Take Down the Fascist, Anti-Christian Gay-Pride Flag from Government Building!

a reply to: WarminIndy

Actually no Cinco de Mayo is not. It is the celebration of victory in the Battle of Pueblo, not Mexican Independence Day. Mexicans barely mark Cinco de Mayo except in the province where the battle was fought. We have latched on to it and Americanized it as a day to drink margaritas and eat Tex Mex, and our Latino population has turned it into their own thing.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: ketsuko

I'm not calling it a Christian symbol. It is a racist flag. I'm just stating that it wouldn't be surprising or a stretch that some Christians stood behind the flag proudly at one time or another. Look at the KKK. They are a Christian organization that happily waves the Confederate flag in addition to their own.

Don't forget that the South has also the distinction of being the Bible Belt of America.

Do you know that New England is also a Bible Belt?

Let's see, New England is Congregational Christian and the result of Puritanism AND the Great Revivals of the 19th Century. The Southern states are just more vocal.

It's like people don't even know the history of the United States.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: WarminIndy

Actually no Cinco de Mayo is not. It is the celebration of victory in the Battle of Pueblo, not Mexican Independence Day. Mexicans barely mark Cinco de Mayo except in the province where the battle was fought. We have latched on to it and Americanized it as a day to drink margaritas and eat Tex Mex, and our Latino population has turned it into their own thing.

They have told me this as they celebrated it.....

But to be fair, every immigrant group needs to be represented because this is a country of immigrants. But since the Native Americans were here first, why did they have to wait almost 20 years AFTER Black History Month to get Native American month in November?

Yes, let's celebrate every immigrant group at the national level, that way we are being fair.

List of Independence Days

Trinidad and Tobago's is in August, we can eat shrimp and do the limbo all day, that sounds pretty fun also.

a reply to: WarminIndy

Majority of the Bible Belt is in the South.

Bible Belt

Sorry, South East.

The plain ole American Flag is supposed to represent ALL of us. All these other superfluous flags can go wave on somebody's front lawn or clubhouse if they wish.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: WarminIndy

Majority of the Bible Belt is in the South.

Bible Belt

Sorry, South East.

Not the only one though which is the point.

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: WarminIndy

Majority of the Bible Belt is in the South.

Bible Belt

Sorry, South East.

They only call it that because they don't realize how much religion is in the rest of the country, when in fact Pennsylvania actually began as a Christian state...it was founded by William Penn, a Quaker, for the purpose of religious freedom, but as a Christian state.

Rhode Island was founded by Roger Williams, a Baptist.

a reply to: WarminIndy

No it isn't. New England may have started out as highly Christian and Puritanical, but it became VERY different by the time Massachusetts became a state. Namely because Boston became a major import hub, and thus saw a lot of immigrants who WEREN'T Puritan.

When Did “Puritan New England” Die Out?

It’s always interesting to me how long a lifespan people assign to “Puritan New England”. Of course, there are two kinds of “Puritan” being described: the days of the Puritan colonies and a set of behaviors that people who were not Puritans describe as “puritanism”. People tend to describe New England society as Puritan from 1620 to about 1950—a much longer span than is warranted by fact. The real lifespan of Puritan New England is 1630 to about 1720.

We say 1630 because the Pilgrims who arrived in North America in 1620 were not Puritans (see here for more on that); it was the group who arrived in 1630 who began Puritan colonization. The colonies founded by these Puritans were based on the religious practice of Congregationalism, and this meant three things that are the main characteristics of Puritan New England: 1) the colonies thrived on and required religious homogeneity; 2) a proto-democratic political system was necessary to protect the unique society created in America; and thus 3) the colonists devoted themselves to evading direct rule from England in order to maintain that political system. For as long as these three characteristics were unchallenged, Puritan New England existed.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Not only this, the thing that trips me out about people who defend the confederate flag is that it is the flag of an act of treason against the Federal government. Justifying the flag is justifying treason, not heritage. Heritage is the US constitution, Bill of Rights and the founding fathers. It's weird, some of the same people who deify the pledge of allegiance (down to every word including the added in "under God" added in the 50's) which states ONE NATION also defend the confederate flag which was an act of treason dividing the ONE NATION. It's basically saying that the South's secession that caused the Civil War wasn't a mistake, and that the flag of the traitors should be honored.

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: WarminIndy

Majority of the Bible Belt is in the South.

Bible Belt

Sorry, South East.

They only call it that because they don't realize how much religion is in the rest of the country, when in fact Pennsylvania actually began as a Christian state...it was founded by William Penn, a Quaker, for the purpose of religious freedom, but as a Christian state.

Rhode Island was founded by Roger Williams, a Baptist.

That isn't what makes up a Bible Belt state. FYI, just about EVERY one of the 13 original colonies were started by Christians (since that is the only religion Europe exported in those days). The only exception was Georgia, which was started as a penal colony. Though I wouldn't be surprised if the people who founded it were Christian as well.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: WarminIndy

Majority of the Bible Belt is in the South.

Bible Belt

Sorry, South East.

Not the only one though which is the point.

I think they only equate Christianity with evangelicals.....

Congregational Christians and the Presbyterians must be in another country, maybe in Canada and they get New England confused with New Brunswick, maybe that's the problem.

a reply to: AudioOne

I've pointed this out in several threads now and have largely been ignored on it. I guess it is too inconvenient to admit that you are supporting treason.

originally posted by: grey580
One is a flag of hatred and oppression.

The other is a flag of a movement for freedom from hatred and oppression.

The confederate flag is seen by many as a flag of hatred and oppression. Others see it as a symbol of Southern Pride and Heritage. Regardless what I think (I agree with you), some people see it one way, others see it another.

Same with the Rainbow flag. Many Christians see it as a flag of hatred and oppression (of Christianity). Others see it as a symbol of Gay Pride. Some people see it one way, others see it another.

I'm not saying the flags represent the same thing, I'm saying NEITHER should be flown on buildings of government legislation.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: WarminIndy

originally posted by: MonkeyFishFrog
a reply to: WarminIndy

Majority of the Bible Belt is in the South.

Bible Belt

Sorry, South East.

They only call it that because they don't realize how much religion is in the rest of the country, when in fact Pennsylvania actually began as a Christian state...it was founded by William Penn, a Quaker, for the purpose of religious freedom, but as a Christian state.

Rhode Island was founded by Roger Williams, a Baptist.

That isn't what makes up a Bible Belt state. FYI, just about EVERY one of the 13 original colonies were started by Christians (since that is the only religion Europe exported in those days). The only exception was Georgia, which was started as a penal colony. Though I wouldn't be surprised if the people who founded it were Christian as well.

Church of England was in the South, Puritans were in the North.

Then in 1620 they started importing a lot of Huguenots into Virginia, even though Huguenots were also in New York.

The Moravians were in North Carolina, the Mennonites were in Pennsylvania, now all over the country. I have ancestry of a lot of different religious groups, but surprisingly none in the last 400 years were Catholic.

Flags cannot be racist.

Flags cannot be gay.

Symbols.

a reply to: AudioOne

And the US was started by an act of treason against the British Crown. Basically, the US has a history of rebellion, and the battle flag is a part of that heritage, even if it is a rebellion against Old Glory.

a reply to: WarminIndy

The point is that the Bible Belt isn't determined by the religious makeup of the colonies in the mid-1700's. It is determined by the religious beliefs of the religious right which was formed in the 1930's and 1940's as a direct response by business interests to combat Socialism.

originally posted by: Chrisfishenstein
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Completely agree! If it isn't a state flag, I don't see the reason it should be flying really....Taking any of the argument out of who, what, where, why....It shouldn't matter really...If it doesn't have to do with the state flag in some way it shouldn't be there...IMO of course! But I agree with your post!

Just like Islamic State was created, all these gays are trying to push for a Gay State IMO

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic

originally posted by: grey580
One is a flag of hatred and oppression.

The other is a flag of a movement for freedom from hatred and oppression.

The confederate flag is seen by many as a flag of hatred and oppression. Others see it as a symbol of Southern Pride and Heritage. Regardless what I think (I agree with you), some people see it one way, others see it another.

Same with the Rainbow flag. Many Christians see it as a flag of hatred and oppression (of Christianity). Others see it as a symbol of Gay Pride. Some people see it one way, others see it another.

I'm not saying the flags represent the same thing, I'm saying NEITHER should be flown on buildings of government legislation.

Christians see the gay pride flag as oppression of Christians?

I'm Christian and don't think that, it's just that if they want to wave their flag, do it at their parades, fly it on their lawns, hang it up in their restaurants, just don't fly it from government buildings or over schools, because schools are government buildings.

The only groups that should not be forced to are Native American tribes that are sovereign and should only do that at the discretion of their own voting members and the Bureau of Indian Affairs. But I think even they do as well fly the United States flag.

I am not sure of the treaties they have with the United States in regard to the flag.

originally posted by: AudioOne
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Not only this, the thing that trips me out about people who defend the confederate flag is that it is the flag of an act of treason against the Federal government. Justifying the flag is justifying treason, not heritage. Heritage is the US constitution, Bill of Rights and the founding fathers. It's weird, some of the same people who deify the pledge of allegiance (down to every word including the added in "under God" added in the 50's) which states ONE NATION also defend the confederate flag which was an act of treason dividing the ONE NATION. It's basically saying that the South's secession that caused the Civil War wasn't a mistake, and that the flag of the traitors should be honored.

Yes, this is the number one reason it shouldn't be allowed on public grounds, beyond the very big reason that it also has become synonymous with slavery in the old South.