Confederate Flag Ban: At last after 150 years in the path for the civil rights fight?

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: BlackboxInquiry

...People can't see things except from their own perspectives, which is a shame, and a huge problem in today's world, across ALL facets of society (politics, social constructs, business world, religion, etc).

I agree with you about "people can't see things except from their own perspectives." How truly funny, yet incredibly ironic that statement actually is

The pendulum has swung so far the opposite way, it's disturbing. People who mention it, are criticized, mocked and called names like 'bigot'. I'm wholly convinced those who go rabid and chant that, really don't understand the definition of the word - because by acting that way, they themselves are becoming the very same thing they accuse others of.

The difference is now, today everyone knows better, yet still do it. Shame.

Great post, thanks for sharing your take, view and opinion. Noted and appreciated.

Typical idiots Americans. Yes...I am American, just not an idiot. A racist, evil, monster killed a bunch of black people in a church. FRY HIM! SKIN HIM! I'm all for it. But what do we do...we point at a flag, ban it, stop selling it on Amazon, start changing the names of places...etc. What the HELL does that fix??? It doesn't change anyone's mind, anyone's history or anyone's racism (as little that actually exists).

Do you know why we didn't go into Nazi Germany and pull down their flags and just go home? Because if you don't fix or get rid of the people that are evil, you have fixed nothing. Ban the KKK outfit...nothing happens. Ban Islamic flags...nothing changes. Ban the ISIS flag...still nothing.

Such stupidity...such a waste of time, energy, money...for absolutely nothing. The Confederate flag will continue and may even become a martyr of this idiocy. And what next? Ban every Lynyrd Skynyrd album...some have a Confederate flag. How about painted guitars, many country style bars, attack pickup trucks and rip down their stickers...yeah...go for it.

Are we really...really this stupid? Are we really this petty and ignorant of the problems where we can do nothing but put a bandaid on the symptom and pretend we did something wonderful?

a reply to: WeAreAWAKE

All the confederate flag banning nonsense looks a lot like a distraction from the real issues of America and an attempt at throwing blame at something inane.

Distraction tactics instead of looking at how a left wing victim culture and selective erosion of identity has caused a lot of Americans questioning their belonging and a burden of guilt for things in which they never played a part.

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

Left-wing victim culture?

Please explain.

a reply to: Liquesence

You have heard of victim culture surely?



www.standard.co.uk...

The spread of a victim culture now means that more than seven out of ten people claim they are oppressed.
Huge chunks of the population have been racing to join the ranks of the officially disadvantaged, a report found.

Belonging to a victim group means the opportunity of financial gain and promotion at work, and the chance to denounce enemies to police or in the courts.

The ranks of those given special rights because of their victimhood have now swelled so that they outnumber their alleged oppressors.

The analysis by criminologist Dr David Green said that Government recognised victim groups now

But Dr Green said victim culture had now become so popular that, if the claims of some victim groups are taken seriously, there are more victims than people in the country.

He said this is because of 'multiple discrimination', in which some people are said to be victims on more than one count.

So gay lobby group Stonewall, for example, says that a black gay man experiences prejudice from blacks because he is gay, from gays because he is black, as well as racism and homophobia from everyone else.

On this reckoning, the number of victims amounts to 109 per cent of the population, Dr Green said.

In his report, We're (Nearly) All Victims Now, published by the Civitas think tank, he said: 'The political-recognised victim status described by this list of isms and phobias has begun to do lasting harm to our liberal culture.'

'Groups who have been politically recognised as victims are starting to use their power to silence people who have had the cheek to criticise them.'

Dr Green added: 'Modern victim groups create entrenched social divisions by defining opponents as oppressors who not only must be defeated by the state, but silenced by the state.'

He cited the term Islamophobia as a word intended to demonise opponents. 'The pseudo-psychiatric term Islamophobia is a statement that any criticism of Muslims is evidence of clinical pathology,' Dr Green said.

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Have you ever stopped to wonder why 40% of people don't bother to vote anymore? Have you ever stopped to wonder why, which ever party is in power, nothing ever gets any better? Have you ever stopped to wonder why all the three major political parties in the UK have broadly the same policies? The answer is simple - political correctness. This left wing ideology has very cleverly, and by stealth, replaced British politics. The PC Brigade effectively hold a gun to the head of political parties - none of the main parties now dare suggest any policy that is not politically correct otherwise the PC Brigade will label them the 'nasty' party. Witness the Conservative party policy U turns. In a desperate effort to lose their 'nasty' party label they have become Blue Labour, a slightly diluted form of New Labour!

So we now have the three main parties all occupying the same small piece of 'centre ground'. Many people don't vote on the grounds that it is pointless - you will get the same whoever wins. Some people don't vote because they realise that politically correct policies are what has got us into this mess in the first place.

Other people don't vote because they realise that career politicians are a self seeking, corrupt bunch of freeloaders who they wouldn't trust to run their whelk stall while they were on holiday. Notice that I say career politicians - this is the new breed of politicians that haven't ever entered the real world of work. They have left school, gone to university and then blagged a job as a 'research assistant' to a MP before realising that with most of our laws now made abroad, the job was such a well paid doddle that they could do it themselves. They have never had to hold down a proper job, they have no management or other skills, hold no real political views and tend to migrate to whichever party looks most likely to win power. To survive in this fantasy environment all you need to do is to be politically correct. You can read more about this, the political parties and how the New Labour ministers got there under Politicians/ Parties on the navigation bar.

So what is political correctness, how did it start and how did it become so successful? Political correctness is first and foremost an attack on free speech, clear thinking and discussion. Political correctness is perpetrated by the left in politics as a cover for their flawed ideology - a sort of cultural Marxism. By cloaking their strange ideas under the cover of not wishing to offend anyone (which naturally appeals to peoples' better nature), they try to bypass debate and give a 'received wisdom' which must not be questioned. And anyone who disagrees with this 'received wisdom' must therefore be a really nasty person and deserves to be ostracised by their peers. This peer pressure is instrumental in enforcing and expanding political correctness.

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

I have heard of victim culture, yes.

A) Not sure how "left-wing" has ANY relevance, and
B) I'm not watching a video.

Please explain the LEFT-WING part of your statement.

ETA: I see the title of the video is "left wing political correctness by an Ex-KGB officer." How very convenient.

Because if you're talking solely about THAT, while ignoring the right-wing culture of victimization, that's even more sadly ironic.

And a shame

What was the name of that killer?

All the flag talk has buried it.

No point researching anything brother. Did you watch that episode of "East bound and down' where Danny McBride rocks up near a black couple on the beach with his body board, which has a confederate flag on it, with a cannabis leaf in the middle. He says to them "nice tan, I'm hopping to get one like that this summer" (paraphrasing).

It's an hilarious joke for a tv show. But its also undeniable proof that even the people of South Carolina, know full well that the Confederate flag represents racism.

So, you are going to determine what the people in South Caroline think because you watched a stupid show on TV??

OMG! That's one of the stupidest things I have ever heard in my life. Have you ever actually talked to anybody in South Carolina and asked the what they think? Probably not! Jeez, you are an idiot moron to actually believe that a TV show is proof of anything,

a reply to: Liquesence

Left wing political correctness has caused a victim mentality and essentially prevented debate. Just like you are doing now, because I mentioned left wing but not right wing, you got offended. Go read my posts on ATS recently and you will see that a moderator is offended at the use of the word white ethnicity but not of black ethnicity.

The sort of people that take offense at anything that is not their point of view, the people that can't stand freedom of speech and thought.

The sort of people that don't believe in ethnicity of any sort, or the existence of race, or of any human variation of any sort, all the things that societies need to talk about, they refuse to even acknowledge the existence of.

www.nytimes.com...

FOR the last week, liberal journalists have been furiously debating whether a new political correctness has swept over the American left. The instigator of this argument was New York magazine’s Jonathan Chait, normally a scourge of Republicans, whose essay on what he dubbed “the new P.C.” critiqued left-wing activists for their zeal to play language cop, shout down arguments and shut down debate outright.

It will surprise absolutely nobody that I think the phenomenon that Chait describes is real. But I come not to judge but to explain — because whether you like or loathe the “P.C.” label, the rise of a more assertive cultural left is clearly one of the defining features of the later Obama years. This assertiveness is palpable among younger activists, on campus and online; it’s visible in controversy after controversy, from Ferguson to campus rape. And it’s interesting to think about exactly where it’s coming from.

a reply to: The angel of light

LMAO! I see you believe what the Fascist northern Government taught you. I have ancestors going back a long way in the South of this country and it was the Democrats in the North who fought tooth and nail to keep slavery in place until they needed the Black people to help them fight.

The truth is most black people who worked in the south were treated like members of the family on the southern plantations and the Civil war was not about Slavery or black people AT ALL. Getting rid of the Confederate flag is a disgrace to our men and women who fought and died to stop a Tyrannical government, you know, the kind we have now!

Just wait and watch how fast that flag is flying again, EXCEPT this time it will be flying all the way to Maine! Southern values are 100 times more respectful than the Liberal God hating scum who run our Government. The Union Generals were War Criminals and burned so much factual historical documents in their effort to hide the fact that those in the South were 100 percent justified for wanting to cede from the Union and that they were against SLAVERY.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
What was the name of that killer?

All the flag talk has buried it.

I get it.

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

I'm not offended.

I just find it unsurprisingly ironic that you put the blame on "liberal culture" while conveniently ignoring the same on the right.

So, left wing political correctness has caused this? It's caused the victim mentality whereby there is a "war on Christmas," and a "war of christianity" in America, and how there's a "war on traditional marriage."

I try to see things from all perspectives, and when people argue or make biased and partisan points—like you're appearing to do—that's when I take issue. Blame goes on both sides; but instead of acknowledging that you conveniently lay it on the left then claim your point is vindicated when others remark that your argument is one-sided.

You talk about being open and not laying blame on one side or the other yet that's exactly what you're doing.

If you cared about honest debate, you would know that fault lies on both sides, and you would address it as such and not make it into a partisan issue.

This is kinda ironic,

the Democrat Party owns the Confederate flag. The Confederacy was Democrats. The ancestors, the heirs of the Confederacy were Democrats. The governors, the police chiefs, the segregationists were all Democrats. The Confederacy was Democrats, it was the Democrat Party.

Abraham Lincoln was the father of the Republican Party. It was the party of the North. Fritz Hollings, a Democrat governor, hoisted the Confederate flag in South Carolina. Everything to do with the Confederacy the Democrat Party owns lock, stock, and barrel. They gave it to us. Bill Clinton signed all kinds of proclamations. Hillary Clinton did proudly appear with caricatures and replicas of the Confederate flag, and people are finding these and they're posting them all over Twitter. It isn't gonna matter because nobody in the media where the low-information people go that confers authority is gonna give the Clintons any grief over it. Because it's not the target, it's not the reason.

Russ L.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

They will deny until the cows come home.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

Yes conservative democrats, it has been shown over ans over again that those of that day would not align with the ones of today.

a reply to: Liquesence

Political correctness is the cause of lack of debate, it is a left wing thing. It has caused a ban on free speech and thought and stifled true communication.

Also stop making things up that I didn't say.

Your example of being offended at a point of view that isn't centre and blameless is exactly the kind of victim mentality that all the quotes mention. Then you did just as all the quotes show, accusing those that offer a point of view not to your liking as being offensive.

originally posted by: beezzer

originally posted by: scubagravy
a reply to: The angel of light

Are they trying to erase history for future generations ?

Nope.

They're "white-washing" it.

If the News media and the president would stop poking the Black and White Bears in The ass with
a pointed stick.
There wouldn't be as many irritated people.

Ebay is banning it I say good on them.

I think it needs banning period.

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

You imply a lot of things, so no one is putting words in your mouth because you're not clear, you're only quoting talking points.

It would help if you'd answer direct questions (which is the point of debate), but you won't.

So, go ahead and blame it all on the liberals if it makes you feel better with yourself.

a reply to: Liquesence

It is an informed observation not an emotional stance.

That's another thing the politically correct left does, tries turning everything into an emotional issue.

It isn't a point of ''blaming liberals'' it is a point of realising that governments have been instrumental in denying people a voice with which to debate as they have taken most subjects that need debating off the table due to denial of their existence because some might be offended.