Confederate Flag Ban: At last after 150 years in the path for the civil rights fight?

a reply to: Sunwolf

No. I ain't breaking on this one. Redskins? Fine. Not this one, no way. Until this brouhaha nobody cared and let us face facts, Reid is a total and complete idiot. Always has been, always will. Why he wants to piss off everyone in Las Vegas is beyond me and if he hadn't said anything no one would have known. I'm a lifelong resident and I DIDN'T KNOW!!

I always thought it was some reference to wild west rebels or some such. Never really thought about it. Since the winners created this state to get votes to win the 1864 presidency, we have Battle Born on our flag. The UNLV moniker gives tribute to us as well, the losers. We are all Americans, right? We were before and we are after. Being from Nevada, I actually have no stake in this ridiculous fight. I'm neither North nor South. I don't have a side.

Your post was in jest, I realize, but I am tired of trying to rewrite history. Changing the team name from Bullets to Wizards in D.C. sure didn't make anything different, did it? It's still full of fools...well, I'll leave it at that. I almost got ahead of myself and posted bad thoughts.

No, no and NO!!!

The only flag anyone should be flying is a coiled snake.

Don't tread...

There was a thread about this last night that isn't there now so must have been removed.

My opinion from the UK is that the confederate flag wasn't about slavery to start with it was about the civil war so making it about slavery now is silly.

America erasing it's history and taking away things that bond people with a sense of belonging isn't a good idea. Infringements on people's emotional need to feel part of a culture whilst repressing them is only ever going to result in them getting angry. America is like a simmering pot right now. People being told how to think and barraged with propaganda is worsening it for all. To most the confederate flag is not about racism or slavery it is a link to their cultural heritage as Americans, taking that away is just denying reality and would surely result in more resentment.

It seems like the US is a nation isolated from reality by propaganda and rhetoric, all that you are ''either that or that'' extreme way of thinking (or non thinking) is counterproductive.

America as observed from the rest of the world is a messed up place.

a reply to: seasoul

I am thankful it isn't only me that sees that.

All these things conveniently resulting in eroding reality, history, identity and a sense of belonging in the US is all too obvious to the unblinkered and those not under the propaganda spell of America.

a reply to: theabsolutetruth

Once upon a time I would have argued that...

Seems like we have raced to be the crazy people since 2001.

I really am ar a loss...

Sure let's pretend this about being politically correct. Let's pretend that the confederate flag wasn't an issue before the Church shooting. Let's pretend that the flag represents states rights.

That flag wasn't flown on any government grounds after the civil war until the civil rights movement began. The entire reason it flies at the SC capitol was to tell black people they would never be equal... the very thing included in all Declarations of Secession.

The flag is not banned, will never be banned. No flag can be banned in the US. I don't think anyone petitioned or threatened boycott of retailers that were selling that flag either. It doesn't belong flying at government buildings, it wasn't forgotten history before the civil rights movement why would it be now?

If you feel it's wrong for retailers to stop selling it, take it up with them.

a reply to: Kali74

Your painting the ruling class position as the position of all that own that flag...Past and present.

Just because a politician says something today, during the Civil rights Era, or the civil war does not make that position absolute across the board.

originally posted by: dreamingawake

originally posted by: queenofswords
There is definitely a wave moving across the country regarding this. There is now discussions about changing park names, street names, schools, mascots, etc....anything with the name Robert E. Lee or Jefferson Davis.

Confederate president Jefferson Davis is memorialized in the South through myriad monuments and statues. He's inside the Capitol's marbled Statuary Hall. His "White House" is open to tourists in Richmond. And there's a highway in South Carolina named for him.

But at a press conference on Tuesday, in the midst of a national debate over the propriety of Confederate images, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell identified one place where Davis shouldn't be: the Capitol building in his home state of Kentucky.

A statue of Davis stands alongside former President Abraham Lincoln—his Civil War adversary—and other Kentucky-born leaders. After last week's deadly shooting at a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina, images emerged of the suspected gunman's affinity for the Confederate flag, spurring debate over whether the Confederate symbol should be represented on state property.

According to reporters at the news conference, McConnell said that a "more appropriate" location for the Davis statue would be a state museum.

www.nationaljournal.com...

Also Tuesday, Minority Leader Harry Reid said the mascot and nickname of the University of Nevada, Las Vegas—the Runnin' Rebels—should be reconsidered by the school's Board of Regents. The school is well aware of its branding's ties to the Confederacy.

Besides the above and retailers, there's calls to remove busts, memorials, etc also.

How about Stone Mountain, GA?

It's privately owned.
I used to go there quite a bit since it was about ten minutes from my house. It always amazed me to see all of the buses full of black kids under that giant bas relief of Davis, Jackson, and Lee. I doubt the owners will cave.

a reply to: The angel of light

Removing and banning the symbols of tyranny doesn't change the hearts
and minds of those who oppress others.

Seeing as, going from the sublime to the ridiculous is becoming the norm on ats. How would Americans feel if a new neighbour erected a big swasticka flag in their lawn. They are proud of their German history and the technological advances of the third reich?

a reply to: Sremmos80

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: Sremmos80

But you can probably buy commie flags at walmart.

I've seen skin heads with there entire utes sporting that Confederate flag as there paint work, in the northern suburbs of Melbourne.

You can debate it all you want, but it won't change the fact that most people in the US and around the world, consider the confederate flag as a symbol of white people being somehow superior to other races.

This just struck me as very true and why I associate the confederate flag very heavily with racism, all the neo nazis/white supremacist skin heads in OZ use the confederate flag, no on else. A bell just rang in my head. Thanks for the reminder.

Nobody banned the confederate flag. More right wing lies again and more right wing zealots who can't read. Did you ever wonder why the righties hate teachers and professors and constantly go on about "liberal" schools. Professors tend to be liberals because are educated. (That's edumicated for you Sarah Palin fans)

How about they ask for the 'pen' to be banned! The 'pen' has caused more devastation and destruction. Why isn't the 'pen' symbolized as a tool of hate or terror?

For those that do not understand what I'm saying, the 'pen' has been used to sign documents of war authorizing destruction of nations which has terrorized the innocent people of those nations when soldiers and tanks are moving down their streets. It was the 'pen' that documented the inventory of equipment used to cause destruction and terror.

So, how about they symbolize the 'pen' as a tool for hate, for destruction, for terrorism? The 'pen' and the 'gun' are the same tool, they both can kill, so why don't they ban it too? Sounds silly right? Well, it is! Just like banning a piece of cloth with colors on it, or a statue of a person, because they have been labeled as hate by society. Is society always right? Will banning those symbols really change anything? No! People need to change, people need to unite and be kind to each other, but the human spirit of aggression doesn't allow everyone to be kind to each other.

a reply to: the owlbear

Not any more, the State of Georgia owns it.

a reply to: The angel of light

Angel of light the light shines through your op


I imagine to those people who now want to put this symbol of darkness where it belongs it’s better late than never…sadly though it took 9 lives for them to see the obvious and simple reality of the evil of this symbol.

a reply to: The angel of light

I've only read it's been taken down in that one location - not that there is a ban on it in any way.

Removing said flag (while I could care less about it one way or other other, except on the dukes of hazzard car, that's cool, lol) - would do absolutely *nothing* to combat racism. Nothing.

People don't look to that flag and think racial thoughts of hatred....at least I don't. It was merely a flag on a car on a tv show I enjoyed as a kid.

Banned flag, lol. Not that I've read...

originally posted by: 200Plus
a reply to: olaru12

I don't want to ban the flag either.

I doubt some of Lincoln's more racist verbiage will ever see a history book either though.

Should the Union flag be lowered and burned as well?

My college level history class taught me that not only was Lincoln NOT trying to free any slaves when he was elected but when he did, he only freed the slaves in the south. Which for all intents and purposes at the time was a separate country, so he really didn't do anything.