!

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: ladyinwaiting

No I don’t like Lindsey Graham…he’s a neocon one of the scum bags who started this mess.



But people have to understand that like ones momma taught one...if you make a mess

YOU HAVE TO CLEAN IT UP!

I agree to a degree and we have spent billions trying to clean it up. Some people resist cleaning. Cleaning is fu-tile.

It's like throwing good money after bad, but in this case it's bodies. No can do, amigo.

To all you block thinkers… people who think in a pack mentality and think I’m an Obama hater because Im a right-winger


You’re wrong


Look at my Op’s I’m a independent progressive


You don’t understand REAL PROGRESSIVES know Obama for what he is


Also, I have given Obama credit when he does something decent like Cuba

But such acts are few

a reply to: Willtell

You don’t understand REAL PROGRESSIVES know Obama for what he is

:-)

A product of his times and a bit of flotsam in a strong current? Or, is he pure Jetsam now?

Good for you - for being a REAL progressive. Now that I'm put in my place - I think I'll take this moment to reemphasize that history has an interesting way of bringing things to the fore that were previously shoved to the back

I'll take Obama - even if nobody else will. Just offstage are a group a people that don't even offer us a glimmer of hope for anything new - not that that's entirely their fault

It's our fault - pretty much

Who you liking Willtell?

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

I'll take Obama - even if nobody else will. Just offstage are a group a people that don't even offer us a glimmer of hope for anything new - not that that's entirely their fault

Not entirely their fault because of the support from constituents? Or because they are mentally defective?

a reply to: ladyinwaiting
Both of those - and so much more

Honestly, every time we try to elect a new Prom King - I find myself asking: is this all there is? And if this is all there is, then let's keep dancing... :-)

300 plus million people - and we're looking seriously at Bobby Jindal? It's almost like this lineup of misfits is being paraded in front of us on purpose - to make Jeb look like the real (and only viable) deal

And Hillary - of course. That goes without saying. I know women where I live that look at her like the second coming

The problem is not with the candidates - it's the parties - and the machinery behind them. We elect people the same way we make movies - audience polling. We could turn this into a movie review thread - the results speak for themselves, and there's very little difference in the outcomes

I could go full blown TPTB in this thread and admit that corporations are running America now - but, I still like to pretend that I live someplace where people can vote and influence their future

:-)

Sorry lady - the SCOTUS high from yesterday is wearing off...

a reply to: Spiramirabilis

There is always something going on politically to take the wind out of one's sails.

Corporations..... number one. Maybe the millennia's will be able to conquer those growing monsters, since my generation permitted it to happen, and seem overall disinterested and detached from it, unless they are indeed being paid millions to sustain them, which most likely they are.

originally posted by: Willtell
To all you block thinkers… people who think in a pack mentality and think I’m an Obama hater because Im a right-winger


You’re wrong


Look at my Op’s I’m a independent progressive


You don’t understand REAL PROGRESSIVES know Obama for what he is


Also, I have given Obama credit when he does something decent like Cuba

But such acts are few

to me Obama is not a progressive, he barely a liberal, Bernie Saunders is a progressive...Obama hasn't done anything to stem Citizens United decision, he has pushed for the TPP, he has given lip service to income inequality(except for the Ledbetter act), he has done nothing to protect unions....

I'm judging the American people for stopping their president from doing anything really important and real.

He is one, you are 230 million selfish, self righteous people who wait for someone else to change your circumstance.

originally posted by: pilgrimOmega

I'm judging the American people for stopping their president from doing anything really important and real.

He is one, you are 230 million selfish, self righteous people who wait for someone else to change your circumstance.

Ugh. That's a chilling allegation, but I can't dispute it.

a reply to: Gothmog

Took him what , a week to decide? Wouldve taken me every bit of 3 minutes.

The problem was not making the 'kill decision'. The angst came in trying to verify his location.
You have to know that, you are just looking for something to criticize. Fail.

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

There is always something going on politically to take the wind out of one's sails.

I've seen enough

At this point I think I'll just try and keep my nose clean, go to the movies once in a while, put on some reggae, have some tamales and a cerveza or two - hope for the best

:-)

Good luck millennials - and God speed

(None of that is true, but it's true enough for today. A crisis of faith can seriously rearrange your priorities)

a reply to: jimmyx

I agree 100 percent with your post.

But he, as usual, pretended as a politician he would be progressive. So he's a ordinary liar.

And I condemn the so-called black leaders that have not called Obama to account just because he's black.

Now because of these racial incidents all he does is make speeches and it distracts from the fact that he has done nothing for the civil rights and urban plight...NOTHING

a reply to: ladyinwaiting

Lady Isis is another level of evil that the world will have to deal with sooner or later
www.abovetopsecret.com...

One day folks will say:
WillTell was right


Then it will be too late for a lot of innocent people who will have suffered because the so called “good” people sat on the sidelines and watched

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
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Jail the Bankers? Obama Has Been Their Staunchest Defender

The Obama administration is in a makeover frenzy, cosmetically cleaning up its corporatist act for the sake of the lame duck president’s legacy and endangered Democrats in Congress. Evils must be reapportioned in the public mind, so that the balance between lesser and greater abominations is perceived to tilt in the Democrats’ favor – a tough trick, given the beating the party’s base constituencies have taken since 2008 at the hands of the duopoly Dem-Rep tag-team. Historical revisionism is, thus, the order of the day.

Eric Holder, the U.S. Attorney General who successfully intervened in federal court to prevent the retroactive release of thousands of mostly Black prisoners convicted under the old 100-to-1 crack coc aine laws, now acts as point man for his boss’s program of charitable sentencing commutations. Obama’s compassionate mood-swing occurred at whiplash speed; in his first six years in office, he had granted fewer clemencies than any president since Dwight Eisenhower. Obama’s brazenly hypocritical and slap-dash new program “will not represent any significant or permanent change to the nation's universal policy of mass incarceration, mainly of poor black and brown youth,” as Bruce Dixon has written, but is designed purely to rehabilitate the president’s image among Black voters. With one empty gesture, the president’s record on criminal justice is revised.

Obama then takes his political theater troupe on a comedy tour. Attorney General Holder pretends to threaten Wall Street bankers with jail time – a notion so hilarious it should have had them rolling on the floor at the New York Stock Exchange. Jail the bankers? Obama has been their staunchest defender, the man who saved George Bush’s original bank bailout from defeat (weeks before the 2008 election), and has since configured the entire financial structure of the American State to the service of his most important constituents: Citigroup, JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, and Goldman Sachs. “My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks,” Obama reminded the banksters in his Oval Office, back in 2009. He has never failed them, presiding over the infusion of roughly $30 trillion (2011 figures) directly into their accounts or as guarantees of their business transactions – roughly twice the Gross Domestic Product of the United States. Ain’t that love?

“Barack Obama has a better chance of winding up behind bars than Dimon and his fellow oligarchs.”

Obama is exposed. He gets by through keeping the people ignorant of his real policies.


For example, he claims to be for immigrants but has deported more illegals than any president in recent history.

The above quote from a major black progressive blog illustrates that only the politically astute know what Obama is truly about.

a reply to: Flatfish
Thanks, Flatfish, for your kind words. I’m both flattered and undeserving of such praise, but still, thanks a lot. It lifted my spirits considerably. Actually, what I anticipated upon returning to this thread was an old fashioned greeting by a blood-thirsty lynchmob led by some guy called Billy Bob.

Anyway, my post didn’t really cover much; the list was just a short-list, and could have easily extended a mile or 2. Like you, I also get frustrated with all the “willful ignorance”, back-stabbing, witch hunting, outlandish lies, slanderous/racist attacks, greed, shameless and sociopathic behavior of our so-called “leaders”. Seriously, just think of how much progress could be made if our elected officials spent just 1/2 their time pursuing a positive agenda directed toward advancing our nation and improving the standard of living for it’s citizenry. But then, who am I kidding? That foolishness is for the movies and fairy tales. It has no place in Congress!

I think politicians these days are motivated by all the wrong things; eg. money, greed, power, status, etc. IMO, Obama has come closer than any other recent President to having an actual VISION. It seems to me that when we lost our vision as a nation a few generations back, handing over the reigns of power to Corporate America, we automatically turned in our badge as the leader of the Free World. It’s much harder these days, IMO, than it was in previous generations for people in general to take pride in being an American. Hell, for many it’s become a downright embarassment.

At times I have to ask myself, “Is this real? Or am I just having a very stupid dream? Did that fool on TV actually just say that? With a straight face?!!” I think most of these people are supposed to be reasonably well-educated. And yet I hear these obscenely ignorant sounds coming outta their mouths. Things they actually expect me to believe!! Things a chimpanzee wouldn’t even believe! But Hey, that’s politics. Tell a lie enough times, no matter how outrageous, and most folks will begin to believe it. We're a gullible bunch.

I know what you mean about getting an occassional flash of hope, though. Every now and then something comes along that gives you just enough encouragement to keep hanging on desperately by your battered and bleeding fingernails for just a little bit longer. Well, maybe I exaggerate a little But, yes, I know what you mean. Two steps forward, one back... And who knows? Maybe we’ll somehow navigate this maze of the absurd and make it through to a brighter tomorrow. Despite ourselves! That story about Jack Hunter was encouraging. Now, if he could do that, then John Boehner surely could find a better tanning salon. God, next thing you know Ted Cruz will actually propose a piece of legislation! Whoa! It is indeed a strange-ass world...

At any rate, thanks again, Flatfish. You’re too kind.

Keep the Faith, and let the good times roll!