Take Down the Fascist, Anti-Christian Gay-Pride Flag from Government Building!

a reply to: IAMTAT

Could this be a first? Something we agree on???

As regards the resistance to the Confederate flag coming down, you're right, but there's a lot of talk about the flag here today, and a lot of people thinking it should stay.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: WarminIndy
Laws aren't made at the police station or the US Armed Forces, but they are still part of the government.

Yes, but they do not HOUSE the legislature, where laws are made. If they want to fly the Confederate OR Rainbow flags, it's fine.

Yes, public schools are definitely government buildings, just like the post office.

They are owned by the government, yes, but they are not considered to be "Government Buildings", as no "governing" takes place there. There's a difference between "Government Buildings" and buildings owned and operated by the government.

While I get your points, they still are government facilities, and yes "government buildings." Police, schools, fire, all of it. For the same reason, we don't need the 10 Commandments (or something else such as the Rainbow Flag or Koran) being forced into any of those places. It fundamentally forces someone not represented by those to experience them in their tax paid government space/service.

So, counter to your point, the arguments about removing religion from schools would not be congruent with your argument, because schools are considered too "government" spaces. Separation of church and state. If we only define "state" to be buildings where laws are made, then it becomes too narrow.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: WarminIndy
Laws aren't made at the police station or the US Armed Forces, but they are still part of the government.

Yes, but they do not HOUSE the legislature, where laws are made. If they want to fly the Confederate OR Rainbow flags, it's fine.

Yes, public schools are definitely government buildings, just like the post office.

They are owned by the government, yes, but they are not considered to be "Government Buildings", as no "governing" takes place there. There's a difference between "Government Buildings" and buildings owned and operated by the government.

Not one single military base houses any legislature, not one single post office does either.

Absolutely they are government buildings, just like every American embassy and every military base overseas. There ARE three branches of government.

Judicial (Supreme Court), Legislative (Congress and Senate) and Executive (White House).

Also, every court house is judicial per state, county and city. City Hall is also Legislative, and the police and military are executive.

Public Schools fall under city, county and state ordinances, they are indeed government. Don't forget that cities, counties and states also have the three branches of government as well.

Every public school sits on city owned property, only private schools are privately owned and are on private land. State universities are also government, by the state, but private universities are not.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
While I get your points, they still are government facilities, and yes "government buildings."

I'm not arguing that they aren't government facilities. And you can call them "government buildings" if you want. But the controversy is about the flags being flown over buildings that house legislature, because they make the laws in there, and to show favoritism (to southerners or LGBT people) represents a conflict of interest.

Police, schools, fire, all of it. For the same reason, we don't need the 10 Commandments (or something else such as the Rainbow Flag or Koran) being forced into any of those places. It fundamentally forces someone not represented by those to experience them in their tax paid government space/service.

I agree with you, but that's not what the current controversy is about. It's about state capitol buildings.

And I'm done arguing semantics, Warmindy.

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: WarminIndy
Laws aren't made at the police station or the US Armed Forces, but they are still part of the government.

Yes, but they do not HOUSE the legislature, where laws are made. If they want to fly the Confederate OR Rainbow flags, it's fine.

Yes, public schools are definitely government buildings, just like the post office.

They are owned by the government, yes, but they are not considered to be "Government Buildings", as no "governing" takes place there. There's a difference between "Government Buildings" and buildings owned and operated by the government.

While I get your points, they still are government facilities, and yes "government buildings." Police, schools, fire, all of it. For the same reason, we don't need the 10 Commandments (or something else such as the Rainbow Flag or Koran) being forced into any of those places. It fundamentally forces someone not represented by those to experience them in their tax paid government space/service.

So, counter to your point, the arguments about removing religion from schools would not be congruent with your argument, because schools are considered too "government" spaces. Separation of church and state. If we only define "state" to be buildings where laws are made, then it becomes too narrow.

It does seem kind of confusing when it comes to public schools, because they have to fall under some branch of the government, I would say executive would be the branch. That makes the most sense to me.

Is this really the best the right can come up with, the rainbow flag behing fascist and all, just wow.

Y'know, over the past couple of days I've come to the conclusion that I just really don't give a flyin' [bleep].

A flag is going to do little to sway my opinion on matters of any importance. If the msm can't do it a flag certainly isn't going to.

Someone waving a rebel battle flag isn't going to suddenly turn me into a raving bigot.

Someone waving a LGBT flag isn't going to turn me gay, either.

I'm not a big fan of having them planted in fed/state buildings, but neither am I going to start crying.

Frankly, I've more important things to worry about in my day to day life. Finding a new job for starters.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
While I get your points, they still are government facilities, and yes "government buildings."

I'm not arguing that they aren't government facilities. And you can call them "government buildings" if you want. But the controversy is about the flags being flown over buildings that house legislature, because they make the laws in there, and to show favoritism (to southerners or LGBT people) represents a conflict of interest.

Police, schools, fire, all of it. For the same reason, we don't need the 10 Commandments (or something else such as the Rainbow Flag or Koran) being forced into any of those places. It fundamentally forces someone not represented by those to experience them in their tax paid government space/service.

I agree with you, but that's not what the current controversy is about. It's about state capitol buildings.

And I'm done arguing semantics, Warmindy.

It is not about semantics, because you use semantics, as Quetzlcoatl has shown also.

If you think public schools are not government organizations and buildings, then why not go ahead and fly the flag of Estonia and one with Noah's Ark on it?

Or let's go ahead and fly the flag of the White Knights USA on them, and then call it semantics.

a reply to: seagull

A-freaking-men.

It seems we're distracting ourselves from REAL issues and focusing on "things". We're not focusing on actual ways to help eliminate racism, but physical objects and "things".

I think it's because we can immediately do something about "things". We can ban them, box them up, burn them or destroy them. It's really not that hard to do.

Working to overcome generations of bigotry and racism? That's not quite so easy.

We live in an instant gratification world. If I want to watch a movie, I can Netflix it instantly. If I want something online, I can have it delivered the next day.

If we want to feel better about racism, we want instant satisfaction -- we want to feel better NOW! And focusing on removing/destroying physical things is a quick and easy way to get some kind of feel-good fix.

That's my .2

Looks like it's time to make all flags illegal. We all know how well making something illegal ends it use.

The only flags that should be flying at any and all government buildings/institutions is the Flag of the United States of America. End of story.

Over which government buildings in the US is this flag flying? I haven't seen it anywhere and there's no examples cited.

My mother just got pissed because and in her words "Someone must not have liked our (U.S.A) flag out front being all faded and left us a new one. EFF those flag snobs I should hang some other flag." At this point I suggested the rainbow flag, she laughed and said "yeah I should" then she thought a second longer and said "You know what your right I really should but I don't think your father would go for that".

LMAO people and their flags.

I think it's pathetic that people ascribe so much power to symbols.

originally posted by: roadgravel
Looks like it's time to make all flags illegal. We all know how well making something illegal ends it use.

Someone pointed that out on the radio this morning. Prior to this, most people didn't have a battle flag and really didn't think much about them. Now, there are going to be a lot more of them in the South basically as a giant middle finger because once again the rest of the country assumes the entire region is racist and bigoted and is sticking their nose in someone else's business over it.

It's like the Gadsden. We never had one until we heard that DHS was suggesting that anyone with one was possibly a dangerous right wing radical. Then, well we got one because WTF?!

I like the Gadsden. Much cooler than the flag we went with. Glad we didn't go with 'ol Ben Franklin and the turkey though.

a reply to: ketsuko

originally posted by: Lurker1
I think it's pathetic that people ascribe so much power to symbols.

It's sort of a product of how our language operates. Language, being symbolic itself, means we tend to ascribe a lot of power and emotion and mental baggage to our symbols no matter what they are.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Why the hell should the gay flag fly on government buildings....

they have infiltrated our whole society shoved their propaganda down our throats and in schools.


Rip that flag off the buildings and save it for gay pride day (a day to celebrate what exactly?)

originally posted by: projectbane
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Why the hell should the gay flag fly on government buildings....

It shouldn't. I said that in the OP. No flag, but for a state flag and the US flag should.

they have infiltrated our whole society shoved their propaganda down our throats and in schools.

Sounds exactly like what religion has done... We live in a society of people with differing opinions. Everyone does a little propaganda shoving now and then...

Rip that flag off the buildings and save it for gay pride day (a day to celebrate what exactly?)

Any individual or public establishment should be permitted to fly any flag they wish. That's freedom. What does it celebrate? Why diversity, of course. History of the Rainbow Flag

I guess this about sums it up: