My Final Thoughts on Gun Control

I think the point I'm making is being lost in a digital translation...


@beezzer & augustus...

You may be in a list, you may not...

But I'm not talking about some left wingers desperate attempts at painting who the enemy is...
I'm talking about the power players who can make a gun grab look like a civil war...
I'm talking about a real list sanctioned by those who control the global cabal...

I hope this outside perspective sinks into the minds instead of coming across as a sour Brit involving himself in an American "problem"...



@John

I hope you're right John.
Honestly.

I just do think it's worth considering a worst case scenario in case my tinfoil ideas are actually feasible...

What would your concerns be with what I said above about water shortage, different gangs, organisations and militia all in it for themselves...

What about the power players allies abroad like MOSSAD/MI6/NATO...

Don't you think that it's best to keep doing what you've already done...

Which is out debate the opposition and hold up the constitution...


Because like I said, not to fearmonger, all of this is being noted...
All the outspoken are being watched...
And some already find themselves on a list...


As much as I hope you're right about military minds awakened.
It's always worth looking at other militaries, government, Intel services & of course corporations & banks that have a heavily vested interest in the status quo.



Maybe I'm not conveying what I mean well enough.
I'm not talking about a gun grab, I'm talking about a gun grab disguised as a civil war.
It is coming from a good place though.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

I'm talking about the power players who can make a gun grab look like a civil war...

If there is a 'gun grab' it will not look like a civil war, it will be a civil war.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
I think the point I'm making is being lost in a digital translation...


@beezzer & augustus...

You may be in a list, you may not...

But I'm not talking about some left wingers desperate attempts at painting who the enemy is...
I'm talking about the power players who can make a gun grab look like a civil war...
I'm talking about a real list sanctioned by those who control the global cabal...

I hope this outside perspective sinks into the minds instead of coming across as a sour Brit involving himself in an American "problem"...



@John

I hope you're right John.
Honestly.

I just do think it's worth considering a worst case scenario in case my tinfoil ideas are actually feasible...

What would your concerns be with what I said above about water shortage, different gangs, organisations and militia all in it for themselves...

What about the power players allies abroad like MOSSAD/MI6/NATO...

Don't you think that it's best to keep doing what you've already done...

Which is out debate the opposition and hold up the constitution...


Because like I said, not to fearmonger, all of this is being noted...
All the outspoken are being watched...
And some already find themselves on a list...


As much as I hope you're right about military minds awakened.
It's always worth looking at other militaries, government, Intel services & of course corporations & banks that have a heavily vested interest in the status quo.



Maybe I'm not conveying what I mean well enough.
I'm not talking about a gun grab, I'm talking about a gun grab disguised as a civil war.
It is coming from a good place though.

This is a global problem Charlie!

Look at Greece! You guys that are part of the EU should be on egg shells come Monday! Do you know why the US has been allowed to accrue so much debt?

Our military!

They are being used as the enforcers of this global mafia, there fore as long as they are useful for the end game, the debt will pile on.

If Greece had a military with the strength of the US do you think the IMF would be threatening them as they are?

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: Cuervo

originally posted by: seeker1963

I will gladly give my weapon over to any Progressive that feels so unsafe and so convinced in their belief that THEY are willing to show their conviction by putting THEIR LIFE on the line! *wink*

It sounds like your saying that you'd hand your weapon over to any police officer who asked for it.

Just phrasing my words in a manner to as not be construed at being a domestic terrorist......But still abiding by the Constitution, which I already realize has put me on the SPLC terrorist watch list?

Sad day America when talking about the Constitution means walking on egg shells?

I read it a couple more times. I get it now.

As far as the actual topic goes, I'm of the mind that an actual "gun grab" scenario will never happen. It would be open war with no winners. Slight tightening on control bit-by-bit? Yeah, they'll do that but never a situation where they just go take your guns from you.

And, if you are wondering, I support the 2nd amendment. Our lands are saturated with firearms and making them illegal won't really help much in a practical way. I haven't really had the opportunity to vote on a measure involving gun control but, if I did, I'd lean towards the 2nd.

So you can count on a few "progressives" to have your back when it comes to the 2nd amendment. I'm not the lone liberal with this kind of thinking.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

I'm talking about the power players who can make a gun grab look like a civil war...

If there is a 'gun grab' it will not look like a civil war, it will be a civil war.

And that's a slippery slope...IMO

Civil wars are different nowadays and there are too many factions for it to ever have a good ending.
Syria & the Ukraine are a prime example.
It's not outside forces being fought its 1001 different factions within the borders.

If it's known to be a gun grab it can be all for one and one for all...
If it's a civil war?


It doesn't bare thinking about with the size of your population.

a reply to: seeker1963

Precisely why I'm suggesting what I am seeker...

Sun Tsu philosophies are what will defeat that...


Otherwise it's regular people with lives and families to protect against NATO and whoever else decides to get involved...


The U.S. population is too large for it to just play out on American soil...


Out debate them...
They're already outgunned...

The gutless gun grabbers are counting on a collective itchy trigger finger.

Brains over braun.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Just something to add. . .

Any government "criminal"" enough to violate the Constitution would be no friend of any allied country. We'd have your back, but the criminal government wouldn't.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Charlie: I applaud you for sticking to your guns.

You knew what you were going to get when you commented in this thread and you've stuck to your line. And you've been completely civil the entire time (not that anybody really hasn't been, I'm just saying). I don't agree with you, but the manner in which you've presented your opinion bears admiration.

Since you "stick to your guns" so well, perhaps you should join us?

Anyway, well done.

Still wrong though

a reply to: Cuervo

I think I know why you might identify with the Progressives, but you and I chatted way before that! I know damn well you believe in the Constitution and I will love you as a brother/sister as long as you believe in freedom!

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

Civil wars are different nowadays and there are too many factions for it to ever have a good ending.

The only ending it would have is one were the politicians lose heart and mindshare as they always do.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: seeker1963

Precisely why I'm suggesting what I am seeker...

Sun Tsu philosophies are what will defeat that...


Otherwise it's regular people with lives and families to protect against NATO and whoever else decides to get involved...


The U.S. population is too large for it to just play out on American soil...


Out debate them...
They're already outgunned...

The gutless gun grabbers are counting on a collective itchy trigger finger.

Brains over braun.

Charlie! Question?

"Why are riots in the streets in the name of "Racism" acceptable, but when the Constitution and taking our country back from a corrupt government, which is a lawful act, is looked down upon?"

a reply to: beezzer

You're absolutely right.

I guess I'm just looking how big the bigger picture could be...

A civil war in the U.S, however it's provoked, is of global concern...



The world can stand by while Syria & the Ukraine burn to the ground...
That won't affect anything on a global scale except their own economies and growth.

Europe, Israel, Saudi Arabia, India, Japan, even Russia & China cannot and would not sit back if that happened in the States...


The more I think about it, the more an American civil war sounds like a kick off to WW3.

The amount of governments, corps, banks & militaries with vested interest is undeniable.



I know it seems I've drifted from a gun grab, but the butterfly affect on this topic is just too grand to ignore.

a reply to: Shamrock6

Thanks Shamrock, it's been fun.

It's been hard to keep up, I should have been more clear in my initial post, but it's such a powerful subject I expected no less than a thorough debate.


I'd love to join you all...
Not just to fight for justice and Liberty...

But so I could say a few things I feel would help that I'll never put on the matrix of the Internet...
I guess the best I can do is put things between the lines.

originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs

I know it seems I've drifted from a gun grab, but the butterfly affect on this topic is just too grand to ignore.

That's why it would be in everyone's best interests if they just honored their oaths to the Constitution.

a reply to: seeker1963

Divide & Conquer for the first...

An extreme phobia of anything but the zeitgeist for the banking/corporate cartels for the second...


IMO.

a reply to: beezzer

Absolutely, but with that you're expecting the far left to use rational thought...

I don't think they realise how dangerous they are compared to the far right in the States.



By U.S. Political stance, I'm much closer to the right than I am in comparison to UK politics.
As each day goes by the U.S. far left becomes more engulfed in lunacy.


This personal responsibility lark should be more prominent in 2015.

originally posted by: projectvxn
my right to keep and bear arms. For my security, that of my family, and extended to my fellow citizens.

I take it then you either keep your gun/s in your hand/s and cocked at all times, ready to fire at the slightest zephyr -or- you're confident you're a modern day Doc Holiday and can out-draw any potential armed assailant... and can "dodge bullets", à la The Matrix's 'Neo' (in instances where them knaves shoot first). Amirite?

*extremelyretardedface.psd*

a reply to: AlexJowls

I take it you're anti gun and believe that the govt/police can always protect you.
There are those of us who believe the protection of ourselves and our loved ones are not the responsibility of others, it is our's and we take that responsibility very seriously. Make fun of us, call us names, label us as "gun nuts"....but at the end of the day, we will not be the ones screaming in to the phone, pleading for help that will not come till it is far too late. We may go down, but we will By God go down fighting.

I completely agree with you! As my avatar portrays, I am a firm supporter of the right to bear arms.

I am not going to get into the arguments on this thread. Some of the more experienced members are handily taking care of that.

a reply to: projectvxn

Brother, I'm with ya 100%. EVERYTIME there is some nut or terrorist kills people, it's automatically the gun's fault. NO, it's the shooter fault. Whatever the reason, a person MUST aim and pull the trigger. A gun cannot aim and fire itself, it takes a human to kill someone. It is my thought that, after thousands of years killing has become human nature whether it's Defensive or Aggressive........My final 2 cents on the subject.